From the article :
Perhaps that you need the exact day as well, unless it s rather a pair of glasses...
What it says is that AMD plans to release it in Q4 2016. But it also says "no firm release date has been set". It does *not* say a release date has been set for 2016.
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Perhaps that you need the exact day as well, unless it s rather a pair of glasses...AMD’s planning to debut Zen based desktop FX CPUs by Q4 2016, just in time for the holiday season.
I could see xbone levels, yes. PS4 seems like a lot bigger stretch, at least at a reasonable die size, cost, and power budget. It all depends on availability and cost of HBM like you said. The cpu should at least be a lot stronger than the consoles, so it might be more competitive in cpu demanding titles.
But by the same token, we will have 14/16 nm dgpus by then, so that will raise the bar considerably for APUs compared to discrete.
Most likely the number of SP. But 768 or even 1024 is not much of a stretch given that they are shipping with 512 right now. You'd obviously need something to increase the bandwidth beyond just dual channel DDR4 2400. HBM would be the obvious answer, but that's going to be way too expensive for OEMs on a chip that's already going to be really expensive to make. That doesn't mean AMD won't try though.
From the article :
Perhaps that you need the exact day as well, unless it s rather a pair of glasses...
They said clovertown, a server CPU, so they were talking of HPC and professional softs, not of Sysmark...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2386/11
Now can you leave this thread alone and spare us your off topic..?.
This is the problem with the ADF. They would rather beleive a clickbait website rather than AMD themselves.
You need the glasses to read that AMD has said Zen is a 2017 product.
It will probably come down to the old argument about shipping to OEM's vs availability.I still think it's a 2016 product, a paper launch though.
And lets not forget this is the same publication that said Skylake was going to be a Conroe like jump in performance.
When your posts don't line up with what the Internet STRONGMAN Juanrga has been saying, who are we to believe?
Plan A;
Summit Ridge FX14 -> 8C/16T "Zen"
Raven Rdige FX14 -> 4C/8T "Zen" + 1 Shader Engine "GCN4" [16 CUs]
Plan B;
Viper Gecko 22FDX -> 20C/20T "Tunnelborer"
Basilisk Gecko 22FDX -> 10C/10T "Tunnelborer" + 1 Shader Engine "GCN4" [16 CUs]
who outside of intel uses/used a 22nm node?
I HOPE AMD can reach console level performance in the APU. That's what the APU needs to be successful. If they can deliver a console level of performance consistently, the APU will do GREAT with back to school gamers, and really just make it a far more versatile chip. If AMD has enough GPU performance in the APU to catch the consoles, then the APU becomes interesting because sure, it may lack CPU performance, but at least you can game on it every now and then for real. That was my FAVORITE part of my laptop in highschool when I was 18 was firing up GTA San Andreas and that laptop wasn't remotely meant for gaming. An APU laptop like that going into college that could play all the latest games and be used for school and isn't significantly more expensive than a normal laptop? That's perfect, and if AMD can do a promotion with Steam on those laptops to offer free games, a discount, a bundle, something, that would be a perfect opportunity for Valve to convert some people who may have been college console gamers into PC gamers.
There's been potential on the APU front for AMD the GPU portion has just been too weak really to truly recommend except maybe on select SKUs/titles.
I really don't think it matters. You're splitting hairs between the PS4 and XboxOne. 900p vs 1080p, ya some titles drop down from 60 FPS to 30 FPS, but we know that it's not because the Xbox One can't run higher than 30 FPS, it's because it can't run 60 FPS so they need to lock it somewhere and choose 30 FPS.
Otherwise, if an APU can do Xbox One level of performance, it's going to be more than enough for someone to be happy. APUs just have to deliver XboxOne or better performance across MOST skus to be truly attractive. Otherwise, I'd rather just have intel's performance. Now, if that APU can be utilized in conjunction with a dgpu during gaming (DX12?) then that will be interesting.
The APU is interesting, it's just been way too weak to be a true contender before but maybe a nodeshrink gives AMD enough to make an APU capable of delivering the weak XboxOne/PS4 level performance it needs to be successful.
CHADBOGA, what is this "Internet STRONGMAN" reference? I see it used to describe the "juanrga" poster on S|A and RWT, but I don't get it. Would appreciate an explanation so that I get the joke(s)
It will probably come down to the old argument about shipping to OEM's vs availability.
The test should be something like when can a regular joe buy it from Newegg.
I HOPE AMD can reach console level performance in the APU. That's what the APU needs to be successful.
It is a reference that I coined for him initially on RWT, due to his antics primarily on S|A and to a lesser extent on RWT.
Due to my warped sense of humour and his style of posting, he just reminded me of a South American "Strongman" dictator from the 20th Century and someone with utter blind faith in their own righteousness.
Obviously the description has resonated with a few people familiar with him(even if they understandably didn't exactly get the reference), so they have been using it to refer to him too.
On S|A, Juanrga bested ABWX, just as Juanrga has bested everyone he has ever come up against in debate. LOL
I fear it is only a matter of time before Dresdenboy becomes his next victim.
Oh, there is a method to the madness though. The end of 2016 is when they are badly going to need cash to continue. Imagine using reviews from enthusiasts sites to crow about Zen ("AMD is back!!!") to try to convince Junk Bond dealers to front them more money. The paper launch of course obscures the actual demand compared to what AMD really needs to sell.
But why not use a dGPU? (Example: Apparently Carrizo isn't even offered as 35W laptop yet. Instead OEMs are using 15W Carrizo + 15W dGPU for their notebooks.)
Maybe a volume 4C/8T Zen APU that works well with one 8GB stick of DDR4 3200 RAM and beats Intel 2C/4T GT2 (also using one 8GB DDR4 3200) would open more design wins?
(This assumes one 8GB DDR4 3200 stick ends up cheaper than two 4GB DDR4 3200 sticks).
For a laptop, if they could reach something like GT 950/960M performance in a 35 or 45 watt APU and sell it cheaper than intel + discrete, it would be attractive.
I do expect them to support high frequency ram, though. I wouldn't be surprised to officially see them support 3000 Mhz or higher right off the bat. (I feel like Intel has always been rather conservative on the officially supported ram mhz...not sure why, but I feel like some Intel pros can shed some light on this for me)