Techreport: A note on rumors about gtx 590 issues.

[wahdangun]

Yes, he must be lying I guess, he's only been a member there for 10 years. And posted earlier when he first got the 590, before it exploded.


http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037042672&postcount=357

And then, Kaboom

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037046423&postcount=170


Or maybe this guy, he was accused of lying too

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18781867&postcount=140

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/mortis0302/DEAD GTX590/29032011018.jpg


And then this guy

http://translate.google.com/transla...ulletin/showpost.php?p=3960849&postcount=352'

Hmmm, same component burned up.



And the the 5 or 6 reviewers that had 590s blow up.....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=37

Two cards dead for these reviewers
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flab501. ro%2Fplaci-video%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking%2F12

Two cards dead for these reviewers as well
http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/...sweclockers-testlabb-drivrutin-boven-i-dramat

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/27.html

http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac-gtx-590-review/3/

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/825-2/dossier-nvidia-repond-amd-avec-geforce-gtx-590.html


Two different reviewers, both with two dead 590s, other reviewers with one dead 590. Nothing wrong here I guess.

No this must all be a big conspiracy, in fact, a global conspiracy with key players in the highest levels of government. If Mulder & Scully were here, they'd get to the bottom of this. Where would they start ? Amongst the forum denizens or in nvidia's engineering department. Only they know!

wow so it true after all. Its seems gtx 590 is so fragile you can't even use wrong driver or it will go pop

 

[Seero]

If i recalled correctly, a poster with 1 post got banned because of a picture stating Richard Huddy is a liar. 1 post. Here you have a poster who repeatedly reposting unknown source claiming their 590 fried under stock. I can take a picture of 590 and come here stating that my 590 fried before I plug it in, guess how many will respin it as if i meet jesus christ in person?

Fact:
2 reviewers fried their 590. Both of them didn't follow instructions on voltage with stock HS without modification.

The one of the 2 reviewers believes that nothing can go wrong by maxing out the voltage through some overclocking program.

2 internet findings claims their 590 fried at stock clock. One have a picture showing a burn mark in the center of the card, which is far away from the VRM. One have a picture of a perfectly good card which he claims it didn't have a camera.

Nvidia released several beta drivers after the release of 590.

What isn't facts:
Enginnering fault, driver or factory setting cause 590 to fry.

Over current Protection = safe to OC.

Nvidia's driver that comes with the card will kill the card, as well as any other drivers after that.

Things that is false:
All posts from all posters from all forums are truths.

We are all engineers and know how stuff works.

OC is safe and should never cause physical damage, fire or explosion hazzard.

Keys is the only one with a passion towards a brand.

My thoughts:
Isn't max out the fan before OC something logical? Check the clip again. The fan of the video card doesn't appears to be at max. Why do they setup a camera on the card? What were they doing at the time? Load test? Sound test?

Over Current Protection is not meant to protect people from OC, but to ensure that the total electricity going into the GPU does not exceed its threshold under load where current may be unstable. This does not safe guard against change in voltage, meaning that user will still need to understand the ramifications on increasing voltage. Frying the circuit is one of them.

 

[krumme]

Thanks Ryan.

What do you think about, there is a lot of people that think its problematic that NV paid - i dont care if its with money or pigs - people participate in the discussion the way its done here? - in this situation with presumable problematic gtx590 exploding
Starting a new thread for what is already discussed multiple places?
And now Ryan joining.

From where i stand, i have to say, it doesnt look pretty.

I dont think you have bad intentions at all, but i hope you know what you are doing, and in years will look back and say, it was the right thing to do and that you were not used in a game you didnt control yourself. I guess you have thought this dilemma over many times - and are safe about it.

But i just have to say - from the outside - it doesnt look good from my perspective.

Take care


This is textbook ad hominem personal attack and it is not acceptable.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[OCGuy]

I just find it funny that the cards getting the most attention are:

A. The cards people are least likely to own

and

B. The cards that mean almost nothing to the bottom line of either company

 

[krumme]

Good Post. I agree.

I have to say this way of replying to post tastes like professional PR work to me, - building trust and relations and making a general positive mood. I might be wrong. But you do it multiple times in this thread and they add nothing of objective value.


This is needlessly personal. If you feel like sharing this personal perspective with Keysplayr then you are expected to do it by way of pm.

When done publicly, such as you have done, it is an insult.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[Grooveriding]

Fact:
2 reviewers fried their 590. Both of them didn't follow instructions on voltage with stock HS without modification.

The one of the 2 reviewers believes that nothing can go wrong by maxing out the voltage through some overclocking program.

2 internet findings claims their 590 fried at stock clock. One have a picture showing a burn mark in the center of the card, which is far away from the VRM. One have a picture of a perfectly good card which he claims it didn't have a camera.

If you want to attempt to post facts, at least get them straight.

Fact: 8 review cards blew up, 6 independent reviewers, 2 reviewers had 2 cards blow up each and four reviewers had one card blow up.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=37

Two cards dead for these reviewers
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flab501.ro%2Fplaci-video%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking%2F12

Two cards dead for these reviewers as well
http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/1...boven-i-dramat

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...TX_590/27.html

http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac-gtx-590-review/3/

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/825-...e-gtx-590.html


Fact 2, both independent end-users who posted pictures of their blown up 590s show damage in the same place, take another look. This same area is where the reviewers experienced explosions as well.

EDIT: Another 590 goes up in flames http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4798645&postcount=295

Same location on all three cards. In the words of Crysis fans everywhere when discussing their feelings on Crysis 2, Maximum Fail.


Fact 3

GTX 590=turd ? We'll find out in the coming weeks when/if more reports of exploding 590s roll in.

 

[Keysplayr]

I have to say this way of replying to post tastes like professional PR work to me, - building trust and relations and making a general positive mood. I might be wrong. But you do it multiple times in this thread and they add nothing of objective value.

Hey bryanW1995, I'm not allowed to agree with you or appear friendly towards you in any way. I'm going to have to disagree with you now then.
Cheers!

 

[Keysplayr]

What do you think about, there is a lot of people that think its problematic that NV paid - i dont care if its with money or pigs - people participate in the discussion the way its done here? - in this situation with presumable problematic gtx590 exploding
Starting a new thread for what is already discussed multiple places?
And now Ryan joining.

From where i stand, i have to say, it doesnt look pretty.

I dont think you have bad intentions at all, but i hope you know what you are doing, and in years will look back and say, it was the right thing to do and that you were not used in a game you didnt control yourself. I guess you have thought this dilemma over many times - and are safe about it.

But i just have to say - from the outside - it doesnt look good from my perspective.

Take care

Duly noted, thanks for your participation Krumme. :thumbsup:
I hope this does not appear too friendly.

 

[OCGuy]

I have to say this way of replying to post tastes like professional PR work to me, - building trust and relations and making a general positive mood. I might be wrong. But you do it multiple times in this thread and they add nothing of objective value.

I've seen it all now....

 

[Keysplayr]

I've seen it all now....

Eh, forget it. Just be nice to him.

 

[zebrax2]

I just find it funny that the cards getting the most attention are:

A. The cards people are least likely to own

and

B. The cards that mean almost nothing to the bottom line of either company

It doesn't matter if the halo product doesn't really generate that much revenue as long as it creates the mindset of "fastest" card. Some average joe will ask which brand has the faster card and that is all it takes for them to buy in one brand or another.

 

[Grooveriding]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4798645&postcount=295


Another GTX 590 dead today. He must be part of the conspiracy :ninja:


Enough with the needlessly inflammatory rhetoric already. The baiting has got to stop.

Re: "He must be part of the conspiracy :ninja:"

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[WelshBloke]

Regardless of what causes this problem the GTX590 certainly dosnt fail in the normal manner.

I dont think I've ever seen this level of serious hardware failure, particularly given the fact that its a $700 card that cant be shifting massive quantities.

 

[OCGuy]

It doesn't matter if the halo product doesn't really generate that much revenue as long as it creates the mindset of "fastest" card. Some average joe will ask which brand has the faster card and that is all it takes for them to buy in one brand or another.

"Average Joe" is probably deciding between a 560 and a 6850 (in that price range)

 

[pcm81]

It doesn't matter if the halo product doesn't really generate that much revenue as long as it creates the mindset of "fastest" card. Some average joe will ask which brand has the faster card and that is all it takes for them to buy in one brand or another.

Exactly!

This is why 590 should have been a 700W HALO card, rather than a cigarette lighter.


Trolling is not acceptable.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[dguy6789]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4798645&postcount=295


Another GTX 590 dead today. He must be part of the conspiracy :ninja:

You really gotta stop posting links to people with dead 590s. Gotta keep it a secret.


Perpetuating existing inflammatory rhetoric and compounding the baiting is not acceptable.

Thread-derail is not acceptable.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[KCfromNC]

And that's 100% ok, Lonyo. That is what my sig is for, to let everyone know I have nothing to hide, and also that my opinions are my own.

Interesting approach, especially after telling us for a whole thread that people who post stuff on the internet about graphics cards can not be trusted.


Thread-crapping is not acceptable. Please get back on topic.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[Grooveriding]

You really gotta stop posting links to people with dead 590s. Gotta keep it a secret.

Where is Queen when you need them.

Dun-dun-dun

Another one bites the dust!


Please stop trolling the forum.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[OCGuy]

That is at least the 4th time you have posted that same link/pic Groove.....are we counting that as 4 failed cards?

You:

1. Posted that link in another thread

2. Edited one of your other posts to provide that link

3. Posted the fresh link

4. Posted the pic again

 

[Grooveriding]

That is at least the 4th time you have posted that same link/pic Groove.....are we counting that as 4 failed cards?

You:

1. Posted that link in another thread

2. Edited one of your other posts to provide that link

3. Posted the fresh link

4. Posted the pic again

Yes it's the latest 590 to die today. Who knows how many 590s have to die before Keys can accept they're faulty. I think every single one would need to go nuclear before he could accept the reality of the 590 being a turd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFqxn804Vmk&feature=player_embedded#at=89 ()


You are trolling this thread. Please stop.

Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[MentalIlness]

Eh, forget it. Just be nice to him.

Well, it does seem "based in your sig" that you have a GTX590. If this problem is fixed, why don't you test your card, the same way the reviewers did and then post pictures for proof ?

Wouldn't that put to rest any uncertainty ? Or are you just simply too worried about doing it ? Because I see the other poster that mentioned this to you, you didn't even reply to.

So, overclock your card, up your voltages to that of reviewers, and post back with your definitive findings.

Just don't use the drivers on the disc. And do not post and state, that even if you did do that, the other posters would still not believe the results based on your affiliation with NV. I could care less if your affiliated with a roll of Brawny.

After all, your defending the NV position, so give us proof "with your card"

 

[Keysplayr]

That is at least the 4th time you have posted that same link/pic Groove.....are we counting that as 4 failed cards?

You:

1. Posted that link in another thread

2. Edited one of your other posts to provide that link

3. Posted the fresh link

4. Posted the pic again

And this latest one has a little photo chop tingle to it. those resistors do not appear in line with the rest of them on the board. They appear to be angled slightly differently. Something unnatural about it. Cant put my finger on it. Anyone else?

Groove, can you ask the guy to take a few more pics of this card at different angles? I'm having trouble really seeing this as is.

 

[Grooveriding]

And this latest one has a little photo chop tingle to it. those resistors do not appear in line with the rest of them on the board. They appear to be angled slightly differently. Something unnatural about it. Cant put my finger on it. Anyone else?

Groove, can you ask the guy to take a few more pics of this card at different angles? I'm having trouble really seeing this as is.

Yeah I'll get right on that.

If you need to assuage your paranoia, by all means sign up and ask him in the thread.

It's unfortunate to see this level of denial.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wouldn't that put to rest any uncertainty ? Or are you just simply too worried about doing it ? Because I see the other poster that mentioned this to you, you didn't even reply to.

This isn't true Mental. I responded full well to Nitromullet. I don't feel comfortable overvolting any of my pc hardware. I am not experienced at this and 1.2v has been shown to be way too high even if I wasn't using 267.91 which disables overvolting.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yeah I'll get right on that.

If you need to assuage your paranoia, by all means sign up and ask him in the thread.

It's unfortunate to see this level of denial.

So you'll ask him then?