[TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

[Leadbox]

"Lets" see what AMD does to fix it's latency issues with GCN architecture. Will they smooth out the frame times and still hold on to the fps they are currently enjoying? Or will smoothing out frame times reduce them back to where they were pre 12.8's? Who knows? AMD probably does.
And 3DVagabond, could you perhaps force yourself not to care whether someone is "happy" about this situation or not? It really shouldn't concern you.
I'm referring to this:
"I'm not saying anything except that people shouldn't take something and simply apply whatever meaning to it that makes them happy."

People DO have eyes and people ARE seeing what is going on. These people DO include AMD staff as indicated by their response to the issue and a rework of memory communications (if that is indeed the problem. I say probably not and it's just fluff) due sometime in 2013 according to Baumann.

Just letting you know that even though you're attempting to steer this thread, there are more people with their eyes on the road than you think.

Battlefield 3 saw the biggest gains with these 12.11 drivers, did TR revisit that?

 

[3DVagabond]

"Lets" see what AMD does to fix it's latency issues with GCN architecture. Will they smooth out the frame times and still hold on to the fps they are currently enjoying? Or will smoothing out frame times reduce them back to where they were pre 12.8's? Who knows? AMD probably does.
And 3DVagabond, could you perhaps force yourself not to care whether someone is "happy" about this situation or not? It really shouldn't concern you.
I'm referring to this:
"I'm not saying anything except that people shouldn't take something and simply apply whatever meaning to it that makes them happy."

People DO have eyes and people ARE seeing what is going on. These people DO include AMD staff as indicated by their response to the issue and a rework of memory communications (if that is indeed the problem. I say probably not and it's just fluff) due sometime in 2013 according to Baumann.

Just letting you know that even though you're attempting to steer this thread, there are more people with their eyes on the road than you think.

You don't have the right to call out forum members and tell anyone how or what to post. You aren't a mod anymore. You're just one of us. Stop with the personal attacks.

 

[NIGELG]

New year same rubbish.Let's summarize......

''AMD is inferior budget crap,AMD is going bankrupt.AMD has suck ass drivers,AMD's gameplay is rough like sandpaper while the Superior,Sophisticated Nvidia is like the bottom end of a baby in Gameplay.It's worth a premium for ''more features'' from nVIDIA,nVIDIA has better developer relations,PhysX,AO....''


The same paid marketer and his minions rattling out this crap and jumping at any chance to cheer his/her soulless silicon giant on while patronizing and being irritating and condescending with lame attempts to be hip and cool on the forums but is as transparent as glass with his/her agenda even if he/she tries to ''do it for the community''

To those who suffer from microstutter I'm truly sorry and I hope if there is an issue that it does get fixed.

Happy new year to all.....

 

[HurleyBird]

The same paid marketer and his minions rattling out this crap and jumping at any chance to cheer his/her soulless silicon giant on while patronizing and being irritating and condescending with lame attempts to be hip and cool on the forums but is as transparent as glass with his/her agenda even if he/she tries to ''do it for the community''

More or less everyone on this forum knows that Keys has an agenda, but right now in this thread he's right. He's making the AMD fanboys in this thread look ridiculous and boosting his own credibility while he's at it. You better believe that he's enjoying every moment of it.

AMD fanboys: The only way to stop losing to Keys in this thread is to stop using obviously stupid and desperate arguments. Admit that there is a problem. Admit that you were wrong in the previous thread, and say that you look forward to AMD fixing the issue.

 

[Keysplayr]

Thank you HurleyBird. No matter how you feel about me and my "agenda", I have a new respect for you now.

 

[Zanovar]

A problem?,*grinz at keys*

 

[railven]

Woof, I spend a month training a new employee and this place (and some others) turn into nut houses. Haha.

I noticed the stuttering in WoW, and I said so in the Never Must Settle thread (or whatever the driver suite is called.) It is very noticeable in cut scenes, actual game play not as much. However, it is there, at least on my rig.

So AMD addressed the problem? Then what's the issue? Are people really that invested in a company/silicon that they are going to call anyone who notices it into question?

Damn, I can never tell who I'm shilling for since the guidelines for shilling keep changing around here. Sheesh. Keys got some of you by the balls, and it's kind of amusing haha.

 

[MTDEW]

All that is going come of this is the same old thing.
AMD will optimize its drivers for the handful of titles that are used in benchmarks to cover their butts and avoid the negative press.

And then we're right back where we always are , where reading reviews only gives you an idea how well a company can optimize its drivers for the handful of "benchmark games" and only how well those games are going to play on the hardware if you buy it.

Support for new releases, and promptly fixing issues is highest on my priority list.

I'd much rather see constant game performance reviews of new titles a month after release being tested on Nvidia and AMD hardware, so consumers have more accurate info of what the experience of actually owning particular hardware is going to be like.

There is nothing worse than unlocking a new game on release day and two months later you're still at the mercy of a driver team waiting to actually play the game on "this hot new card" that was supposed to be amazingly fast in reviews.
Or waiting for bugs like flashing textures to be fixed.

I do think what is happening now is a good thing, don't get me wrong.
But its not enough, to me.

How a company supports its hardware and customers after purchase should be given WAY more attention than it currently does.

 

[willomz]

I know, I find it amazing how personally some people seem to take 'attacks' on 'their brand'.

Does this sort of thing happen in any other field besides politics?

 

[railven]

I know, I find it amazing how personally some people seem to take 'attacks' on 'their brand'.

Does this sort of thing happen in any other field besides politics?

Almost got beat up because I was dissing the Red Socks at some bar. I'm not even a baseball fan, was just mocking the "RED SOCKS RULE" dribble and some dude took it personal. Thankfully I got good wit.

But yeah, these things can get crazy! haha.

 

[willomz]

Heh, yeah that's true But it makes sense with sports teams, you are supposed to have team loyalty. But a graphics card is just a product, like a car or a fridge.

I don't mind people being fanboys, but what really gets me is that they always assume that everyone else has a position. You make a perfectly reasonable comment and some idiot comes along with "well you would say that you Nvidia/AMD fanboy".

 

[Keysplayr]

You don't have the right to call out forum members and tell anyone how or what to post. You aren't a mod anymore. You're just one of us. Stop with the personal attacks.

I can call out your BS if I deem it necessary. As it true with anyone. And I am not "telling" you how to post but definitely requesting it. Difference.
Also, send me a list of all things you consider "personal attacks" because if you considered my last post a personal attack, well, there isn't a whole lot anybody can say to you on this forum without you considering it an attack. And good luck convincing a mod that I've attacked you. But, stranger things happen all the time.

 

[Ferzerp]

I know, I find it amazing how personally some people seem to take 'attacks' on 'their brand'.

Does this sort of thing happen in any other field besides politics?

It is a universal actually. (In my opinion, it's a good litmus test for "fanboy". If an individual appears to take a brand's failure personally, then it is worth considering that they are overly attached to that brand.)

See this study synopsis.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2011...m-of-favorite-brands-as-threat-to-self-image/


edit: TL/DR People associate with their "favorite" brands to a level at which they feel they share the success and failures. Criticize the brand, and they feel like and react like you are criticizing them personally.

 

[f1sherman]

See this study synopsis.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2011...m-of-favorite-brands-as-threat-to-self-image/


edit: TLR People take associate with their "favorite" brands to a level at which they feel they share the success and failures. Criticize the brand, and they feel like and react like you are criticizing them personally.

Hahahaha excellent. Thanks!

"Because the brand is seen as a part of the self by virtue of being intimately tied to the self, failure on the part of the brand is experienced as a personal failure," reads the paper.

"Therefore, in an effort to maintain a positive self-view, high SBC individuals react defensively to brand failure by evaluating the brand favorably despite its poor performance.

"Consumers are highly resistant to brand failure to the point that they’re willing to rewrite history"

 

[Zanovar]

Almost got beat up because I was dissing the Red Socks at some bar. I'm not even a baseball fan, was just mocking the "RED SOCKS RULE" dribble and some dude took it personal. Thankfully I got good wit.

But yeah, these things can get crazy! haha.

hahaha

 

[MrK6]

Almost got beat up because I was dissing the Red Socks at some bar. I'm not even a baseball fan, was just mocking the "RED SOCKS RULE" dribble and some dude took it personal. Thankfully I got good wit.

But yeah, these things can get crazy! haha.

Lol, welcome to Boston.

 

[SirPauly]

.In the end smoother gaming experience for everyone win-win.

That's hopefully the bigger picture from this awareness -- smoother gaming from nVidia and AMD -- with single and multi-gpu platforms.

 

[3DVagabond]

I can call out your BS if I deem it necessary. As it true with anyone. And I am not "telling" you how to post but definitely requesting it. Difference.
Also, send me a list of all things you consider "personal attacks" because if you considered my last post a personal attack, well, there isn't a whole lot anybody can say to you on this forum without you considering it an attack. And good luck convincing a mod that I've attacked you. But, stranger things happen all the time.

I'm not going to send you anything. Just get off of my back and go about your business. You have no right to call out individual members and tell, request, scold them, or anything else. If I thought there was something of substance to you're call out of me, it would be different. You just don't like what I have to say and are trying to censor my opinion. Don't worry about the Mods, I'm not a flame baiting rat.

 

[willomz]

You seemed to be accusing people (me?) of making an issue of this with the aim of attacking AMD/AMD fanboys. I'm quite frankly grateful that Keysplayr called you out on it. If that's what you meant by your statement then it is utterly ridiculous.

There's not some AMD vs Nvidia war going on as you seem to imagine, and even if if there is I'm not interested in taking sides.

You are the one who started telling other people what they should or should not think, so I think it's a bit rich that you take exception to what Keysplayr wrote.

 

[3DVagabond]

You seemed to be accusing people (me?) of making an issue of this with the aim of attacking AMD/AMD fanboys. I'm quite frankly grateful that Keysplayr called you out on it. If that's what you meant by your statement then it is utterly ridiculous.

There's not some AMD vs Nvidia war going on as you seem to imagine, and even if if there is I'm not interested in taking sides.

You are the one who started telling other people what they should or should not think, so I think it's a bit rich that you take exception to what Keysplayr wrote.

I don't know what you are talking about me accusing people of. Please clarify.

Keys didn't tell me that my thinking was wrong. That's typical when people are having a discussion with different views on something. Keys told me not to post something. That's a completely different thing. He's not a Mod. He can't A, call fellow forum members out, and B, tell them they can or can't post something. If I had said something to him and he decided to take offense that would be something else entirely. I don't know why you or he feels the need to try and moderate discussions between other forum members.

We've spent far too much time on this. Anything to say about the TR tests, results, etc...?

 

[KentState]

Woof, I spend a month training a new employee and this place (and some others) turn into nut houses. Haha.

I noticed the stuttering in WoW, and I said so in the Never Must Settle thread (or whatever the driver suite is called.) It is very noticeable in cut scenes, actual game play not as much. However, it is there, at least on my rig.

So AMD addressed the problem? Then what's the issue? Are people really that invested in a company/silicon that they are going to call anyone who notices it into question?

Damn, I can never tell who I'm shilling for since the guidelines for shilling keep changing around here. Sheesh. Keys got some of you by the balls, and it's kind of amusing haha.

I've been noticing the stuttering also in games since going from a GTX 580 to the 7970 Ghz. Is the MSi Afterburner latency reading reliable? It jumps up pretty high at times for me.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm not going to send you anything. Just get off of my back and go about your business. You have no right to call out individual members and tell, request, scold them, or anything else. If I thought there was something of substance to you're call out of me, it would be different. You just don't like what I have to say and are trying to censor my opinion. Don't worry about the Mods, I'm not a flame baiting rat.

Riiiiiiight.

 

[Hitman928]

I've been noticing the stuttering also in games since going from a GTX 580 to the 7970 Ghz. Is the MSi Afterburner latency reading reliable? It jumps up pretty high at times for me.

According to TR, the 5xx series cards should have had about 1000x more stuttering than the 7970. Well, depending on the game you play.

http://techreport.com/review/23150/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/4

As far as the MSI AB, I believe it takes the same measurement fraps does.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

According to TR, the 5xx series cards should have had about 1000x more stuttering than the 7970. Well, depending on the game you play.

http://techreport.com/review/23150/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/4

As far as the MSI AB, I believe it takes the same measurement fraps does.

We all know just how huge the uproar for the 5xx series was.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I don't think this has been posted here yet.

PC Perspective has also announced they are revamping their GPU reviews, taking a cue from TechReport.

Frame Rating: A New Graphics Performance Metric

Instead of using FRAPS, they are recording the actual output from the DVI-port and writing as much as 400MBps of data and analyzing the actual rendered frames and spikes in latency and how long a frame 'remains' onscreen. I think the actual video and article can explain it better than I can.