[Techspot] BCLK overclocking non-K Intel Skylake CPUs is now possible, tested here

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Madpacket

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Hah, figured this would happen. Like I said earlier Intel makes a lot more money of Z series chipsets, much more than B or H. The prevention of overclocking on lesser chipsets is artificial and has nothing to do with being them being [more] out of spec, it's all about the money as usual.

They either make it off he overpriced chipsets or the CPU itself. This is why we need competition.
 

ShintaiDK

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Hah, figured this would happen. Like I said earlier Intel makes a lot more money of Z series chipsets, much more than B or H. The prevention of overclocking on lesser chipsets is artificial and has nothing to do with being them being [more] out of spec, it's all about the money as usual.

They either make it off he overpriced chipsets or the CPU itself. This is why we need competition.

You think competition would solve this? I dont.

In the end of the day we are going to pay up. Its just a matter of who pays most.
 

VirtualLarry

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You think competition would solve this? I dont.

The only way that Intel gets away with its greed with both mobo mfgs, OEMs, and consumers, is because there is no competitive alternative.

Or do you think it was by accident that Intel decided to lock out OCing starting with Sandy Bridge, just when AMD couldn't field a good alternative?

Or that Intel is now allowing BCLK OC again, now that AMD may have a competitive alternative waiting in the wings with Zen?
 

Madpacket

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You think competition would solve this? I dont.

In the end of the day we are going to pay up. Its just a matter of who pays most.

Yes competition would solve these types of issues. That's how a healthy competitive market works.

Intel loses me as a customer for this stupid decision. I won't be buying a Core i3-6100 which I was planning on doing because they squashed the ability of bclock overclocking on non Z boards. I don't care that you can buy cheap Z series boards, they'll never be as cheap as B or H series and these artificial limitations is simply a slap in the face as a consumer.
 

Burpo

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Lol.. Artificial limitations? You do realize you're wanting to change the base clock of a binned CPU? Besides, the bios (s) are already out there to do just that. If you want to use them on your H board, I'm sure you can find them from someone.
 
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Yes competition would solve these types of issues. That's how a healthy competitive market works.

Intel loses me as a customer for this stupid decision. I won't be buying a Core i3-6100 which I was planning on doing because they squashed the ability of bclock overclocking on non Z boards. I don't care that you can buy cheap Z series boards, they'll never be as cheap as B or H series and these artificial limitations is simply a slap in the face as a consumer.

Lol, your loss.
 

Madpacket

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Lol.. Artificial limitations? You do realize you're wanting to change the base clock of a binned CPU?

Yes this is an artificial limitation or unnecessary restrictions imposed by Intel simply to make more money. It's unnecessary market segmentation simply for the sake of making more money. I get why they do it, because they can get away with it due to lack of competition. Why do they support bclock on Z series for "binned" CPU's (all CPU's are binned BTW). What separates a Z series chipset from a B series from a bclock perspective?

Making AsRock pull back the bclock BIOS's on non Z boards is bully tactics, plus the gimping of the G3258's on Windows 10 release are all signs of a lack of competition.
 
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crashtech

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It's my loss for not giving Intel any money? That's some twisted logic.
Not really, an i3-6100 plus an $80 Z170 board provides about the best price/performance ratio out there for those who want cutting edge features and leading ST performance.
 

Burpo

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. Why do they support bclock on Z series for "binned" CPU's (all CPU's are binned BTW). What separates a Z series chipset from a B series from a bclock perspective?

Of course all cpu's are binned, K model specifically for overclocking, others not..

What separates Z from B is likely mosfets, VRM's and voltage phases..
 

Madpacket

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Not really, an i3-6100 plus an $80 Z170 board provides about the best price/performance ratio out there for those who want cutting edge features and leading ST performance.

Sure if you can live with the identified compromises and are specifically building a mid range gaming box with questionable future support I don't disagree. However I'm not depriving myself of anything by choosing not to purchase this, I have much better systems already (yes by Intel). I only wanted a cheap combo for testing purposes but won't support the lack of ethical behaviour Intel is displaying here.

It may appear like I'm overreacting but these things add up over time and really start to grind my gears

Sadly I don't see Zen bringing the necessary competition but I really hope I'm wrong.
 

Madpacket

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Of course all cpu's are binned, K model specifically for overclocking, others not..

What separates Z from B is likely mosfets, VRM's and voltage phases..

OK so how good are the MOSFETs, VRM's and number of voltage phases on this $70.00 Z10 board that makes this a worthwhile combo? Also how much stress, voltage and heat would a Dual CPU Core i3-6100 generate once overclocked? Maybe you'll see where I'm going here.
 

Burpo

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People don't just use i3's with these boards tho. Intel tests different manufacturers boards and bios settings. If these settings are not in alignment with the specifications given to the board manufacturers by Intel, they're going to respond.
 

crashtech

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I'm pretty confident that a Z170, that is made to take the load of at least a mildly OCed 6700K, is not gonna be hurt by an i3, ever.
 

Phynaz

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Yes competition would solve these types of issues. That's how a healthy competitive market works.

Intel loses me as a customer for this stupid decision. I won't be buying a Core i3-6100 which I was planning on doing because they squashed the ability of bclock overclocking on non Z boards. I don't care that you can buy cheap Z series boards, they'll never be as cheap as B or H series and these artificial limitations is simply a slap in the face as a consumer.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You're only hurting yourself.
 

ShintaiDK

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The price difference between Z170 and H170/H110/B150 is very small. The rest is mobo cost. And that's whats going to hurt you.
 

SPBHM

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The price difference between Z170 and H170/H110/B150 is very small. The rest is mobo cost. And that's whats going to hurt you.

checking the Intel website Z170 costs $47 while H110 $26, that's a huge difference.
 

ShintaiDK

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checking the Intel website Z170 costs $47 while H110 $26, that's a huge difference.

They dont pay list prices. They pay much less, specially for Z170 and Q170. Q170 list price is 47$ too. I doubt anyone pays more than 25-30$ for Z170 and 18-20$ for H110.

H110 is 50$ as cheapest, Z170 is 80$. And of that cost we have to remember shipping etc that is a static cost for both. End of the day you end up getting what you pay for.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157682&cm_re=z170-_-13-157-682-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128873&cm_re=h110-_-13-128-873-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130892&cm_re=z170-_-13-130-892-_-Product

Not exactly the same boards if you look past the chipset.
 
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LTC8K6

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If Intel is not concerned about this sort of thing, then there would be no reason for them not to release an unlocked i3.

Since they won't release an unlocked i3, I think it's safe to assume that Intel is not going to be happy about these bclk developments.

Oh well...
 

LTC8K6

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Imagine if Ford segregated their vehicles for sale like Intel does their CPUs.

You wouldn't be allowed to have a back-up camera on any vehicle that sold for less than $50,000, and the mfg would sue any dealer that installed a back-up camera on a cheaper vehicle.

Yeah, that's what Intel is doing here, preventing BCLK OC on motherboards with less than Z170 chipsets.

Except that a backup warning system is mandated by the US government...
 

Magic Carpet

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There is already Non-Z memory overclocking implemented on some boards. I wonder if you could OC K chips with that. This board is certainly capable of some mild overclocking. Lack of expansion options but hey, it's dirt cheap! With computer chips changing sockets nearly every generation, I see little reason to spend much money on a board unless you need extra functionality/warranty. This bare minimum works just fine (ASRock H110M-HDS + 6700K + 2x8GB DDR4), and if it dies 3 years later, fair enough, 6700K will be very easy to sell, put the memory into your next build, *lake or whatever is the latest. I bet, U.2 will come as standard by then, might upgrade your storage as well. Easy peasy and for less $.

And if you need more MT power and/or mGPU capability, 115x is just the wrong socket, all together. 2011 is where you should be.

 
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