It has:
But either way, it's welcome news. I liked how Ryan Shrout was reaching out to Reddit community. Reddit doesn't like him though, because he doesn't give AMD a reacharound.
It has:I don't think this has been posted here yet.
But either way, it's welcome news. I liked how Ryan Shrout was reaching out to Reddit community. Reddit doesn't like him though, because he doesn't give AMD a reacharound.PCPER ditching standard FPS measuring all together and instead capturing video output.
This is so much win. Possibly the only thing missing is recording input(mouse) lag.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-New-Graphics-Performance-Metric
We all know just how huge the uproar for the 5xx series was.
There is a reason why NV pays for technical marketing, user groups and invest hugely in their brand. It pays off, but you need to have the cash for it, and it takes years and talent to build.
The value of a brand is so strong the personal perception can change, contrary to the like "I've been noticing the stuttering also in games since going from a GTX 580 to the 7970 Ghz"
On top level you simply decide how to change the perception of value: du you fx. prioritize the driver team or the marketing.
I wellcome new methods of assessment. I hope we get something that can be validated in blindtests, and not another set of methods that draws unessesary attention from real progress.
+1 Humans are very susceptible to the power of suggestion. I've personally been involved with testing where the subjects were aware of what they were comparing and then compared the same things blindly. Not one person could back their open observations when the tests were blind to any kind of statistical significance.
Well, I think that the fluctuations FRAPS picks up are displayed to the user who will see them if they are of sufficient magnitude. However, I have noticed that when FRAPS has perfectly smooth frametimes you can still have stuttering performance, so it does not tell the full story. (I wonder if I can capture it on video, but I think Hitman here already did when doing a frame cap that gave beautiful constant frames in FRAPS but horrible stuttering video.)Which brings yet more evidence that the fraps frame times are indeed what people are seeing in regards to the game world update smoothness
+1 Humans are very susceptible to the power of suggestion. I've personally been involved with testing where the subjects were aware of what they were comparing and then compared the same things blindly. Not one person could back their open observations when the tests were blind to any kind of statistical significance.
And yeah, I know we'll be accused of being blind.
Who is? Please use the quote function so we can read what posts you are referring to.It's amazing to me that after AMD has stated that there is an issue, there is post after post claiming that there isn't (and that's putting what many of you have posted in the most generous of lights).
It's amazing to me that after AMD has stated that there is an issue, there is post after post claiming that there isn't (and that's putting what many of you have posted in the most generous of lights).
There is a reason why NV pays for technical marketing, user groups and invest hugely in their brand. It pays off, but you need to have the cash for it, and it takes years and talent to build.
The value of a brand is so strong the personal perception can change, contrary to the like "I've been noticing the stuttering also in games since going from a GTX 580 to the 7970 Ghz"
On top level you simply decide how to change the perception of value: du you fx. prioritize the driver team or the marketing.
I wellcome new methods of assessment. I hope we get something that can be validated in blindtests, and not another set of methods that draws unessesary attention from real progress.
Nvidia and Keysplayr's plan seems to be moving along nicely.
It's amazing to me that after AMD has stated that there is an issue, there is post after post claiming that there isn't (and that's putting what many of you have posted in the most generous of lights).
It's amazing to me that after AMD has stated that there is an issue, there is post after post claiming that there isn't (and that's putting what many of you have posted in the most generous of lights).
DaveBaumann said:Curious, where did you read any of that?
First off, I mentioned that we have a memory management rewrite underway for orthogonal reasons and it was at a point where we could just try it and see if it makes any improvements; it transpires that in some cases it has helped improve things. This has raised the priority to trying to get this through earlier; that doesn't mean that we "weren't going to bother", otherwise what would have been the point of investing the development time in the first place? Again, the memory manager rewrite was being done for other reasons, and in fact there was no indications from anywhere (including TR's prior reviews) was this an area that needed to be addressed.
Secondly, the memory manager change is not "magic bullet". The quote Scott originally highlighted from me was that these types of things can occur from multiple different areas of the driver - for instance the BL2 improvement primarily comes from resizing a buffer, not related to generic the memory management at all.
This is not due to solely chasing average FPS. One of the software engineers looking into this contacted me to point out that for at least two of the titles where we've made improvements the average FPS should be improved, maybe by a reasonably large degree in some cases.
I can't say that in the games I've played they have been noticeable, likewise I do not see end user feedback for this type of issue (except, maybe outside of a few known problem titles).
As far as I had seen, TR's prior reviews using this method didn't highlight anything particularly untoward.
Likewise, we all use our GPU's and, for instance, I've put may many hours in to Borderlands 2 (207 in fact :gasp:!) on other an HD 7970 Ghz Ed or a HD 7870 and I genuinely can't notice any affects on the gameplay related to this to have even flagged it up as something I can perceive. However, we take it seriously and this has occupied quite a lot of architectures and software engineers time over the past few weeks to see where this is coming from and whether it can be improved.
Yes, I think this is the area that needs further investigation. It is interesting that TR has does this type of analysis, and flagged an "issue" but to all intents and purposes I have no frame of reference that indicates that this is an "issue" that affected people in most of the cases; as mentioned nobody has really reported this an issue that affects their gameplay.
There is an issue, but it's being blown way out of proportion.
Nvidia just had a massive security issue with there drivers and we saw maybe 10 posts about it. AMD has an issue that probably 90% of viewers could not notice an we are on the third 15 page thread full of nvidia trolls blowing things out of proportion. That to me is amazing.
A problem where a malicious attack can destroy your system, or a problem that you most likely can't even detect. You need to realize I'm not attacking nvidia or defending AMD. I'm just drawing attention to the absurd amounts of effort certain members of this forum devote to downplaying nvidia problems and blowing AMD issues out of proportion.
Now they will reply by saying that they can detect the problem and that's why they only buy nvidia cards. They will even say that this had been a problem for years. All while people who actually use AMD GPUs have been happily playing games with no problems.
By pointing out the faults of one to make the faults of another appear lesser...yeah that is definitely the bold.
Are you saying that's what I'm doing or what the posters I was calling out were doing? I'm confused...
Long story short, both sides have had drivers issues, and will continue to have driver issues. That's just how software/driver development works. I think the people with the obvious bias towards either brand choose to ignore this in order to advance their agenda.
Are you saying that's what I'm doing or what the posters I was calling out were doing? I'm confused...
Long story short, both sides have had drivers issues, and will continue to have driver issues. That's just how software/driver development works. I think the people with the obvious bias towards either brand choose to ignore this in order to advance their agenda.
How could you not know? He was surely implying that your posts, parts of which he had bolded for you, rang hypocritical.
There is no short story here. There is a long drawn out one though. Adams not a thing about it is as car savings day as you make it out to be. While Railven and I do not often see eye to eye, he is spot on about you.
I don't know what you just said.