Techreport: A note on rumors about gtx 590 issues.

Arkadrel

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So techreport concludes:

1) cards dont go down to ~550mhz while gameing (in the 3 games they tested), overhead is big enough for it to not be needed.

2) the temp sensors dont lie, pr say, even though parts of the card are hotter than what they report, thats normal. 106° C power circuitry is apparntly safe enough for opperations of the card.

power circuitry gets hotter—up to 106° C, in our measurements—but we have no sense that such temperatures constitute a problem
 
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Keysplayr

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Is that what they conclude? Is that also "all" that they conclude?

About that 550 MHz thingy.
There are rumors that newly released Nvidia drivers reduce the core clock to 550MHz. This simply isn't true.
The only time you'll see a GTX590 downclock during a game, is if the GTX590 doesn't even break a sweat like a game a few gens old. This happened to me playing CoD2 last night. Clocks went down to 550 and stayed there. Game just isn't very demanding. Crysis, Crysis 2 etcetera, clocks remain at 607MHz. In the NV Control panel, there is an option to override this function. Under "Manage 3D Settings", you see the "Power management mode". By default, it's set to Adaptive, but this can be set to "Prefer maximum performance". When this is chosen, the 590 won't clock itself down in 3Dmode no matter how old or minutely demanding a game is.

Here also is something published by Hardware Canucks
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/nvidia-responds-complaints-newly-released-gtx-590-frying/
 
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nanaki333

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i thought it went down in more "demanding" games where the GPU would really be stressed. you also can't help but notice a lot of reviewers have wide open cases

most people seem to think it's OK to use drivers that were on the CD the card came with. i did not know using shipped drivers have the potential to fry your $700 graphics card.
 
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So techreport concludes:

1) cards dont go down to ~550mhz while gameing, overhead is big enough for it to not be needed.

2) the temp sensors dont lie, pr say, even though parts of the card are hotter than what they report, thats normal. 106° C power circuitry is apparntly safe enough for opperations of the card.

long as you're under 125C for the power, should be good
 

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Is that what they conclude? Is that also "all" that they conclude?

sorry forgot to add a few:

1) cards dont go down to ~550mhz while gameing (in the 3 games they tested), overhead is big enough for it to not be needed.

2) the temp sensors dont lie, pr say, even though parts of the card are hotter than what they report, thats normal. 106° C power circuitry is apparntly safe enough for opperations of the card.

3) newest drivers didnt lower performance, in the 3 games they tested.
we found zero performance differences between the drivers we used in the review and the public 269.91 package
4) Newer drivers no longer kill the cards.

We tested the GTX 590 with somewhat newer drivers, apparently updated to fix that problem, and didn't run into any sparks, flames, or even smoke.
 

Keysplayr

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i thought it went down in more "demanding" games where the GPU would really be stressed. you also can't help but notice a lot of reviewers have wide open cases

most people seem to think it's OK to use drivers that were on the CD the card came with. i did not know using shipped drivers have the potential to fry your $700 graphics card.

You are right in that if the GPU's are stressed to far or the power pull is too high, the card's safety features will kick in. Furmark, for example is notorious for that.

And people buying GTX590s retail usually go for the latest drivers available from the Nvidia website.
 

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http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20677

A few key points addressed by them. Interesting read.

I guess now that the huddle is over it's damage control time




Although it was somewhat interesting to read it kinda seems strange how they only redid bench's on games that aren't even gonna make the 590 break a sweat....Kinda makes a person wonder! The comments are also somewhat amuzing also.

You are right in that if the GPU's are stressed to far or the power pull is too high, the card's safety features will kick in. Furmark, for example is notorious for that. And people buying GTX590s retail usually go for the latest drivers available from the Nvidia website. __________________

So what your saying is don't purchase a 590 if you wanna play any games that will stress the gpu too hard? So purchase it for the older games that don't require alot of power? Unless you can live with the degraded performance that is. So in other words if your a real enthusiust you wouldn't touch a 590 unless your were given one for free?

Even the guys over at the evga forums are somewhat confused why the 590 is even here. Some way it's to compete for the single card crown. Some say it wasn't designed to compete with the 6990 at all. Some say it was created just for the fanboys to keep the sheep in line. Some say it was created to run cool and quiet and provide single card 3d surround support.

The 590 seems to have potential it's just the initial execution wasn't correctly implemented.


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I guess now that the huddle is over it's damage control time


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Need a little more detail than that. And what EXACTLY went down during these so called incidents.

I agree, no doubt overclocking was usually involved, but at least one (the one from ocuk I think) claimed no over-voltage was done. We all know any OC voids warranty but it is unofficially encouraged like the Asus boxes that shout voltage tweak.
 
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nanaki333

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You are right in that if the GPU's are stressed to far or the power pull is too high, the card's safety features will kick in. Furmark, for example is notorious for that.

And people buying GTX590s retail usually go for the latest drivers available from the Nvidia website.

Not after the whole 6970 x fire fiasco I went through. I had better stability with the shipped drivers than anything on amd site for months.

Fact remains though that tested and shipped drivers should not physically destroy your card.
 

Keysplayr

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I guess now that the huddle is over it's damage control time

Oh, that's pretty funny.

Although it was somewhat interesting to read it kinda seems strange how they only redid bench's on games that aren't even gonna make the 590 break a sweat....Kinda makes a person wonder! The comments are also somewhat amuzing also.

And wonder, and wonder and wonder, til people start inventing rumors.



So what your saying is don't purchase a 590 if you wanna play any games that will stress the gpu too hard? So purchase it for the older games that don't require alot of power? Unless you can live with the degraded performance that is. So in other words if your a real enthusiust you wouldn't touch a 590 unless your were given one for free?

No, I'm fairly certain that's your own conclusion, not what I'm saying at all and you probably knew that though.

Even the guys over at the evga forums are somewhat confused why the 590 is even here. Some way it's to compete for the single card crown. Some say it wasn't designed to compete with the 6990 at all. Some say it was created just for the fanboys to keep the sheep in line. Some say it was created to run cool and quiet and provide single card 3d surround support.

The 590 seems to have potential it's just the initial execution wasn't correctly implemented.

Like the article states.
 

Keysplayr

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Not after the whole 6970 x fire fiasco I went through. I had better stability with the shipped drivers than anything on amd site for months.

Fact remains though that tested and shipped drivers should not physically destroy your card.

I can't speak for AMD's recent drivers. The last AMD drivers I used were the 10.3a's when I had a 5870 and those were fine for me.
 

nanaki333

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All said I'm still going to give it a try. It breaks, I just rma and go back to the 6970s until an after market cooler comes out.
 

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jiffylube1024

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Nvidia damage control alert!! Stop the presses!

How is different tech sites reporting fried cards "Rumors"? They either are or aren't dead.

This Tech Report post hardly does much to reassure consumers of GTX 590's temperatures. The 112 C temperatures in one test were apparently grossly overrated, because in the Tech Report's findings, their card only hits a 'safe' 106 C (!!).
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I certainly wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Nvidia's retail/WHQL drivers are throttling the cards. However I wouldn't read one report like this and suddenly feel like there is absolutely no problem whatsoever with GTX 590's thermal monitoring, at least on older drivers.


Thread-crapping is not acceptable.

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Nvidia damage control alert!! Stop the presses!

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Dean

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If they clock down on older games when not being stressed, to me that is actually a good thing. Not only will it prolong the life of the product, but it will also present relief to your electrical bill.

I still play many older games. It would be nice to have a card automatically downclock itself when reaching a certain FPS threshold.

On the other hand, if I were the type of person who liked to overclock, this card would not be under my radar at all. I don;t overclock at all and I would still be kinda weary. I would wait until the reports of meltdowns go away.
 

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Nvidia damage control alert!! Stop the presses!

How is different tech sites reporting fried cards "Rumors"? They either are or aren't dead.

This Tech Report post hardly does much to reassure consumers of GTX 590's temperatures. The 112 C temperatures in one test were apparently grossly overrated, because in the Tech Report's findings, their card only hits a 'safe' 106 C (!!).
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I certainly wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Nvidia's retail/WHQL drivers are throttling the cards. However I wouldn't read one report like this and suddenly feel like there is absolutely no problem whatsoever with GTX 590's thermal monitoring, at least on older drivers.

Got a question?
 

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Nvidia better get their driver team functional. Bad drivers frying cards is not a good sales tactic.


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Keysplayr

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Nvidia better get their driver team functional. Bad drivers frying cards is not a good sales tactic.

They are already 3 drivers past that. Launch drivers were 267.84s which were for Vista and Win7. The next was 267.85 which included XP support.
267.91's disables manual overvoltage. All of them offered card protection.

It's all good ronnn. :biggrin:
 

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For the price it cost they should have least went the EXTRA mile and put higher VRM's then the cards needed!
 
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