Checked that for you. That was a different author and even then he used a very cautious wording, like "might", "suggest", "educated guess".
I mentioned possible flaws found in the MophCore paper here in this very forum.
Checked that for you. That was a different author and even then he used a very cautious wording, like "might", "suggest", "educated guess".Recall that WCCFTech also said that Skylake would have MorphCore...
Would be more credible if they gave specifics that we could then compare to the actual dies when they are released.
They never said it would have MorphCore for certain, it was just speculation from their side IIRC.
Anyway, you could use your argument for everything, which would mean that once a site has published a single piece of information that later proves to be incorrect, no info on that site can ever be trusted anymore. If you go by that standard, I don't think there are many sites on the Internet that can be trusted, if any.
Perhaps huge in terms of that it has the performance and design properties of a typical high performance "big core" CPU, but the die itself should be quite small according to WccfTech:
"The Zen core itself is surprisingly compact and power efficient. The CPU die itself isnt particularly large and the Zen FX CPUs will target mainstream price points in which they will compete very aggressively with their upcoming Intel counterparts."
Mr BS is back. Didn't you get a vacation due to your latest forum violation only yesterday?Yeah, because Pakistan is the center of the tech world.
I was talking transistor count wise of course.
I'm not sure why a 1024 shader 4C/8T APU shouldn't be possible from AMD within a reasonable die size. Kaveri is 245mm^2 with two Steamroller modules and 512 GCN1.1 shaders on a 28nm process. The move to GloFo's 14nm process probably won't give the expected 4x density, but a doubling of cores and shaders in a 200mm^2 isn't unreasonable.
Sheesh...can we stop to always blow up AMD threads like this...not to mention stuff always drifts off topic for no reason.
Either you got something to say about AMD Zen that is relevant (or you got a question about it)...or you simply avoid the AMD thread.
Not sure what is so hard here.
I for one would love seeing either new facts/informations or people delivering some well thought out guesstimations based on what we know....that kind of stuff.
Your post did not have any content, just BS as usual.Had to attack me I see, because you couldn't argue with the content of my post.
Ok, I see. But normally that would result in a large die. Unless AMD is using some kind of high density libraries.
I fully anticipate that the 200W+ TDP APU that AMD has hinted at all along will have more shaders than that!
As pointed by some members with twice the density they can keep a module like area, at 14nm this would be 8mm2/core, so about 64mm2 for 8 cores excluding caches and other uncore parts.
A compressed 16T Vishera at same density than Richland would be about 350mm2 so we can expect a 8C/16T to be around 175-200mm2.
Well, then you have to ask the question: What do they mean by that the CPU core is small?
Is it smaller because it's on 14 nm vs 28 nm for previous AMD CPU cores? Or is it small even when considering it's on 14 nm (e.g. if comparing it to a theoretical Excavator core on 14 nm)? The article is not entirely clear on that.
I think that they say that it s small because it s something like half the size of an EXV module or eventualy a little less.
Samsung version of the A9 has 20.8 miilions transistors per mm2, to compare with Intel s Core M s 15.85 millions/mm2.
That s 31% higher density than what is branded by some people, at odd with all evidences, as the only genuine 14nm process, numbers be damned..
Actualy intel is surely on a 22nm BEOL that was shrinked from a 32nm BEOL used for their 22nm process, the discretanpcy in the density numbers cant be explained otherwise.
The bigger question is how well a dual channel DDR4 interface could keep that kind of APU fed. Even the 512 shader HD7750 showed a massive performance difference between the GDDR5 version and the DDR3-1600 version, and Kaveri keeps on increasing gaming performance with higher frequency RAM up past 2866. Assuming DDR4-3200 is widely available and cheap by then that will help, but four fast Zen cores and a 270X class GPU could be very bandwidth constrained even if thermals and die size look good.
Yeah, because Pakistan is the center of the tech world.
With AMD supposedly moving toward an aggressive pricing strategy vs Intel
What is it AMD is saying that makes you arrive at that conclusion?Given what AMD is saying right now you have to assume it will be the exact opposite of aggressive. They want to charge as much as they can.
Really!? Are you assuming it'll be faster than the 5960X (or equivalent available at the time Zen is released) which costs $999, or why else would they price it above that CPU?You should assume the 8 core will be $999 at launch regardless of performance...
I feel that we might see it soon with Zen and CanonlakeSpeculating on the Zen lineup based on the current FX lineup of 4c/6c/8c. With AMD supposedly moving toward an aggressive pricing strategy vs Intel and their usually no nonsense approach to their line-up I can see Zen being
i3 competitor - 4c/8t with unlocked top models
i5 competitor - 6c/12t with unlocked top models
i7 competitor - 8c/16t with unlocked top models
Priced right at Intel levels for relative clock speeds
The info comes from their own sources, as mentioned in the article. Got any evidence indicating the opposite?The article by wccftech is made up fairy tales
Just remember that Cannonlake is 2018Q1, while Zen is 2016Q4.I feel that we might see it soon with Zen and Canonlake
All FX are unlocked.
Intel i7 (Hexa) - Zen FX (Octa) -- Both With HT
Intel i5 (Hexa) Without HT -- Zen Phenom Black (Hexa) With HT
Intel i3 (Quad) With HT -- Phenom (Quad) With HT
Intel Pentium (Quad) Without HT - Athlon (Quad) Without HT
Intel Celeron (Dual) With HT - Sempron (Dual) With HT
No competitor from Intel --- Duron (Dual) Without HT
The info comes from their own sources, as mentioned in the article. Got any evidence indicating the opposite?