There is a reason for that, but not the one you think.
AMD has arrived. Again?
IN SOVIET RUSSIA, 4 chips glue together YOU!
What a country!
How is that superior marketing?
I'm on intel's site and don't see these "Official" slides..
Wow, aprox. 20 slides out of 80 from the press event are about Zen.
AMD does glue 4 chips together?
How pathetic of Intel, but this isn't out of character for them. Inferior products, superior marking: Intel
I would expect members of the press who attended the mid June workshop to readily deny any of this is real, but I really really doubt Computer Base got duped so hard.Well in this world media are manipulating us ...I'll wait until making final decision
This is true but there is a reason for this. When AMD have the overwhelmingly better Athlon 64 products and Intel was paying Dell and others $billions in illegal deals how much more money AMD would have really had to reinvest had it been a free and open market like we want in a capitalist society. The settlements they received was nowhere close to the lost marketshare, revenue, mindshare, and the cyclical investments they would have made.Intel had superior products for pretty much every metric that mattered for the past decade until AMD's Zeppelin-based products launched. Superior marketing or not, the giant has grown accustomed to not having to play defense.
Oh come on people! LOOK at this slide.. Look at how anything in red doesn't line up, font size slightly different.. EASILY you can see the red section has been added..
I'm not a fan boy or anything else. If Cyrix made a cpu that I needed I would buy it, but I ALWAYS want the truth! How many of the Zen slides turned out to be bogus?
Just provide an intel link.. That's all ..
I have to wonder, when AMD have the overwhelmingly better Athlon 64 products and Intel was paying Dell and others $billions in illegal deals how much more money AMD would have really had to reinvest had it been a free and open market like we want in a capitalist society. The settlements they received was nowhere close to the lost marketshare, revenue, mindshare, and the cyclical investments they would have made.
I have to wonder, when AMD have the overwhelmingly better Athlon 64 products and Intel was paying Dell and others $billions in illegal deals how much more money AMD would have really had to reinvest had it been a free and open market like we want in a capitalist society. The settlements they received was nowhere close to the lost marketshare, revenue, mindshare, and the cyclical investments they would have made.
Oh come on people! LOOK at this slide.. Look at how anything in red doesn't line up, font size slightly different.. EASILY you can see the red section has been added..
I'm not a fan boy or anything else. If Cyrix made a cpu that I needed I would buy it, but I ALWAYS want the truth! How many of the Zen slides turned out to be bogus?
Just provide an intel link.. That's all ..
so its clear that they all received something from Intel.
Im Rahmen eines Presse-Workshops Mitte Juni an Intels Server-Stammsitz in Hillsboro, Oregon, war eine ganze Stunde des ersten Tages dem Vergleich mit AMD Naples gewidmet. Da die finale Hardware von Naples für Tests aber auch Intel Mitte Juni noch nicht zur Verfügung stand, waren viele der Analysen noch theoretischer Natur beziehungsweise Hochrechnungen von dem, was AMD bis Anfang Juni offiziell gezeigt hatte.
„We take our competitor very seriously“ begann Intel die Ausführungen. Doch die Samt-Handschuhe wurden schnell abgelegt. Es folgte eine Präsentation, die die aus Intels Sicht wesentlichen Schwächen des Mitbewerbers in dem Markt zeigte. Dabei nutzte Intel mit Blick auf Naples eine Wortwahl, die AMD in früherer Zeit ganz ähnlich auffuhr: „glued together“. Die Rede ist von AMDs Multi-Chip-Design, das aus vier eigenständigen kleineren Prozessoren (CCX) einen großen macht. Das ist nicht neu: Intel nutzte bei den ersten Zwei- und Vier-Kern-CPUs auch nichts anders als zwei „zusammengeleimte“ Chips auf einem Package oder in einem Die, während AMD seinerzeit vornehmlich native Lösungen bot.
Die Präsentation nutzte dann einen Xeon SP mit acht Kernen bei 2,2 GHz und stellte diesen gegen einen Ryzen 7 mit acht Kernen bei 2,2 GHz – bei diesem Takt erwartete Intel AMDs Epyc seit dem Frühsommer. Dabei wurden die Caches und Speichercontroller vermessen und zusammen mit den bisherigen technischen Angaben von AMD für Hochrechnungen genutzt. Diese sind in vielen Fällen extrem spekulativ und auch dementsprechend anzusehen, im Rahmen des Events bei Intel sorgten sie für erheiternde Stimmung – zumal zu Beginn dieser Nachmittagsrunde Popcorn angeboten wurde.
OUCH!
I don't know what is going on at Intel, but this all looks like amateur hour. Seriously.
German Golem in their article about Xeon also reported about the slides independently of ComputerBase, but didn't post as many of them:I would expect members of the press who attended the mid June workshop to readily deny any of this is real, but I really really doubt Computer Base got duped so hard.
What I see is an entire stack of slides at computerbase.de that is claimed to be from Intel.Oh come on people! LOOK at this slide.. Look at how anything in red doesn't line up, font size slightly different.. EASILY you can see the red section has been added..
I'm not a fan boy or anything else. If Cyrix made a cpu that I needed I would buy it, but I ALWAYS want the truth! How many of the Zen slides turned out to be bogus?
Just provide an intel link.. That's all ..
Look at the slides in question.. Easily visible BOGUS slides!
Again.. Show me an intel link..
Please read the rules you agreed to when you signed up today. This post being so far off topic isn't appropriate and may get moderator action. You certainly don't want to have a black mark of infractions your first day here, do you?
It's inflammatory flamebait but it was a response to user suggesting that Intel hasn't had to compete for a while and might have forgotten how. He isn't wrong in suggesting the 2003-2007 Anti-competitive actions kept AMD from growing and limited their budget to develop which allowed Intel the 10 years without real competition. We really don't want to see Intel "remember" how to "compete".
I asked for an intel link, and have not seen one yet.
Some suppliers are only offering Ryzen systems with crippled memory speeds. None of their excuses stack up either.
It's inflammatory flamebait
That's a BOGUS slide.. look at it.. The AMD crap on the side was added, and doesn't line up, fonts don't match etc..
BOGUS! PROPAGANDA! FUD indeed.. Conjured up slides to stir public attention and paint intel in a bad light.. Those slides don't show up anywhere on intel's site. Intel just wouldn't do that.
I'm surprised at you Abwx.. I expect it from csbin, but not you!
This BOGUS thread should be moved to P&N. It is just click bait.
I meant in the way it was presented. The information is accurate and the point was true to the comment he was responding too.And yet you continue to bring it up
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After finally stopping laughing, this attempts to portray Zen as not going to have any further improvements for the next 4 years. AMD static for 5 yrs, now Zen then a further 4 years of Naples while Intel Xeon improves on a polynomial curve. [...]