I can take a graphics card, place it on a table and take a picture of it and say it's dead or died at stock speeds and voltage or whatever too. Then share it with you guys. Some of you will believe it, and some of you will not.
This is quite similar to classical paranoia, or projection; not everyone has sinister intentions or ulterior motives when it comes to their experiences with video cards.
Cautious isn't really the same as paranoid, though there is a fine line I suppose. The rest, absolutely true.
Most of us are just enthusiasts who enjoy being on the cutting edge.
Agreed.
When the edge cuts back it hurts and we cry about it.:biggrin:
Nobody is crying here.
In this case, the knife was sharpened more than usual.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037046423&postcount=170
Another GTX 590 explodes for an end-user.
No clue what the last line is about. Probably something to do with the sentence before. ::shrugs::
Haha, see my edit. I was trying to draw that analogy out a little more... probably not the best one I've ever written.:\
Crying meant the people with broken cards. Perhaps shouting would have been a better fit? I dunno, but my point is that these small things can get conflagrated and tempers flare when, given time to actually investigate, the following rational discussion would be much more productive than what we have now.
Says user "AthlonXP". There isn't any proof there.
No this must all be a big conspiracy, in fact, a global conspiracy with key players in the highest levels of government. If Mulder & Scully were here, they'd get to the bottom of this. Where would they start ? Amongst the forum denizens or in nvidia's engineering department. Only they know!
Yes, he must be lying I guess, he's only been a member there for 10 years. And posted earlier when he first got the 590, before it exploded.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037042672&postcount=357
And then, Kaboom
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037046423&postcount=170
Or maybe this guy, he was accused of lying too
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18781867&postcount=140
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/mortis0302/DEAD GTX590/29032011018.jpg
And then this guy
http://translate.google.com/transla...ulletin/showpost.php?p=3960849&postcount=352'
Hmmm, same component burned up.
And the the 5 or 6 reviewers that had 590s blow up.....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=37
Two cards dead for these reviewers
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flab501. ro%2Fplaci-video%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking%2F12
Two cards dead for these reviewers as well
http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/...sweclockers-testlabb-drivrutin-boven-i-dramat
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/27.html
http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac-gtx-590-review/3/
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/825-2/dossier-nvidia-repond-amd-avec-geforce-gtx-590.html
Two different reviewers, both with two dead 590s, other reviewers with one dead 590. Nothing wrong here I guess.
No this must all be a big conspiracy, in fact, a global conspiracy with key players in the highest levels of government. If Mulder & Scully were here, they'd get to the bottom of this. Where would they start ? Amongst the forum denizens or in nvidia's engineering department. Only they know!
And you believe all of them, unconditionally then. You don't think any of them are train jumpers? I'm inclined to entertain that possibility as well.
Straw, meet grasping hand
On one side. Reasonable number of accounts from credible review sites, end-users who have gone so far as to post pictures of the faulty 590s. On the other side, oped piece and accusations of complex conspiracies that would have to involve people setting $700 hardware aflame.
This looks like a reasonable initial sign that the GTX 590 is faulty and prone to failure. Nvidia has even admitted they need to bandaid the card with drivers.
When was the last video card launch where eight cards died in the hand of reviewers to the same failure then end users started reporting the same ?
Well as more weeks go by will we see more users with dead cards ? Hasn't even been a week and there are already exploding 590s turning up....
And you believe all of them, unconditionally then. You don't think any of them are train jumpers? I'm inclined to entertain that possibility as well.
Techpowerup and Hardware.fr are legitimate. Also those forum members seem legit too. Some are as established as anyone could be.
You really are grasping at straws and deflecting differing facts/opinions. Other posters are posting rational arguments and your responses are all in an attempt to discredit those sources. Of those sources, I'm inclined to believe them.
Deflect, deflect and deflect.
If you say so.
I can take a graphics card, place it on a table and take a picture of it and say it's dead or died at stock speeds and voltage or whatever too. Then share it with you guys. Some of you will believe it, and some of you will not.
You forgot /sarcasme tags (you never know around these parts if people will take it as a joke)Nothing wrong here I guess.
No this must all be a big conspiracy, in fact, a global conspiracy with key players in the highest levels of government. If Mulder & Scully were here, they'd get to the bottom of this. Where would they start ? Amongst the forum denizens or in nvidia's engineering department. Only they know!
Most people probably think you are working on the defensive and trying to give positive PR to NV over their new card.
Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, most people aren't going to take your contributions to this thread too seriously because they know your affiliations, and every time you try and dismiss 'evidence' as being biased or isolated incidents, you don't really help yourself.
There are different levels of over the top. Some would call people that join forums the day of the 590 launch to inform others about the # of 590's blowing up, 3, no 4, wait now 5, a little strange. What is the motive ? For some its enjoyment, I guess.Im sorry but this is over the top...
a 590 costs like 700$... WHY would anyone purposefully buy one, blow up a component, take pictures of a 590 with pieces of it blown up?
Your going way over the top. Is it not possible the guy was telling the truth? and his card did die the way he said it did?
And that's 100% ok, Lonyo. That is what my sig is for, to let everyone know I have nothing to hide, and also that my opinions are my own. But, that doesn't make what I am stating here any more or less factual.
Not defending, although I do feel the mass hysteria went way too far, so in that respect, I do feel the need to defend. Other than that, I'm just presenting some order into chaos.
There are different levels of over the top. Some would call people that join forums the day of the 590 launch to inform others about the # of 590's blowing up, 3, no 4, wait now 5, a little strange. What is the motive ? For some its enjoyment, I guess.
Just to be clear: One can't manually over-volt with the new drivers but one can still over-clock?
How can your speculation, that people and websites for whom 590s have failed, be factual? You're actually disturbing the system (of order on websites and so on) and turning it into chaos by trying to turn any reputable source into someone who has an agenda against Nvidia.
I'm saying this as someone with 2x EVGA 580 SC, overclocked quite significantly on air, with no issues of any kind. Nor have I heard of 580s suffering from this issue. Anywhere. But the 570s received some flak for this too, right? If there was a systematic agenda against Nvidia don't you think the 580 (single gpu flagship) would receive some too?
In short, as an Nvidia customer myself, am happy to steer entirely clear of the 590. If it had been the card I expected, (stable and blisteringly fast), I would have probably purchased two and finally gone for a watercooling build. All of this bad press can't just be an agenda against Nvidia.
But you do understand my position, don't you? Situation reversed and all?