[Techpowerup] AMD "Zen" CPU Prototypes Tested, "Meet all Expectations"

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mrmt

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Sure it's a trade off. And you do the same trade off on mainstream desktop CPUs too. If you skip or reduce the iGPU, you can get more CPU performance. Except on mainstream desktop it's worse, since the iGPU occupies 50-70% of the die compared to only ~10% on a workstation CPU for the case mentioned earlier.

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Regardless, if you really value your time so much that 5% makes a difference, you should not be worried about the 5%, but about the 100% you lose by not buying a CPU with twice the amount of cores.

Since you acknowledge that you have no economic argument or value proposition on this one I rest my case.
 

tential

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Normally fjodor2001 I hate your and based posted.
Heavily biased imo.

But the 8 core zen cpu with I gpu?

Why are people even remotely against that? That's clearly a great product one I know would be applicable to many uses.

Are yall seriously so against anything amd may do that you'd go out or your way to think it'd be a bad product?

My coworker was actually just trying to get a decent amount of cores but then needed a separate gpu also instead if amd had zen out with 8 core + I gpu that may have Been a good alternative.

For amds sake I hope they release a product like that that's actually competitive. I would actually probably get it too if I could use the I gpu in an unraid setup.
 

DrMrLordX

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If the iGPU is so small that it's only for desktop display purposes, then I see nothing particularly wrong with it. It would use up a tiny amount of die area and practically no power. The AM4 platform is designed to accommodate APUs, and all the board hardware necessary to make something like that work would already be there. Any workstation that required "serious" graphical grunt would have a pro dGPU card.

The iGPU would be useless on headless systems, but most workstations aren't headless.
 

Fjodor2001

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As a software engineer who writes programs compile time is very important. If I am working, I attempt to fix some error then I wait for a recompile (could be 1 min to 2 hours depending on what I need to recompile, but mostly a few mins) then check the fix, re-compile again, etc. I don't need check emails (do that first thing) or have time to go to a meeting (which I couldn't schedule around my compilation anyway), nor can I really fix something else.
Sure, I also want code to compile ASAP. But 5% faster is not enough to matter. Getting more RAM, an SSD, or more cores resulting in perhaps 50-100% speedup is something else though. Then it gets noticeable.

And everyone has their way-of-working. But most people do not sit idle for 2 hours waiting for a compile to finish. There's always other stuff to do, at least where I've worked. Often you have several ongoing tasks in parallel, you work on multiple branches, you need to investigate some code, send emails, discuss issues with colleagues, need to read up on a subject, etc. But maybe things are different where you work.
My current work machine has 12 slow cpu cores as that's what someone in IT thought was best. They were wrong. A lot of the time I am held up by that slow single threaded speed. Running stuff mostly comes down to single threaded performance, compilation can on occasion use all the cores but then you have to do some huge link which is single threaded again. I would take 6 fast cores over 12 slow ones. What is more key is having a lot of memory as then windows caches everything which saves a lot of disk accesses.
If you're having 12 cores then you might run into I/O as a bottleneck, unless you have plenty of RAM and/or a fast SSD as you said.

But in general building software usually benefits hugely from multiple cores (and RAM & fast I/O). Sure there are some phases like linking that you mentioned that are still single threaded. But if properly designed with libs and reduction of dependencies across modules it should not be a huge part of the total build time. Especially not when doing a complete re-build, then linking should not take most of the time. And complete rebuilds are what takes a long time (sometimes hours). When only recompiling a couple of edited source code files the linkage time will take up a larger percentage of the total build time, but the total time for a build is much less (often seconds or minutes, unless some commonly shared file(s) are edited). So 5% increased link time is really not much IMHO.
 

Fjodor2001

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Normally fjodor2001 I hate your and based posted.
Heavily biased imo.
Not sure what to say about this. If you've actually taken the time to read my posts, you'd see that I'm interested in what both AMD, Intel, Samsung, Apple, and any other company has to offer. I don't really care who manufactures what, I'm just interested in what technology is interesting and at what cost. But since there are several quite biased Intel supporters on this forum, one often has to stand up for AMD/Samsung/ARM/whatever to make the discussion balanced. So maybe that's why you've gotten gotten this IMHO incorrect picture.
 
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