Techspot: Haswell-E vs Dual Xeon (SB-EP)

[Ferzerp]

You'll want to be able to return it if needed. The used cpu I bought a while back, i7 980x, had a bent pin and I was able to return it.

Even when buying new you'll want a return policy too. You want to test everything out that you can before the return policy time is up. So run memtest, etc... Make sure all the ram slots work, etc...

The other part that you probably won't notice till later is compatibility issues. Hopefully you don't have any problems. I try to stay in the mainstream so I can run linux and other things without having problems. Just make sure to research everything out well. Especially if you want to run linux later.

LGA cpu with a bent pin you say?

 

[Net]

LGA cpu with a bent pin you say?

oh right, lol. The pins were on the motherboard for that one. It was a bent pin on the mobo.

 

[tenks]

You'll want to be able to return it if needed. The used cpu I bought a while back, i7 980x, had a bent pin and I was able to return it.

Even when buying new you'll want a return policy too. You want to test everything out that you can before the return policy time is up. So run memtest, etc... Make sure all the ram slots work, etc...

The other part that you probably won't notice till later is compatibility issues. Hopefully you don't have any problems. I try to stay in the mainstream so I can run linux and other things without having problems. Just make sure to research everything out well. Especially if you want to run linux later.

Thanks. The CPU I'm buying is from Amazon's 3rd party market place and they have a 30 day money back guarantee. After that I guess I'm on my own?

The motherboard is off craigslist. The user has provided pictures for me, it looks immaculate. He said he never overclocked the board and bought it in early 2013. Used 4 dimms of DDR3-2133. x79 Sabertooh, $165 shipped.


So my main questions are, will the low clocks of the e5-2670 effect me that much? Will multicore enhancement from the asus motherboard work on it/Xeons in general? Will I be able to run higher clocked ram with it? like DDR3-2133...The article in this thread used DDR3-1866 because it was a server board limitation..

This is in place of a planned $2000ish broadwell-e build, so I'd be saving at at least $500-$600 in the motherboard+cpu department. Recycling case and 650w corsair power supply, getting more ram (currently have 16gig ddr3, want 32-64gig). Recycling an SSD and HDD, buying 1 more SSD. I'm getting a new video card when they get refreshed this summer, regardless.

Primary tasks are Adobe Creative Suite, mainly Premiere Pro, Photoshop, AfterEffects and LightRoom. Currently on a borrowed i5 760 lynnfield. Had to give my old 2600k system back to old employer. I know this will be a major improvement over my current system, its just I've been waiting on Broadwell-E for so long, its only a few more months to go..But again an 8Core BD-E is going to be at least $700-$1000..So its that or this $70 8core Sandy-EP..

Sorry for the long drawn out post, but I respect the opinions here and I typically never by used stuff..But this $70 intel 8core is just dangling in my face...Am I being stupid?

 

[Burpo]

Not stupid to save money and still get a system that works for you.

I'm still using X58 because I got a new Sabertooth that had USB3 & SATA3. It does everything I need..

 

[Net]

it looks good. If you're coming from that system and based on the type of work you're doing you'll definitely be happy with the performance

slickdeals has been having some good SSD deals recently. Here's one that's going on http://slickdeals.net/f/8655258-cru...e-fs-w-prime-or-49?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBar

 

[tenks]

it looks good. If you're coming from that system and based on the type of work you're doing you'll definitely be happy with the performance

slickdeals has been having some good SSD deals recently. Here's one that's going on http://slickdeals.net/f/8655258-cru...e-fs-w-prime-or-49?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBar

Holy chit! those are rediculous deals..I'm a Samsung Evo guy...how do these crucials compare?


Edit: Ouch I just read Anandtech's review of them. They get pooped on.

 

[Net]

Holy chit! those are rediculous deals..I'm a Samsung Evo guy...how do these crucials compare?


Edit: Ouch I just read Anandtech's review of them. They get pooped on.

I haven't used them myself. My impression was that they wouldn't be for speed, just for good cheap SSD. Maybe if you're looking for another drive for storage.

I have a Samsung Evo 850 I have this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147374&Tpk=20-147-374

and I love it

 

[Face2Face]

Holy chit! those are rediculous deals..I'm a Samsung Evo guy...how do these crucials compare?


Edit: Ouch I just read Anandtech's review of them. They get pooped on.

I have the 480GB model in my Alienware Alpha. No problems and it's fast. With all of the SATA 3 SSDs I own, I can't tell a difference in the day to day...

 

[tenks]

I haven't used them myself. My impression was that they wouldn't be for speed, just for good cheap SSD. Maybe if you're looking for another drive for storage.

I have a Samsung Evo 850 I have this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147374&Tpk=20-147-374

and I love it

Yea..it's kinda for storage. I'm setting up multiple SSDs for individual I/O for video editing. 240gig 840 evo boot atm..wanted to get a 500gb 850 evo for scratch disk and another for media..Crucial seemed to have inconsitant performance results and reliability issues. It could be great but I wasn't ready to buy based on the non-glowing reviews I Read. The storage is the last thing I need to worry about atm. Thanks for all your help guys!

 

[tenks]

Thoughts on used coolers? any different then any other used comptuer parts? trying to get him to throw in his noctua d14 for $40

 

[Net]

I have a noctua and I love it. It keeps my cpu chilly. My i7 3770k is overclocked from 3.5 GHz to 4.6GHz with it. And I usually keep it on the low fan setting unless I'm under full load, then I bump it up to the high fan setting.

It's one big mofo though. I have to be careful of the ram I buy to make sure the heatsinks on the ram fit undereath the noctua. https://www.profesionalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/review-nh-d15-18.jpg

justinbaileyman would be good to talk to. He's at the end of this thread and looks like he did some research in that area for the 2670, not sure if he just research watercooled stuff or not but worth asking http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2464901&page=9

Edit: that's a good deal on the noctua. If after your research it works for your system I'd get it. I like it a lot.

 

[NAC]

So the $309 ASROCK board was in stock at Newegg Monday from late morning until about 4pm. I was hesitant if I wanted to spend the money for this upgrade, and also hesitant if I should wait for the $279 board to come back in stock. At about 4 I convinced myself to go for it. I add it to my cart and the stock was gone. ACK!!

So it is. I wont hesitate on the next one.

Also, there is this ASUS board, which maybe Amazon will get back in stock. It is more expensive, but ATX sized, so I wouldn't have to spend money on a new large tower. But cooling will be a bit tricky with my case. If I get a large tower, I'll use 2 * 120mm AIO water coolers - probably my Antec 920 and a new Corsair H60. I figure that will give better performance at reasonable noise than trying to cram two big heatsinks next to each other. But my case only has space for one 120 exhaust fan.

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Intel-LG...76&sr=8-1&keywords=c602+2011+dual+motherboard

 

[tenks]

When you hesitate like that, despite convinving yourself at 4am, and then try later and fail, I feel like that stuff is meant to be. At least for me. If I'm only half certain I dont pull the trigger..For example I have the x79 sabertooth and noctua d14 ready to go for $200 shipped..I haven't pulled the trigger yet...BD-E is teasing me..


Yea I came across that board in my research as well. There is the Z9PA-D8 and the Z9PE-D8. The A version is the ATX form factor and doesn't have onboard audio. The E version is SSI EEB form factor, a little bit bigger than the A, has onboard audio and a little higher quality build, supports higher ram speeds, more sata ports etc.

I was looking at both. I decided that I didn't want to invest $300 into x79/C02 platform...I'd invest $300 into x99 though!

 

[mustek550]

Ive decided to jump on this wild ride. Cant pass up those processors at that price.

I was able to get 2 e5-2670 for $125 on ebay.
Then found a motherboard for not too bad price after they started going through the roof. Supermicro X9DAE-O for $400. Sure its high for an old mobo but the rest with similar features had shot up to $600 $800.
Sata 3. Usb3 and Multi pice x16

I wanted the asus one but it was nowhere to be found.

Looking at 64GB ecc 1600mhz ram on ebay for . $140

It appears that I have to drill the case some new holes to fit a supermicro board which shouldent be too bad.

This should be a huge upgrade from my. Well previous I920 which I had just upgraded to an X5660. This new system should eat Cinema 4D and hopefully premiere and friends too!

Not sure yet on coolers if standard Socket 2011 fit the supermicro board. And may have to get a new PSU with dual cpu power lines.

Wishing the rest of you Luck on this wonderful event!

 

[tenks]

Ive decided to jump on this wild ride. Cant pass up those processors at that price.

I was able to get 2 e5-2670 for $125 on ebay.
Then found a motherboard for not too bad price after they started going through the roof. Supermicro X9DAE-O for $400. Sure its high for an old mobo but the rest with similar features had shot up to $600 $800.
Sata 3. Usb3 and Multi pice x16

I wanted the asus one but it was nowhere to be found.

Looking at 64GB ecc 1600mhz ram on ebay for . $140

It appears that I have to drill the case some new holes to fit a supermicro board which shouldent be too bad.

This should be a huge upgrade from my. Well previous I920 which I had just upgraded to an X5660. This new system should eat Cinema 4D and hopefully premiere and friends too!

Not sure yet on coolers if standard Socket 2011 fit the supermicro board. And may have to get a new PSU with dual cpu power lines.

Wishing the rest of you Luck on this wonderful event!

I was going to jump into this as well, but after pricing everything out, a new Broadwell-E system would only cost about $300 more over a single e5...and be about the same for a dual e5..I'm holding off right now...

I have a x79 sabertooth and noctua D14 se2011 lined up for $200..but I just can't pull the trigger..

 

[Net]

I was going to jump into this as well, but after pricing everything out, a new Broadwell-E system would only cost about $300 more over a single e5...and be about the same for a dual e5..I'm holding off right now...

I have a x79 sabertooth and noctua D14 se2011 lined up for $200..but I just can't pull the trigger..

Do you have a microcenter near you? Every so often they have great deals.

Back in 2013 I got my i7 3770k for $230 and asus p8z77-vlk for $125. And its still going strong. I have it overclocked to 4.6GHz and just upgrade to 24GB of ram.

 

[tenks]

Do you have a microcenter near you? Every so often they have great deals.

Back in 2013 I got my i7 3770k for $230 and asus p8z77-vlk for $125. And its still going strong. I have it overclocked to 4.6GHz and just upgrade to 24GB of ram.

Nearest one is about an hour+ drive. I've been waiting this long for BD-E, not going to give up with less than 2 months to go. An 8core Xeon for $75 was just so damn tempting though...

 

[NAC]

So all week I hit refresh regularly to see if Newegg got any more of the ASROCK C602 motherboards in stock. On Friday, just about the last thing I did before leaving work to go home was hit refresh one more time. Surely it wouldn't show up in stock at about 5pm EST when it wasn't there the last time I checked - perhaps an hour or two prior?

It did. Took me a second to realize my luck, that the add to cart button was there. So, I bought it - the $309 model ASRock EP2C602-4L/D16, and it immediately was out of stock. Perhaps they only got one in. Anyway, it is in the mail.

I got 2 * e5-2670 for $122 shipped, and just got 16*4gb DDR ECC registered 1.35 volt ram for $80 shipped. I would have gotten just 32 gigs of ram, but am worried that a stick could break in the future. So rather than pay like $40 for 8 sticks and if something breaks I'll need to hunt down matching ram, or like $60 for 9 sticks to have one extra, I figured I'd just get 16 sticks and if something breaks I'll run on 32 gigs (and sell some of the working sticks to those poor folks looking for matching ram).

Case. Need a E-ATX case, and I like the Fractal Design XL R2. $130. Cooling. I decided that rather than blow warm air around the case with a regular heatsink, I should get warm air out of the case with AIO watercoolers. The Fractal can fit a 240mm radiator on the top, and a 140mm radiator on the back. So splurged on a Corsair H90 140mm radiator, and the cheapest 240mm I could get (Enermax). Both were on sale $150 total after rebates. Next up is a USB 3 card, and Windows Pro $75 total.

I'll be re-using my power supply, video card and SSD/HD. Looks like it will be at least a week before everything gets here and I can start building.

CAN'T WAIT!

 

[tenks]

So all week I hit refresh regularly to see if Newegg got any more of the ASROCK C602 motherboards in stock. On Friday, just about the last thing I did before leaving work to go home was hit refresh one more time. Surely it wouldn't show up in stock at about 5pm EST when it wasn't there the last time I checked - perhaps an hour or two prior?

It did. Took me a second to realize my luck, that the add to cart button was there. So, I bought it - the $309 model ASRock EP2C602-4L/D16, and it immediately was out of stock. Perhaps they only got one in. Anyway, it is in the mail.

I got 2 * e5-2670 for $122 shipped, and just got 16*4gb DDR ECC registered 1.35 volt ram for $80 shipped. I would have gotten just 32 gigs of ram, but am worried that a stick could break in the future. So rather than pay like $40 for 8 sticks and if something breaks I'll need to hunt down matching ram, or like $60 for 9 sticks to have one extra, I figured I'd just get 16 sticks and if something breaks I'll run on 32 gigs (and sell some of the working sticks to those poor folks looking for matching ram).

Case. Need a E-ATX case, and I like the Fractal Design XL R2. $130. Cooling. I decided that rather than blow warm air around the case with a regular heatsink, I should get warm air out of the case with AIO watercoolers. The Fractal can fit a 240mm radiator on the top, and a 140mm radiator on the back. So splurged on a Corsair H90 140mm radiator, and the cheapest 240mm I could get (Enermax). Both were on sale $150 total after rebates. Next up is a USB 3 card, and Windows Pro $75 total.

I'll be re-using my power supply, video card and SSD/HD. Looks like it will be at least a week before everything gets here and I can start building.

CAN'T WAIT!

Nice man! I took my internal struggle to the adobe forums and told them what I was wanting to do and after breaking all the pricing down a new Broadwell-E system would only cost me $300 more than the planned single e5-2670+x79...When I looked at it like that, as this will be my main and only rig, I couldn't justify buying 4 year old hardware. A new 6 core would be faster than that 8core at least for what I'm doing (adobe creative suite).

Anyway, I'm stoked for you. You're making me reconsider! gar!!..I have to give the guy my final answer by Monday for the x79 sabertooth...

 

[mustek550]

I can understand waiting for the broadwell and it may verywell be faster in some uses. But for me I believe the dual e5's will be quite a bit faster in cinema 4d. Also im looking forward to the e5 v2's dropping in price one day for a nice upgrade. Looks like up to 12 core chips will be available or much faster 8 core chips.

 

[tenks]

I can understand waiting for the broadwell and it may verywell be faster in some uses. But for me I believe the dual e5's will be quite a bit faster in cinema 4d. Also im looking forward to the e5 v2's dropping in price one day for a nice upgrade. Looks like up to 12 core chips will be available or much faster 8 core chips.

Most definitely. I wasn't implying they weren't fast, just for my situation, I think I'd rather spend the extra money and have a newer platform. Video editing performance, at least in premiere, is dependent on whole system performance.

 

[mustek550]

Most definitely. I wasn't implying they weren't fast, just for my situation, I think I'd rather spend the extra money and have a newer platform. Video editing performance, at least in premiere, is dependent on whole system performance.

True. Unfortunately it appears that premiere and after effects wont fully use all the cores past about 10 which sucks, so that new platform should be much faster for that. Wish I could just build a modern system with two brand new xeons :-D Maybe one day.

 

[jhu]

True. Unfortunately it appears that premiere and after effects wont fully use all the cores past about 10 which sucks, so that new platform should be much faster for that. Wish I could just build a modern system with two brand new xeons :-D Maybe one day.

Nothing stopping you. Unless you don't have the money...

 

[tenks]

True. Unfortunately it appears that premiere and after effects wont fully use all the cores past about 10 which sucks, so that new platform should be much faster for that. Wish I could just build a modern system with two brand new xeons :-D Maybe one day.

Yea...learning that changed everything for me...An 8core/16thread wasn't necessary (for premiere) and that a fast 6c/12th would be in the sweet spot...Although I don't understand why so many pro editing rigs have dual cpus and 12+ cores...

 

[NAC]

True. Unfortunately it appears that premiere and after effects wont fully use all the cores past about 10 which sucks, so that new platform should be much faster for that. Wish I could just build a modern system with two brand new xeons :-D Maybe one day.

What benchmarks have you seen indicating that? I thought I've seen benchmarks to the reverse - that it will use up the cores. Regardless, my new rig is on the way so I can benchmark it myself and will let you know.