TechSpot adopts latency benchmarks in new Titan review

[VulgarDisplay]

I just lost a couple million brain cells reading this thread... I'm still more intelligent than some people posting in it...

 

[Lonbjerg]

Place more stock in sustained minimums!

Didn't you hear...min FPS are worthless....just ask BFG10K

 

[Lonbjerg]

I just lost a couple million brain cells reading this thread... I'm still more intelligent than some people posting in it...

So you decided to raise the level and post something releva...oh wait :whiste:

 

[VulgarDisplay]

So you decided to raise the level and post something releva...oh wait :whiste:

Just lost some more....

 

[Leadbox]

Didn't you hear...min FPS are worthless....just ask BFG10K

SirP said sustained minimums, if thats what reviewers who do list mins and max fps use then it's all good. If however they just scroll through their fps to give you the lowest digit they find as a min, then aint it also just a number?

 

[Rvenger]

What a disaster.

 

[Leadbox]

What a disaster.

Yeah thats useful, I'm schooled now - thank you

 

[Lonbjerg]

It's funny that the most people that object to more DETAILED performance analyze...seems too favour AMD...I wonder if min FPS touched them in a bad placed?

 

[Skurge]

Wow,

This forum is just becoming comic. I find this thread infinity more entertaining than the review.

Techspot review is half-assed. It's avg FPS then, average 99p framtimes. That means nothing to me. It doesn't even have any graphs.

This tells me a lot more about which card is smoother.

This doesn't really tell me much if there is much stuttering or not.

I guess you guys just want more info, even if it's not very useful. AT maybe dragging their feet, but at least Ryan wants to do it right when he does. We will see what happens.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

It's funny that the most people that object to more DETAILED performance analyze...seems too favour AMD...I wonder if min FPS touched them in a bad placed?

No, people are against including a *single instance* of a number that dips to an extremely low value for a fraction of a second, regardless of the vendor of the card or game. That is an anomaly or outlier and can be discarded as such. Playing a game for 30 minutes and FPS drops *once* to 8 for 1/10 of a second and recording it as minimum FPS is absolutely not representative of performance. Not at all. It could have been easily caused by several factors outside of anything related to video cards. Recording that single instance would be a useless number.

It's not hard to understand their rationale and they have a very valid point. No wonder you are so argumentative in every thread you post in. You do not understand other peoples' points and never seem to be the least bit interested in trying to understand them, so you just argue to the point of ruining threads.

 

[Lonbjerg]

No, people are against including a *single instance* of a number that dips to an extremely low value for a fraction of a second, regardless of the vendor of the card or game. That is an anomaly or outlier and can be discarded as such. Playing a game for 30 minutes and FPS drops *once* to 8 for 1/10 of a second and recording it as minimum FPS is absolutely not representative of performance. Not at all. It could have been easily caused by several factors outside of anything related to video cards. Recording that single instance would be a useless number.

It's not hard to understand their rationale and they have a very valid point. No wonder you are so argumentative in every thread you post in. You do not understand other peoples' points and never seem to be the least bit interested in trying to understand them, so you just argue to the point of ruining threads.

Bollocks.
Nice way to put Words into my mouth...but useless...just like a SINGLE FPS number is USELESS

I want FPS-graps, I want min-avg-max, I want framtimes...not just a single useless number.

Next time...don't waste your time misrepresenting my views...you are CLEARY not qualifed for that task.

TL;DR
Wasted attempt at misrepresenting my stance...while ignoring the facts.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Bollocks.
Nice way to put Words into my mouth...but useless...just like a SINGLE FPS number is USELESS

I want FPS-graps, I want min-avg-max, I want framtimes...not just a single useless number.

Next time...don't waste your time misrepresenting my views...you are CLEARY not qualifed for that task.

Oh the irony. You do that everyday.

 

[Keysplayr]

Like I predicted...now I am the problem...not this FUD

Well, its kind of true. Your posts right off the bat seethe with hostility.
Can ya just put a pin in that hostility and come back to it later?

 

[AnandThenMan]

I just lost a couple million brain cells reading this thread... I'm still more intelligent than some people posting in it...

Keeeeeeeeeeep reading, there is still time.

Lonbjerg can you just calm down and enjoy life? Why so angry, it's not healthy.

 

[Keysplayr]

I just lost a couple million brain cells reading this thread... I'm still more intelligent than some people posting in it...

So you have a little less junk in your trunk now?
j/k

 

[Lonbjerg]

Why do people insist on lying and calling me mad?
People are such delicate wnakers today...but I guess since poster fires at me....it's Means they hope this will get ignored:

Having a single number for FPS in 2013 is a joke

 

[badb0y]

Compared to the GTX 680, the GTX Titan averaged 42% faster in our frames per second testing and 29% faster in our frame time testing. ...... It also dispatched the HD 7970 GHz Edition with an average of 30% more frames per second and 25% better frame latency.

So is the whole "Radeon cards stutter more" myth busted? According to the Techspot article it seems like GTX 680/HD 7970 Ghz are pretty much the same when it comes to frame latency.

I know Crossfire is still at a disadvantage compared to SLi but last month there was a lot of rambling about single Radeon cards being stuttery.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't understand this frame time thing. Time to google the crap out of it.

 

[Pohemi]

Derp, Lonbjerg. Derp.

 

[Skurge]

So is the whole "Radeon cards stutter more" myth busted? According to the Techspot article it seems like GTX 680/HD 7970 Ghz are pretty much the same when it comes to frame latency.

I know Crossfire is still at a disadvantage compared to SLi but last month there was a lot of rambling about single Radeon cards being stuttery.

They are measuring framtime avg only, which I think isn't the right way to do things. But I do believe there isn't really much to go on about this. nVidia cards have games they have "stutters in"

 

[Grooveriding]

ragecase

 

[Nintendesert]

Dang, this thread kinda delivers in the scary I hope he doesn't have access to sharp instruments kind of way.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why do people insist on lying and calling me mad?
People are such delicate wnakers today...but I guess since poster fires at me....it's Means they hope this will get ignored:

Having a single number for FPS in 2013 is a joke

I'll go so far as to agree with you that just giving us an average FPS number is not enough today. But neither is just a min/avg/max FPS, without that being graphed over time those numbers aren't much more meaningful.

But geez man, look at your posts. There is no AMD conspiracy to not see frame timings. Both AMD and Nvidia suffer from this 'problem' from what I've read and seen.

What you're claiming, how things matter/don't matter is definitely a two way street. Remember when the GTX590 and GTX680 launched and didn't allow for software voltage control (after Nvidia shut that down) and Nvidia fans all swore up and down that no one pushes voltage to that level of enthusiast card? Then I started to read the Titan review thread in this forum, overvolting is suddenly a good thing again.

 

[wand3r3r]

Longberg (My personality is who I am...) vs. AT forums

 

[WelshBloke]

Longberg (My personality is who I am...) vs. AT forums

Wierd thing is he's actually agreeing with what BFG said but at the same time arguing against him.