Ted Cruz goes full retard: Net Neutrality is Obamacare for Internet

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ElFenix

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Regardless of political team dynamics, here's an article from early in the year showing the states that prevent competition from municipalities, because reasons.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

texas's was written by a then-democrat, but when he was first elected to office, rick perry was also a democrat (as was pretty much every politician with state-wide ambitions). dude is currently perry's director of legislative affairs. still a conservative. (do you even sixth party system, bro?)
 

michal1980

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I typed in the same thing for my zip code:

http://broadbandnow.com/New-York/Brooklyn?zip=11218

Verizon DSL: available in my building, but DSL sucks. I don't consider it real broadband. (less than 1MB/second)

Cablevision: This is my provider.

FiOS: No service in my building.

TWC: No service in my building.

RCN: No service in my building.

So I have one real internet provider and one really shitty internet provider. Since I want real internet that I can stream movies, etc, over, I have only once choice. This has been the case for every building I've lived in in NYC, btw. A choice between shitty DSL and one cable provider.

I would have to say that Cablevision is light years better than TWC, but that's like saying being punched in the face once is better than being punched in the face twice.

and your city and state are controlled by dems, for years and years and years, and you have plenty of laws on the books about everything, and its still not enough to keep you happy.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

In your world the answer is always more government. some government not enough, more government better.
 

fskimospy

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and your city and state are controlled by dems, for years and years and years, and you have plenty of laws on the books about everything, and its still not enough to keep you happy.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

In your world the answer is always more government. some government not enough, more government better.

First, this has been a bipartisan problem for a very long time. It's not about party, it's about a shitty system that both parties have allowed to continue.

Second, you're a moron. Until De Blasio was elected the mayors of NYC for the previous two decades were Bloomberg (a Republican turned Independent) and Giuliani (a Republican) and the governor of New York was a Republican for 10 of those 20 years. (Pataki)

Seriously do you ever bother to understand the slightest thing about what you write about before shitting all over your keyboard? I mean this honestly, do you ever... ever bother to learn anything.
 

blankslate

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Is it actually because of the conservative bogeyman, or are you just assuming those laws are due to conservatives just because it's something you don't like? As we all know, Democrats would NEVER do anything to favor big business...

It's more the corporatists in the parties. Although my sense is that "conservatives" are a bit more likely to accept money from corporations sooner and compromise than "liberals" both are well known to have sold out in the past.
There is that part of the Democratic party known as conserva-dems who are more "conservative" on "fiscal" issues.

Chattanooga Tennessee has one of the best examples of a public municipal ISP

http://www.muninetworks.org/content/media-roundup-blackburn-amendment-lights-newswires

Chattanooga, Tenn., may not be the first place that springs to mind when it comes to cutting-edge technology. But thanks to its ultra-high-speed Internet, the city has established itself as a center for innovation -- and an encouraging example for those frustrated with slow speeds and high costs from private broadband providers.
Chattanooga rolled out a fiber-optic network a few years ago that now offers speeds of up to 1000 Megabits per second, or 1 gigabit, for just $70 a month. A cheaper 100 Megabit plan costs $58 per month. Even the slower plan is still light-years ahead of the average U.S. connection speed, which stood at 9.8 megabits per second as of late last year, according to Akamai Technologies.

http://www.muninetworks.org/content/media-roundup-blackburn-amendment-lights-newswires
Rep Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and her love for large corporate ISPs was all over the telecommunications media this week. She attempted to kneecap the FCC as it explores options to restore local telecommunications authority to communities. Blackburn introduced an amendment attacking local options as the House took up general appropriations bill H.R. 5016.

The amendment passed 223-200, primarily along party lines, with most Republican Reps voting with Blackburn and all but two Democrats opposing the amendment.

Democrats voting to support the amendment included Georgia's 12th District's John Barrow and Jim Matheson from Utah's 4th District. If either of these gentlemen represent you, take a moment to call their offices and point out their voting mistake.

Republicans that voted No were Mike Rogers and Mo Brooks from Alabama's 3rd and 5th Districts. Charles Boustany from the 3rd District in Louisiana and Chuck Fleischmann from the 3rd District in Tennessee (includes Chattanooga) also opposed the restriction. If these elected officials represent you, please take a moment to contact them and thank them for breaking ranks to support local authority.

Most members of the Republican party in Tennessee "conservatives" voted for the measure that would hamper local municipal ISPs while most Democratic Party members voted against it.

So yeah in Tennessee's case it can be seen as how Wreckem characterized it. I think there is a bit more nuance because members from either party can sell out to corporations and become more corporatists than conservatives or liberals.

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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/
According to this tech site the isp lobby has put in place limits on public municipal ISPs in 20 states

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-stop-regional-fiber-networks-from-expanding/
A Utah bill (link found in above link) which limits public broadband was introduced by a Republican faction member.


http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/...other-community-broadband-ban-bill/2011-02-18
in North Carolina another anti-municipal-ISP bill was introduced by another Republican faction member, it also passed.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/south-carolina-passes-bill-against-municipal-broadband/
South Carolina also passed a law making municipal broadband harder to implement
South Carolina has become the latest state in the union to pass a state-level bill that effectively makes it difficult, if not impossible, for municipalities to create their own publicly owned Internet service provider that could compete with private corporations. The bill passed the South Carolina General Assembly and Senate on Wednesday and awaits the signature of the state’s governor.

"It’s not an absolute ban, but it makes it pretty tough," Matt Wood, policy director at Free Press, a digital advocacy group, told Ars on Thursday.

Oddly, the bill also defines broadband as being "not less than one hundred ninety kilobits per second," which is pretty laughable by any measure. Municipal broadband watchers like Phillip Dampier also say that the bill’s passage shows the effective lobbying of AT&T, the state’s largest telco, who has contributed thousands of dollars in campaign contributions.

Lobbying from AT&T and conservative policy groups

Dampier and others also allege that the bill was crafted by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a conservative think-tank that lobbies local, state, and federal representatives to push for bills and craft ideal draft legislation that are conducive to its values. On its website, ALEC says that cities should not be allowed to create broadband utilities in competition with private corporations.
When the bill was passed in the legislature the Republican Party was in control.


Here is a more national level story about the subject of ISPs and their efforts against local municipal run broadband.
http://www.bna.com/democrats-urge-fcc-n17179894005/

Aug. 19 - Two Democratic lawmakers called on the Federal Communications Commission Aug. 19 to preempt state laws that seek to thwart municipal broadband networks.

Their action came in response to a letter from FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler that maintained that the agency has the authority to intervene where states enact laws seen as anti-municipal broadband.


It is not always the "conservative bogeyman" that solely exists in Wreckem's mind working against municipal broadband. It's members from either party who have been bought by ISPs. Those bought out politicians seem more often to have an R rather than a D next to their names though.



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Bitek

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Regardless of political team dynamics, here's an article from early in the year showing the states that prevent competition from municipalities, because reasons.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

I read that and I just want the ISPs to get bombed, then their ceos and corrupt politicians who serve them to get arrested and dropped from a plane to fight Isis in Syria.

Screw anyone who defends their thieving, monopolistic practices.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I understand that, but that's a separate issue. If you want to end that, you need to Nationalize the Infrastructure. Create an agency in charge of Maintaining and Upgrading the lines. Fund them through usage fees of the ISPs and the selling of Licenses to all who want to Compete.

That would be the DUMBEST move ever and would not solve anything. Government being ISP a provider is about the worst solution you can think of period. Well short of government itself being the one who picks winners and losers when it comes to handing out contracts. As that would only escalate the level of corruption and graft in the system compared to what we have today because eventually those with the biggest pockets and the right political connections would be the favored son/approved government monopoly when all is said and done.

No, the best solution to this mess is for government (at a local and state level) to decouple itself from blocking the entry of new providers and if you need a role for government it would be in ensuring that no one provider is allowed to dominate by abusing the political system to create walls of regulatory barriers, i.e. government retraining itself from interfering in the marketplace.
 

zinfamous

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what would this tax be? a flat 1-3% on something that would allow for more diversity and choice, greater speeds and greater service, overall cheaper bills because there is actually competition?

I mean, what does it mean: cheaper bills, better service, even after a tax?

or is it enough to just scream: TAX!OMGTAX! to incite rage and bile and drool from the knuckledraggers?

seriously: that article doesn't say anything, plus this info comes from an FCC that pretty much wants to scare everyone away from Net Neutrality.
 

DucatiMonster696

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what would this tax be? a flat 1-3% on something that would allow for more diversity and choice, greater speeds and greater service, overall cheaper bills because there is actually competition?

I mean, what does it mean: cheaper bills, better service, even after a tax?

or is it enough to just scream: TAX!OMGTAX! to incite rage and bile and drool from the knuckledraggers?

seriously: that article doesn't say anything, plus this info comes from an FCC that pretty much wants to scare everyone away from Net Neutrality.

You don't need to create a tax to push for actual competition. In fact thatt idea that you have to create a tax just to open up the market to more competitors is pretty ludicrous in its own right.

Especially considering that it is local and state governments which are holding back competition at the behest of the ISP giants in their respective states via regulatory, licensing and permitting processes that are design to dissuade or hinder competition from actually entering the market.
 

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One way or the other they want to control it, pretty much no good choice.

Obama's Net Neutrality might probably make it worse, it's a similar name to the Patriot Act, totally opposite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYyg6wd-TAw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYyg6wd-TAw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1OPORDLlJw



Rant: Net Neutrality = Obamacare for The Internet

Net Neutrality is connected to TTP which is above the law and is about creating "internet police", definitely worse than ISPs throttling audio over video or P2P (which I don't really care about anymore even tho I agree nothing should be throttled)

TTP Leak here: https://wikileaks.org/tpp/

And if someone thinks they're really only after copyright issues then you're joking to yourself, that's the cover, there can be much more in the full agreement as only a small part was leaked and not even everything.

They don't even have to do that, they can just wait until some truth patriot ("domestic terrorist") does some little violation or is just visiting a P2P service but not necessairly transferring copyrighted content, punish him with denying service or blocking stuff, while if they catch a politically favorable (fascists, communists, human sacrificers, illegals) person they ofcourse just ignore it, they want those voices on the web and it doesn't matter what , ofcourse a criminal will use another criminal in his favor, eventually a higher level criminal will always screw over a lower level one, what do you think happened in communist countries, most of the government administration was assassinated (cleanup) after they weren't needed anymore.
 
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ivwshane

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Ooh goody! Youtube links because written words are hard!!

Haven't seen you lately, Stewox, did you have to get another job because Russia's economy is in the shiter?
 

fskimospy

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"...O'Reilly, a Republican on the five-member commission..."

Enough said. Yeah, trust Republicans...

From things like that I get the feeling that people like boomerang don't understand how the FCC works. The FCC commissioners are political appointments where you always have 3 of one party and 2 of the other.

Sure they're government officials, but they are partisan political officials. People who try and use their statements without mentioning that are either too dumb to know it or too dishonest to disclose it. Maybe both.
 

brycejones

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Ooh goody! Youtube links because written words are hard!!

Haven't seen you lately, Stewox, did you have to get another job because Russia's economy is in the shiter?

It took awhile because Stewox works for the Russian government and they are even more inefficient than our own government. That is why he can say with a straight face it isn't his fault if it turns out to be wrong. He is just a pathetic little cog who vomits whatever he is directed to.

I am disappointed though how we don't have a direct tie between net-neutrality and trans-humanism from aliens.
 
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jackstar7

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I suppose it is time to just switch over to the black internet. The notion that business > government as a rule is simply idiotic. Neither is a trump card and given the scope of this particular issue, I'd be happy with a little more of column b over column a, given the "service" we're being given from a.

Enjoy your hateopia.
 

zinfamous

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You don't need to create a tax to push for actual competition. In fact thatt idea that you have to create a tax just to open up the market to more competitors is pretty ludicrous in its own right.

Especially considering that it is local and state governments which are holding back competition at the behest of the ISP giants in their respective states via regulatory, licensing and permitting processes that are design to dissuade or hinder competition from actually entering the market.

yeah, another reason that article is lacking any real information, and makes no sense whatsoever.

baseless fear-mongering.
 

blankslate

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Classifying ISPs as common carriers as common carriers makes sense on the surface...

However an interesting policy argument on Ars Technica argues for competition instead.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/we-dont-need-net-neutrality-we-need-competition/

The solution is to attack the monopolies head on. The incumbent ISPs obviously have a huge advantage over any putative challengers: they've laid hundreds of thousands of miles of copper, coaxial cable, and fiber to homes and businesses across the country. This last mile network would cost many billions of dollars to replicate, not to mention causing substantial disruption every time a road has to be dug up.

But the solution to this is well-known and practiced in a number of countries around the world—including, at one time, the US: decouple Internet service provision from the last mile network. This is perhaps most abundant in the EU, where it goes by the name Local Loop Unbundling. The wired telecommunications market in Europe was largely dominated by a series of national monopoly phone companies. In order to promote competition, the EU required that these incumbent operators provide third parties access to parts of its infrastructure, in particular the "last mile."

Of course we can expect the large ISPs to oppose that solution as well I bet.


As for Senator Cruz...

Apparently conservatives who work in the tech industry are posting on his facebook page

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2magjd/after_nonsensical_comments_on_net_neutrality/

https://m.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10152839355922464

Some of the posts are amusing.

A Jinnie McManus
Goddammit, stop making my party look like morons and look up net neutrality. It doesn't mean what you and your speechwriters think it means.
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Keith French
Ted, I am as conservative as they come.... I want government out of just about everything... and I hate to say it, really hate to say it, but Obama is right on this one. I do not want my access and internet speed controlled by my ISP. It will be. The internet has been an open forum with little to no restrictions, that will change and not for the better. Bottom line, do not go against freedom of the net just because Obama is for it. Even an old blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
1,074 · Nov 10


Ed Piper
As a Republican who works in the tech industry I can say that this statement shows you either have no idea what you are talking about or you are bought and paid for by the American Cable monopoly. This is amazingly an stupid statement and is disheartening.
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Pulsar

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Isn't it cute - now another FCC official has stepped forward and said that the day net neutrality passes is the first day the internet is taxed.

I'm glad this non-elected official can claim to know that congress will put a tax on the internet before it happens. I'm also glad he's fully prepared to throw out the "Democrats bad = tax tax tax" card with no backup. But MOST impressive is how his travel schedule has him going to Comast, ATT, and a number of other of the big telecom folks to give 'paid' speeches and participate in 'technology fairs' to discuss where the future of the industry is going.

*golf clap*

I'm embarrassed to say I vote republican on occasion.
 

Paul98

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This is just stupid, how hard is it to make a simple law to make sure that an ISP doesn't change speed depending on what you are doing on the internet. Along with making sure companies can't buy local government regulation to drive out competition.
 

DrDoug

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I'm glad for you that you live in such a simple world of your own making.

Actually it's the Republicans who have made it simple for me. As a small "i" independent voter (no party affiliation) I actually would like to have two political parties who compete on ideas. Instead we get one party that has no fucking idea of what they stand for and the other knows exactly what it stands for and lies all day about it. Go right ahead, you can embrace the lies all you want. Keep trusting them as I'm sure that they have your best interests at heart.

Really.
 

boomerang

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Actually it's the Republicans who have made it simple for me. As a small "i" independent voter (no party affiliation) I actually would like to have two political parties who compete on ideas. Instead we get one party that has no fucking idea of what they stand for and the other knows exactly what it stands for and lies all day about it. Go right ahead, you can embrace the lies all you want. Keep trusting them as I'm sure that they have your best interests at heart.

Really.
Ah, well excuse me all to hell. I evidently missed the nuance in your post that was the telltale that you had a hard-on for both major parties.
 

DrDoug

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Ah, well excuse me all to hell. I evidently missed the nuance in your post that was the telltale that you had a hard-on for both major parties.

*Checks post title*

Yup, it's about a Republican named Cruz who is lying out of his ass. You were looking for nuance that wasn't there for obvious reasons.

Now get back to believing that slimy lying bastard!
 
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