Teachers pay is a disgrace.

[LongAce]

Complaining about a teacher's starting salary arranging in the high 20's and low 30's is something I can't agree with. Getting a degree that pays more such as CS or EE is a heck lot harder then getting a degree in education. Also, they don?t get the nice benefits and the summers off. I do have to say that they don?t get the respect that they should but the lower pay is something they have to trade off for the stability and great benefits. Besides, it?s a government job, If government employees get paid more, then we would complain even more.

 

[eflat]

Lets pay surgeons $30k a year too. They are way overpaid and I would much rather have a $30k idiot slicing me up who loves his job than a 200k surgeon who knows what he is doing but only does it for the money. Better pay = more competition = better quality

 

[LongAce]

Less qualify surgeons then there are teachers. Surgeons have more education then teachers. Teacher = 30K. Surgeons > 30K.

 

[eflat]

Trust me if you have completed ten years of school and are a board certified surgeon you are pretty well qualified.

 

[LongAce]

"Less qualify surgeons" = not as many people are qualify as surgeons then they're are as being a teacher.

 

[herkulease]

tell the administrators to take a pay cut. Atleast when I was in high school and still today I do not know what the hell they do to justify a 6 figure salary. we had 3 vice principals for about 2000 students total.

That's the same for universities too. Screw paying the president six to 7 figures. and then go make budget cuts and raise tuition.

 

[BamBam215]

anyone who keeps using that 3 months summer vacation don't know half of what they are talking about. in other professions, you work from 8-5pm but when you get home, you don't have to worry about jacksh!t. when you're a teacher, you get off at 3pm and still work your ass off at night making lesson plans and contacting parents. anyone who says you shouldn't have to take your work home or you're being inefficient if you have to take your work home don't know jacksquat about teaching.

on top of that, the liability is humongous. you are responsible for the welfare of 20-30 kids 6 hrs a day. in other professions, you just need to watch your own ass.

 

[Sachmho]

I only read the top 2/3 of this page, but I feel its quite necessary to point out that a $200k house is not really realistic in many areas. I know down here in southern california such a find would be rare and be in utter shambles. Even in less polarized areas though, $200k for a house won't get you much at all.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: BamBam215
anyone who keeps using that 3 months summer vacation don't know half of what they are talking about. in other professions, you work from 8-5pm but when you get home, you don't have to worry about jacksh!t. when you're a teacher, you get off at 3pm and still work your ass off at night making lesson plans and contacting parents. anyone who says you shouldn't have to take your work home or you're being inefficient if you have to take your work home don't know jacksquat about teaching.

on top of that, the liability is humongous. you are responsible for the welfare of 20-30 kids 6 hrs a day. in other professions, you just need to watch your own ass.

That is such BS. Any decent white collar job requires some sort of learning curve for the first few months where you put in some OT to put in a good first impression. Its only 8/9-5 if there aren't any deadlines and in most cases its not like you only work on one project at a time (unless its really big).

as for liability, if you make management you have to be on top of what your people are doing, because if the project fails, it has your name on it.

 

[vegetation]

Originally posted by: LongAce
"Less qualify surgeons" = not as many people are qualify as surgeons then they're are as being a teacher.

Heck, not many physicians are even qualified to be practicing surgeons.

 

[LongAce]

Originally posted by: vegetation

Originally posted by: LongAce
"Less qualify surgeons" = not as many people are qualify as surgeons then they're are as being a teacher.

Heck, not many physicians are even qualified to be practicing surgeons.

And not all teachers are quailified to teach.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

I am a college student and for the amount of work I see most of my professors do they deserve minimum wage. Alot of my professors just read the slides verbatim that are provided with the text book then test us using the questions from the book publishers. I know I can do that and I am pretty sure a trained monkey could also.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: BamBam215
anyone who keeps using that 3 months summer vacation don't know half of what they are talking about. in other professions, you work from 8-5pm but when you get home, you don't have to worry about jacksh!t. when you're a teacher, you get off at 3pm and still work your ass off at night making lesson plans and contacting parents. anyone who says you shouldn't have to take your work home or you're being inefficient if you have to take your work home don't know jacksquat about teaching.

on top of that, the liability is humongous. you are responsible for the welfare of 20-30 kids 6 hrs a day. in other professions, you just need to watch your own ass.

Never had a real job I take it.

All of my professional life I never got to go home at 5:00 and never got a nickel's overtime.

And worry-- you bet I worried. The bottom line was king and you make your projection or out you go. I could go on forever but I'll leave the rest of it to the other professionals.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
I am a college student and for the amount of work I see most of my professors do they deserve minimum wage. Alot of my professors just read the slides verbatim that are provided with the text book then test us using the questions from the book publishers. I know I can do that and I am pretty sure a trained monkey could also.

yawn... I guess you could do a better job then your professors.

:laugh:

 

[BamBam215]

and how much do you make at your job w/ all that extra work? 25-40k? or is it more?

 

[BamBam215]

yes any management type jobs have great liabilities. that is why managers get paid way above what the people under them make. why is it any different for teachers who have such great liabilities to make so little?

 

[gotsmack]

not even management, you can be an accountant and they work your ass off around tax time and to off set it they just give you some extra time off during the off season.


If you're in consulting it's even worse. You work crazy hours to impress clients and your bonus sucks unless you make partner. If you figure the hours put in vs pay, you would make more working at a McJob.

I worked in procurement for a little bit before I decided to do an MBA full time. I hear stories like this all the time from my fellow classmates. The smartest experienced people always have the best horror stories.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: BamBam215
anyone who keeps using that 3 months summer vacation don't know half of what they are talking about. in other professions, you work from 8-5pm but when you get home, you don't have to worry about jacksh!t. when you're a teacher, you get off at 3pm and still work your ass off at night making lesson plans and contacting parents. anyone who says you shouldn't have to take your work home or you're being inefficient if you have to take your work home don't know jacksquat about teaching.

on top of that, the liability is humongous. you are responsible for the welfare of 20-30 kids 6 hrs a day. in other professions, you just need to watch your own ass.

Obviously, you don't know half of what you're talking about. Try working in the real world for a few years and get back to us.
You're telling us that, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, a teacher has to "work their ass off" "making lesson plans" and "contacting parents"?
What a steaming load of horse crap. You think that teachers don't recycle lesson plans from year to year? Of course they do. If you are a teacher that has to spend that much time at home working, then of course you are grossly inefficient. There is no other way to put it.
But in reality, there really aren't any teachers that have to work every night doing those types of things.
Sure, around exam time, or mid-terms, they might have to take some tests home to grade, but this is not an everyday thing. There are plenty of days that most teachers walk out the door less than 30 minutes after the students do, and any teacher who says this isn't true is lying.
Go to any school every day for a week and walk around it 30 minutes after the students leave....and tell me how many teachers you can find. Not many.
And what's this "contacting parents" crap? How many teachers do that, and why would they need to do it on a regular basis? Maybe a special ed teacher, or a teacher for troublemakers would, but your regular, run-of-the-mill teacher certainly doesn't do this.
And even if you were right, which you aren't, you STILL only do it 185 days a year, so you still don't work as many hours as someone with a regular job.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: herkulease
tell the administrators to take a pay cut. Atleast when I was in high school and still today I do not know what the hell they do to justify a 6 figure salary. we had 3 vice principals for about 2000 students total.

That's the same for universities too. Screw paying the president six to 7 figures. and then go make budget cuts and raise tuition.

Agreed. Our local school district recently built themselves a nice shiny new administrative building....which they absolutely did not need. They simply wanted it.
Now, it seem that every year they want to raise our property tax for new school construction.
Our system seems to be very top-heavy, as do many others around the country.

 

[DPG0wnz]

My gf is studying to become a teacher here in Houston, Texas.

Am I missing something, or is there no reason to get a Masters if you want to teach? In this particular district, you only make $1,000 less with a Bachelor degree.

http://www.pasadenaisd.org/personnel/teacherschedule.PDF


Edit: It seems that teachers are paid fairly. In my example, a new teacher makes $193/day.


Edit 2: It looks like that Master degree could come in handy if you want to specialize in a particular area. For example, my gf could make $50,000+(She wants to teach an ESL program that is very important in this area because of the amount of Mexican immigrants.).

http://www.pasadenaisd.org/personnel/adminschedule.PDF

 

[nageov3t]

I'm fine with paying teachers a crap salary, just don't complain when your kids go to public school and recieve a crap education.

 

[BatmanNate]

Honestly, starting at least at 36k per year on the West coast like you mentioned really isn't too bad for a fulfilling job with the summer off.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

I am breaking my ass studying accounting in college and is a difficult major so why should someone with an education degree which is easy as hell to get make as much as me? If starting salary for a teacher is around 36k then they are only like 5k below what a starting accountant would be with just a bachelors degree. I think the teachers get payed very fairly.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
I am breaking my ass studying accounting in college and is a difficult major so why should someone with an education degree which is easy as hell to get make as much as me? If starting salary for a teacher is around 36k then they are only like 5k below what a starting accountant would be with just a bachelors degree. I think the teachers get payed very fairly.

...Perhaps they should get paid more because they are the ones educating and essentially raising the next generation of citizens?

Don't forget those numbers (assuming they are even correct) for educators' salaries are based on how much the districts can afford, and they are AVERAGES.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
I am breaking my ass studying accounting in college and is a difficult major so why should someone with an education degree which is easy as hell to get make as much as me? If starting salary for a teacher is around 36k then they are only like 5k below what a starting accountant would be with just a bachelors degree. I think the teachers get payed very fairly.

Not to mention the fact that you will work a lot more hours than your average teacher. Assuming you get on with a major firm that is.