Ted Cruz Explained

[dank69]

We (the people) have been trying to force sizable cuts for 30 or more years. At some point, drastic steps must be taken.

And that's exactly what the rich elite want you to think should be done. First, cut their taxes by selling you on the idea that it will help them create jobs. Then, when deficits go up, point fingers at the benefits and services the government provides as the problem. Play all of us against each other. Look over there! Firemen/police and other government workers are getting benefits and pensions that you don't get! The solution isn't that we need to provide these things for the people that do the work that makes us rich, the solution is to take away those benefits in the public sector because you are paying for them! Even now, after reading this, you are going to reply with some canned talking point that amounts to "taxes are stealing" instead of getting upset at having been taken advantage of. You won't risk damaging your ego and will instead fight to keep more money in filthy rich people's pockets and lower the standard of services you receive for the tax money you pay.

 

[Jhhnn]

We (the people) have been trying to force sizable cuts for 30 or more years. At some point, drastic steps must be taken.

Which is what every fascist in History claimed.

The teahadists are a *minority*. You are not the majority, and never will be. In the context of a democratic republic, your views need to be addressed, not necessarily catered to, and certainly not under threat of extortion.

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

 

[TerryMathews]

Which is what every fascist in History claimed.

The teahadists are a *minority*. You are not the majority, and never will be. In the context of a democratic republic, your views need to be addressed, not necessarily catered to, and certainly not under threat of extortion.

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

I could change your post to the opening remarks at a klan rally by switching just one word.

Maybe that should be a clue that the content of your post isn't well formed?

 

[Perknose]

Which is what every fascist in History claimed.

The teahadists are a *minority*. You are not the majority, and never will be. In the context of a democratic republic, your views need to be addressed, not necessarily catered to, and certainly not under threat of extortion.

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

I could change your post to the opening remarks at a klan rally by switching just one word.

No, you couldn't. Yours is a ridiculous assertion. Because, yeah, Klan rhetoric about blacks, against a background of a burning cross and a history of lynching goes, "Your (black) views need to be addressed, not necessarily catered to."

You should be embarrassed by your lame attempt at false equivalence. Lets see if you have enough integrity to admit this.

 

[Jaskalas]

cruz worked on the bush campaign.

There was a time many of us supported Bush. I'll take note that Cruz is not a pure ideologue, but that doesn't disqualify him from leading the charge to do the right thing today.

he was also one of the 76 senators who supported mccain and graham's waging war against iran.

That's a more serious problem. The warmongering aspect of the GOP needs to be evicted from the Tea Party. Although, I've a feeling we'll be too busy at home to launch any wars halfway across the planet.

he wants to run for president in 2016, he is a political opportunist.

why do you support him over secession?

[link]

Is it one or the other? False choice. I view secession as inevitable.

Even if the Tea Party collapses and nothing more occurs from us, the Illegals in the Southwest will get this party started. All we have to do is hold together Libertarian values long enough. There's a remnant of Southern Culture still alive in the South, when the breakup of the Union begins they can be our host.

We just have to make sure we've taken down the Republicans, and the Red States will be ours.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Wut?

 

[dank69]

Wut?

If you're talking about Jask's post, yeah, that pretty much sums up my reaction as well.

 

[BUnit1701]

And that's exactly what the rich elite want you to think should be done. First, cut their taxes by selling you on the idea that it will help them create jobs. Then, when deficits go up, point fingers at the benefits and services the government provides as the problem. Play all of us against each other. Look over there! Firemen/police and other government workers are getting benefits and pensions that you don't get! The solution isn't that we need to provide these things for the people that do the work that makes us rich, the solution is to take away those benefits in the public sector because you are paying for them! Even now, after reading this, you are going to reply with some canned talking point that amounts to "taxes are stealing" instead of getting upset at having been taken advantage of. You won't risk damaging your ego and will instead fight to keep more money in filthy rich people's pockets and lower the standard of services you receive for the tax money you pay.

I said nothing about taxes. We have a spending problem, no matter how you want to spin it. Yes, eventually, in order to pay the massive debts that have already been incurred, everyone is going to end up paying higher taxes. But the bottom line is that we have to spend less, on everything at the federal level.

Also, you people really need to stop with the 'O you want to get rid of firefighters' every time someone brings up spending and taxes. Firefighters are a LOCAL function. Not a federal one.

 

[dank69]

I said nothing about taxes. We have a spending problem, no matter how you want to spin it. Yes, eventually, in order to pay the massive debts that have already been incurred, everyone is going to end up paying higher taxes. But the bottom line is that we have to spend less, on everything at the federal level.

Also, you people really need to stop with the 'O you want to get rid of firefighters' every time someone brings up spending and taxes. Firefighters are a LOCAL function. Not a federal one.

It doesn't matter if you didn't say anything about taxes. I'm talking about what has already happened and how that led us to where we are. The rich are doing everything to keep you distracted from the fact that their taxes were cut and that is what created the budget deficits. They keep you distracted by pointing their fingers at spending, spending which benefits you even if you refuse to believe it.

Fire fighters are brought up because the central issue there is union busting, which hurts fire/police personnel even though conservatives don't like to think about that, they prefer to think the evil leeches with government jobs are the ones hurting the rest of us.

 

[Jaskalas]

Wut?

If you're talking about Jask's post, yeah, that pretty much sums up my reaction as well.

I believe I explain myself better in another topic.

To this topic, I say Ted Cruz may not be a perfect "Tea Partier" but anyone willing to lead the charge against the establishment has my support.

Another thing Anarchist mentioned was secession, and I think that's already in the bag no matter what any of us do. This country's divisions run too deep not to break up.

 

[compuwiz1]

I read where someone posted, perhaps on another forum, that Ted Cruz is doing what his constituents elected him to do. He went back to Texas and got a standing ovation for like 8 minutes.

 

[Jhhnn]

I read where someone posted, perhaps on another forum, that Ted Cruz is doing what his constituents elected him to do. He went back to Texas and got a standing ovation for like 8 minutes.

Well, yeh, at a Teahad rally.

WTF did you expect?

 

[Incorruptible]

I read where someone posted, perhaps on another forum, that Ted Cruz is doing what his constituents elected him to do. He went back to Texas and got a standing ovation for like 8 minutes.

He did receive a standing ovation. He stood up to obama and his ilk and is doing what the people wanted him to do.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/2...nding-ovation-return-tx-after-shutdown-battle

 

[Jhhnn]

He did receive a standing ovation. He stood up to obama and his ilk and is doing what the people wanted him to do.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/2...nding-ovation-return-tx-after-shutdown-battle

Well, yeh, at a Teahad rally.

WTF did you expect?

I doubt that it would be difficult at all to come up with 750 well indoctrinated idiots in San Antonio.

 

[compuwiz1]

Well, yeh, at a Teahad rally.

WTF did you expect?

I doubt that it would be difficult at all to come up with 750 well indoctrinated idiots in San Antonio.

Could do the same thing with a well indoctrinated cadre of Hillary leftremists in San Francisco too, so what is your point?

 

[Incorruptible]

Well, yeh, at a Teahad rally.

WTF did you expect?

I doubt that it would be difficult at all to come up with 750 well indoctrinated idiots in San Antonio.

I am still waiting for you to condemn radical Islam and jihad, it just shows who you really support.

 

[sm625]

The shutdown literally cost our country billions of dollars, hurt our financial credibility in the world, hurt countless regular Americans in many ways, and accomplished nothing good but assuaging the circus ego of Tea Party types.

What does this mean? Are you saying that when the guy with the $28K income who spends $38K a year and has $171K in credit card debt stops paying his credit cards, that is when the guy becomes a problem? So you think it was perfectly ok that this guy went into debt like this, that he was given all of that credit that would be impossible to pay back? ALL of that is ok right up until the moment he stops paying? Because it sure as hell sounds like that's what you're saying.

In case you are obtuse, the above numbers are a perfectly scaled analog of an individual vs the federal govt. $28K = 2.8 trillion federal revenue, $38K = 3.8 trillion federal spending, and $171K = $17 trillion national debt.

 

[destey]

Democrats have spent so much of our taxpayer money to buy elections, that when republicans try and put a stop to it the leeches cry foul. Then they try and say the country was harmed. What rubbish. The only harm is from each day the govt takes our money and redistributes it to buy votes. Every day the govt is shut down, is a good day for this country. My only wish is it would stay permanently shut down. But it won't because there are too many people gloming on to the large powerful entity called the federal govt so as to be close to its power. Democrats are like the brown nosers in the office, just trying to get a piece of the power or money.

 

[dank69]

What does this mean? Are you saying that when the guy with the $28K income who spends $38K a year and has $171K in credit card debt stops paying his credit cards, that is when the guy becomes a problem? So you think it was perfectly ok that this guy went into debt like this, that he was given all of that credit that would be impossible to pay back? ALL of that is ok right up until the moment he stops paying? Because it sure as hell sounds like that's what you're saying.

In case you are obtuse, the above numbers are a perfectly scaled analog of an individual vs the federal govt. $28K = 2.8 trillion federal revenue, $38K = 3.8 trillion federal spending, and $171K = $17 trillion national debt.

It only seems like that since you are an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about. An idiot who saw a funny video on the internet but lacks the basic cognitive skills to deduce if the message is really valid. For starters, the "guy" would have to have the ability to print more money.

 

[dank69]

Democrats have spent so much of our taxpayer money to buy elections, that when republicans try and put a stop to it the leeches cry foul. Then they try and say the country was harmed. What rubbish. The only harm is from each day the govt takes our money and redistributes it to buy votes. Every day the govt is shut down, is a good day for this country. My only wish is it would stay permanently shut down. But it won't because there are too many people gloming on to the large powerful entity called the federal govt so as to be close to its power. Democrats are like the brown nosers in the office, just trying to get a piece of the power or money.

I wish there was a way to push idiots like you into a parallel universe where all your hopes and dreams could come true without fucking the rest of us.

 

[Pocatello]

Ted Cruz, the new face of the GOP, for better or worse.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am still waiting for you to condemn radical Islam and jihad, it just shows who you really support.

Which would be germane to this discussion in what way?

Is the fact that I attribute the same sort of blind faith rigid ideological headset to them as I attribute to the Teahadists not enough? Does the fact that both claim the ends justify the means not have the same moral repugnance for you as it has for me?

What you're really looking for is a way to justify your own lack of self awareness, your own unevaluated life & belief structure. Lacking that, you have no free will beyond the indoctrination you've received, which is obviously quite extensive.

 

[Jaskalas]

I wish there was a way to push idiots like you into a parallel universe where all your hopes and dreams could come true without fucking the rest of us.

Parallel universe no,
Parallel country, yes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Could do the same thing with a well indoctrinated cadre of Hillary leftremists in San Francisco too, so what is your point?

Nobody's trying to puff up Hillary's image with claims about 8 minute standing ovations atm. Teahadists are just trying to give the impression that all of Texas cheers Cruz's stupidity, when that's far from true. It's an attempt to create a bandwagon effect.

Context matters, which is what I pointed out.

 

[Incorruptible]

Which would be germane to this discussion in what way?

Is the fact that I attribute the same sort of blind faith rigid ideological headset to them as I attribute to the Teahadists not enough? Does the fact that both claim the ends justify the means not have the same moral repugnance for you as it has for me?

What you're really looking for is a way to justify your own lack of self awareness, your own unevaluated life & belief structure. Lacking that, you have no free will beyond the indoctrination you've received, which is obviously quite extensive.

The Tea Party are in no way comparable to Jihadists, Only a worthless nutbar like yourself would believe that BS. The fact that you resort to insults means you have already lost the debate.