[techpowerup] Radeon HD 7970 FOB Price Cut to $475

[VulgarDisplay]

What the heck? Of course the 7970 may run not offer enough raw performance for potential enthusiasts with the settings or experience they may desire and may go CrossFire x2, x3 or x4. That is why its awesome to have multi-GPU choice and great scaling, too.

I'm not sure what message you are trying to convey.

At 1920x1080 (the most popular resolution in use) the 7970 has the power to last 2-3 years easily. When overclocked it's a no brainer.

 

[Arzachel]

I think the best over-all performance/value chips are the G-92 and G-92b, Cypress and Juniper, R-700 based HD 4870/4850.

Years and years of strong performance/value and hopefully still continues with competition banging heads. All of sudden this should change? Why? Because gamers were spoiled? Because AMD has an execution advantage?

Hahaha, you do know that Juniper was quite poorly received, because it couldn't beat the HD 4870 that was cheaper at the time?

 

[Arkadrel]

Drivers have matured since, and the 5770 is now faster.

If you asked people to pick between a 5770 and a 4870, who many would pick the 4870? No one would.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm not sure what message you are trying to convey.

At 1920x1080 (the most popular resolution in use) the 7970 has the power to last 2-3 years easily. When overclocked it's a no brainer.

Maybe if you're turning settings down...

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Maybe if you're turning settings down...

What benchmarks you been looking at? You need to look at reviews again.

 

[Arkadrel]

Maybe if you're turning settings down...

What games?

Find a game that has ei. Ultra settings inside game (highest possible), but not insane AA ect,
that doesnt give 60+ fps at 1080p.

I dont think there are any (currently), maybe next years games will be more demanding?

I ll actually challenge you to find a game, without AA/AF, just highest possible settings, where its benched and gives less than 60 fps.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

They may not drop because nvidia has been known to defy logic when it comes to pricing their high end products compared to the competition.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What games?

Find a game that has ei. Ultra settings inside game (highest possible), but not insane AA ect,
that doesnt give 60+ fps at 1080p.

I dont think there are any (currently), maybe next years games will be more demanding?

I ll actually challenge you to find a game, without AA/AF, just highest possible settings, where its benched and gives less than 60 fps.

First off 2-3 years isn't today's games, next gen consoles are coming out as well.

Secondly AA and AF off is turning the settings down.

 

[Arzachel]

Drivers have matured since, and the 5770 is now faster.

If you asked people to pick between a 5770 and a 4870, who many would pick the 4870? No one would.

The point was that on launch the 5770/50 really weren't that good of a choice with the 4870 being cheaper. New things command a price premium just because they are new. If bang for buck is your only metric, then last gen upper-mid to high-end products usually end up unbeatable, 4870 vs 5770, 5850/70 vs 6850/70 and 480 vs 570 come to mind. That's why I find it wierd that people are outraged about the 7850/70 being worse perf/$ than 6950/70. Where the hell have you been for the last three gens, people?

 

[96Firebird]

You realise that even a 590, cannot do more than 64 fps at those settings?
Thats like haveing 2 x 580 in SLI.

Please oh please tell me you are kidding... A stock 590 is hardly like having SLI 580s.

And LOL at whoever said a 7970 will be enough for 2-3 years worth of games. I'm sure the same thing was said 2-3 years back, and here we are... Is the 4890 still good enough for ultra settings on new games? I think not.

 

[SirPauly]

Hahaha, you do know that Juniper was quite poorly received, because it couldn't beat the HD 4870 that was cheaper at the time?

The HD 4870 original MSRP was 299 and Juniper's was, I believe 159 MSRP. Juniper was a very good DirectX 11 bang-for-the buck card and why it sold so many.

 

[SirPauly]

The point was that on launch the 5770/50 really weren't that good of a choice with the 4870 being cheaper. New things command a price premium just because they are new. If bang for buck is your only metric, then last gen upper-mid to high-end products usually end up unbeatable, 4870 vs 5770, 5850/70 vs 6850/70 and 480 vs 570 come to mind. That's why I find it wierd that people are outraged about the 7850/70 being worse perf/$ than 6950/70. Where the hell have you been for the last three gens, people?

Who is outraged?

 

[MrK6]

Please oh please tell me you are kidding... A stock 590 is hardly like having SLI 580s.

And LOL at whoever said a 7970 will be enough for 2-3 years worth of games. I'm sure the same thing was said 2-3 years back, and here we are... Is the 4890 still good enough for ultra settings on new games? I think not.

Who said "ultra" setting? Where's the quote? And the 5870 still plays games very well and here we are over two years later.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm pretty sure my 9800GT will play every game out there with the right settings/res.. It's not really saying much though.

 

[96Firebird]

Who said "ultra" setting? Where's the quote? And the 5870 still plays games very well and here we are over two years later.

I said ultra settings, you quoted it. :awe:

Oh, so we are talking about lowest settings here. No problem then, my 8800GT should be good for another 10 years. Why do I even bother to upgrade?

 

[SirPauly]

I'm not sure what message you are trying to convey.

At 1920x1080 (the most popular resolution in use) the 7970 has the power to last 2-3 years easily. When overclocked it's a no brainer.

I don't know what to say, and why you're limiting things to only 1920 x 1080 and offering a sweeping view from 2-3 years from now in the context of easily.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Please oh please tell me you are kidding... A stock 590 is hardly like having SLI 580s.

And LOL at whoever said a 7970 will be enough for 2-3 years worth of games. I'm sure the same thing was said 2-3 years back, and here we are... Is the 4890 still good enough for ultra settings on new games? I think not.

It's a fact that a 5870 from 2 years ago still has enough power to run any game at 1920x1080.

We're stuck on this console generation until 2015. 3 more years of DX9 console ports with tacked on dx11 features. If you don't think the 7970 will be all the GPU you need for 2-3 years then you are far more optimistic about the future of game development than I am.

 

[SirPauly]

1920 x 1080 is the most common resolution; is 550 dollars the most common price-point? Sweet spot strategies have been targeting the most common resolution, imho.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

1920 x 1080 is the most common resolution; is 550 dollars the most common price-point?

What does that GPU price point have to do with 1920x1080? I don't think english is your first language.

 

[96Firebird]

We're stuck on this console generation until 2015. 3 more years of DX9 console ports with tacked on dx11 features. If you don't think the 7970 will be all the GPU you need for 2-3 years then you are far more optimistic about the future of game development than I am.

We've been "stuck" on the same "console ports" since 2005, that's 6 years (technically 7, but the 360 was released late 2005). Using your logic, since apparently games have been stagnant in terms of performance needs because of consoles, 6 year old graphics cards should be fine for a PC gamer. When the truth is, they aren't. Just like, for the next 2-3 years, games will need more powerful hardware.

 

[SirPauly]

What does that GPU price point have to do with 1920x1080? I don't think english is your first language.

If you have to ask what the price-point has to do with resolutions, then, there is not much I can do for you.

 

[MrK6]

I said ultra settings, you quoted it. :awe:

Oh, so we are talking about lowest settings here. No problem then, my 8800GT should be good for another 10 years. Why do I even bother to upgrade?

Very observant. Maybe if you paid attention and actually participated in the discussion at hand, that a 5870 can play games at 1080p regardless of settings, your opinion would be relevant.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

We've been "stuck" on the same "console ports" since 2005, that's 6 years (technically 7, but the 360 was released late 2005). Using your logic, since apparently games have been stagnant in terms of performance needs because of consoles, 6 year old graphics cards should be fine for a PC gamer. When the truth is, they aren't. Just like, for the next 2-3 years, games will need more powerful hardware.

An 8800GTX from 2006 can still run any game with better visuals than any console can. I see the point you're trying to make, but it's invalid because it's wrong.

You're using unnecessary amounts of IQ enhancements to justify needing more performance. So while I'm sure you enjoy 8xAA for it's huge performance hit and negligible gain in IQ over 4xAA then by all means go ahead and use that as a way to say that a 5870 won't cut it for 2-3 more years. While you're at it you can also say that an 8800GTX is unable to run games at console quality levels also. I'm sure anyone still using an 8800GTX will tell you that it's still going strong even though it's 6 years old. A guy on my COD team is still using one to run BF3 fairly well.

The only reason why GPU hardware from 2005 stopped being able to run games as well as newer GPU's is because of the increase in average monitor resolution. Back in 2005 1920x1080 was not as prevalent as you think. 720p was far more accessible to the average consumer, and to this date most console games run at 640p. Now consider the fact that developers were coming to grips with the new hardware in 2005 so they weren't pushing things very hard. It's now 2012 and I see Frostbite 2.0 as the last gasp of game developers wringing every last ounce of performance out of the xbox360 and PS3.

Development is going nowhere until we get new consoles.

 

[SirPauly]

I guess using x8 AA is out of the question as well. I just don't know what to say.

 

[bryanW1995]

One of the all time high end bargains?

Maybe that was a bit much, but the card is still solidly midrange 2 1/2 yrs after launch, and the extremely low original msrp certainly helped its long term value.