Ted Cruz....beta, low t

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Sonikku

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I think I would support Trump sooner than Cruz. With Cruz you just want to sock him in the face after listening him for five minutes. I think I would take Dubya over that guy. And his net neutrality is obamacare for the internet spiel? The guy is so plainly in everybody's pocket it isn't even funny.
 

Sonikku

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democrats rejected Hillary when she ran against Obama because of reasons.

Now she is the best person ever to be president and everyone has to vote for her.


Stay stupid liberals.

Democrats rejected Hillary when she ran against Obama because Obama was a better option. (relatively speaking) I stand by that belief today. I have so many criticisms of the man. But sadly, looking forward at who the country is eyeing to replace him, I think I would rather have 4 more years of Obama than 4 years with either of these candidates.
 

Commodus

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I think I would support Trump sooner than Cruz. With Cruz you just want to sock him in the face after listening him for five minutes. I think I would take Dubya over that guy. And his net neutrality is obamacare for the internet spiel? The guy is so plainly in everybody's pocket it isn't even funny.

I'm not sure which one is worse. Trump is incompetent, racist, sexist and petty, but I wouldn't want Cruz's brand of competence, either. I've heard him described as "reptilian," and that seems apt. He lies all the time like Trump, but for different reasons: where Trump is just saying whatever he feels will get him praise in the moment (hence his tendency to lie about having lied, even when it's on the record), Cruz is very Machiavellian. He's all about consolidating power, on wrecking the democratic process so that he and his faction of the GOP get ahead.

I would take Bush Jr. over him too... just so long as Cheney, Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives are permanently banned from saying so much as "hello" to him. Bush's problem wasn't so much that he isn't bright (he isn't), but that the brighter people he surrounded himself with had an evil agenda: create an artificial good-versus-evil view of the world, even if it means lying about the reasons for war and setting back civil liberties. I suspect we really would have gotten more moderate conservatism if Bush had chosen less hardline members for his administration.
 

MtnMan

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Spineless worm. We all knew he was a worm, but he actually showed some guts at the Repub convention - then he does this.
And the he became invisible and a has-run nobody which is unacceptable to people like this worm.
 

Balt

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I think I would support Trump sooner than Cruz. With Cruz you just want to sock him in the face after listening him for five minutes. I think I would take Dubya over that guy. And his net neutrality is obamacare for the internet spiel? The guy is so plainly in everybody's pocket it isn't even funny.

I might too, but it would be a tough call. Trump can do plenty of damage, but I mostly just find him to be a buffoon with a bad temper and no real understanding of how anything works. I think he'd be easily manipulated, which is a problem.

Cruz, on the other hand, is actually pretty smart. Unfortunately, he's also a delusional egomaniac (he seems to think he was chosen by God to be president) with some really fucked up ideas.
 

Sonikku

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Trump is more like a hurricane. Certainly destructive, but not necessarily inherently evil. Cruz is in comparison is like a Sith Lord.
 
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Trump is more like a hurricane. Certainly destructive, but not necessarily inherently evil. Cruz is in comparison is like a Sith Lord.
sorry, I strongly disagree, drumpf is pretty much evil incarnate. Not cruz level, he really doesn't bang that religious ideology drum as hard, but he still leaves a swath of destruction behind him, knowing full well what he's doing
"I'm smart" (in reference to him not paying taxes)
"grab them by the pussy"
"you have to treat them like shit"
etc
 

zinfamous

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I don't see how I could possibly comfort myself in the world of a Trump presidency by telling myself: "Gee, it could have been worse with that completely never-possible world of a Cruz presidency!"
 

Commodus

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Trump strikes me as a 12-year-old boy that might have grown up physically, but not mentally. Think about it: he has an extremely fragile ego, he can't control himself around girls, he launches childish insults, he's only concerned about his own wealth and he has zero sense of decorum (such as his wonderfully immature "wrong" interruptions during the debates). All the hallmarks of a spoiled brat who never had anyone ground him in the real world.

Cruz? Well, imagine Francis from House of Cards without a willingness to offer short-term compromises in the name of long-term gain. Intelligent, conniving, but (thankfully) held back by his stubbornness.
 

agent00f

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So you're saying that the email simply meant "H-hey, if you keep attacking me, I-I'm gonna attack you back, meanie!"? Considering that Sanders continued to attack Clinton for Wall Street money and yada-yada, I'm curious what Clinton's leverage against him was in the first place, because he was attacked more for policy than character during the debates iirc.

Sander works with the democrats in congress and depend on support from their base which is how he ran this time in the first place, of course they have leverage over him.
 

agent00f

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Also, to elaborate on the previous post, Sander's success this round also means he has leverage over the democrats, it's hardly a one way street. Politics is the game of exploiting all these advantages.

People can of course choose not to play for an assortment of reasons, but as they say don't hate the player hate the game.
 
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