Ted Koppel tells Hannity and Fox News are bad for America.

[HomerJS]

Well maybe because Hannity and O'Reilly are not News shows. They are commentary shows about the news of the day. The MSNBC and CNN are just as guilty if way more so than Fox's actual News Shows like Bret Baier, Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace. I am of the opinion that you have to take what you can from many sources.

You mean like MSNBC overhyping true stories as opposed to Fox News peddling FAKE stories? Oh sure MSNBC is worse.

BTW - Fox guilty twice in as many weeks.

I'll save you the trouble...

Fox - Napolitano fake story, "Trump working weekend" fake breaking news story
MSNBC - Rachel overhyping Trump tax returns

 

[pcgeek11]

Right, and Koppel's point was that people treat them like news shows, which is a bad thing. I don't care who you think is the worst offender, Hannity, Maddow, O'Reilly, etc, are a big part of the problem.

No, the problem is dumb shits that don't know the difference between News and Commentary.

 

[pcgeek11]

You mean like MSNBC overhyping true stories as opposed to Fox News peddling FAKE stories? Oh sure MSNBC is worse.

BTW - Fox guilty twice in as many weeks.

I'll save you the trouble...

Fox - Napolitano fake story, "Trump working weekend" fake breaking news story
MSNBC - Rachel overhyping Trump tax returns

Here let me help you out. I guess you are one of those that do not know the difference between News and Commentary.

Fox - Napolitano fake story, "Trump working weekend" fake breaking news story.

Napolitano is Not a News reporter. He is paid to give his opinions etc. I am quite sure that Trump did some work on the weekend. Kind of hard not to being in a 24 / 7 job.

MSNBC - Rachel overhyping Trump tax returns.

Rachel Maddow did not have Trumps Tax return(s). She lied she only had a couple of pages of one very old return ( 2005). She is also considered Not a news Reporter, but is a commentator.

As in
" Rachel Anne Maddow (born April 1, 1973) is an American television host, political commentator, and author.

 

[fskimospy]

No, the problem is dumb shits that don't know the difference between News and Commentary.

Well considering the country is full of dumb shits and that isn't going to change it looks like the problem is back with the opinion people masquerading as news.

 

[Ajay]

Ted Kopple gives his opinion about opinion based commentators. Hmmm. Does that also mean his opinion isn't worth squat? I think it does.

You do realize you just invalidated your own opinion.

 

[pcgeek11]

I guess we all have our little problems.

 

[pcgeek11]

You do realize you just invalidated your own opinion.

Yes, I know opinions are like assholes and most of them stink. This also includes mine and yours.

 

[Victorian Gray]

lol this whole conversation and forum is based on ideology. Anyone taking Moon seriously needs their head examined.

Let's see what he left has created and what zombies follow.

Gender is fluid
Multiple genders is normal
Political correctness
Snowflakes
Marijuana states
Killing an unborn baby is normal
Government is your religion and feel good place to help people
Adults need to be on their Mommy and Daddy's insurance

Wow this list is going to continue. I'll just stop here as this conversation is boring already.

That's all the straw you have? That's it? Sad.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yes, I know opinions are like assholes and most of them stink. This also includes mine and yours.

Try soap.

 

[jackstar7]

Yes, I know opinions are like assholes and most of them stink. This also includes mine and yours.

Do you distinguish between educated and uneducated opinions?

When you see a doctor for their opinion, does it matter if they graduated from a venerable institution, or is that just another opinion?

Equivocating is no defense against an unkind reality.

 

[nickqt]

...

Equivocating is no defense against an unkind reality.

It is when your argument is dogshit-tier terrible and you have to BothSidesDoIt™ to deflect from just how dogshit-tier terrible your argument is compared to the sane, rational alternative argument.

 

[Triloby]

On another note, has Hannity been waterboarded yet?

I remember years ago that he bitched about how waterboarding is not torture, and that he was willing to partake in a demonstration that would prove him right.

....

Still haven't heard about it since then. Looks like Hannity is a complete pussy after all.

 

[agent00f]

It is when your argument is dogshit-tier terrible and you have to BothSidesDoIt™ to deflect from just how dogshit-tier terrible your argument is compared to the sane, rational alternative argument.

Eg:

Yes, I know opinions are like assholes and most of them stink. This also includes mine and yours.

 

[pcgeek11]

Try soap.

Well speaking of @ssholes and one shows up.

 

[pcgeek11]

Do you distinguish between educated and uneducated opinions?

When you see a doctor for their opinion, does it matter if they graduated from a venerable institution, or is that just another opinion?

Equivocating is no defense against an unkind reality.

On a serious note yes.

 

[agent00f]

Well speaking of @ssholes and one shows up.

It's only apropos to punish degenerates who can speak no other language.

 

[outriding]

Here let me help you out. I guess you are one of those that do not know the difference between News and Commentary.

Fox - Napolitano fake story, "Trump working weekend" fake breaking news story.

Napolitano is Not a News reporter. He is paid to give his opinions etc. I am quite sure that Trump did some work on the weekend. Kind of hard not to being in a 24 / 7 job.

MSNBC - Rachel overhyping Trump tax returns.

Rachel Maddow did not have Trumps Tax return(s). She lied she only had a couple of pages of one very old return ( 2005). She is also considered Not a news Reporter, but is a commentator.

As in
" Rachel Anne Maddow (born April 1, 1973) is an American television host, political commentator, and author.

AN was not even a commentator. He was a fall guy.. on 3/14 AN said:

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."


Then on 3/20 Shep Smith made this comment after AN was let go from Fox..

Fox was then put into the awkward position of denouncing Mr. Napolitano’s allegation, with the daytime anchor Shepard Smith saying on Friday: “Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano’s commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the United States was surveilled at any time, any way. Full stop.”


Why would you even let AN give a comentary on that...

And AN's comment about a working weekend. I cannot imagine anyone thinking that would be an opinion piece.. that would be on the side of reporting.. he might be classified as a commentator but he is doing reporting..

 

[HomerJS]

Here let me help you out. I guess you are one of those that do not know the difference between News and Commentary.

Fox - Napolitano fake story, "Trump working weekend" fake breaking news story.

Napolitano is Not a News reporter. He is paid to give his opinions etc. I am quite sure that Trump did some work on the weekend. Kind of hard not to being in a 24 / 7 job.

MSNBC - Rachel overhyping Trump tax returns.

Rachel Maddow did not have Trumps Tax return(s). She lied she only had a couple of pages of one very old return ( 2005). She is also considered Not a news Reporter, but is a commentator.

As in
" Rachel Anne Maddow (born April 1, 1973) is an American television host, political commentator, and author.

You're wrong quiz kid (Stooges reference)

Fox News had to disavow the "news story" pushed by JN. So it was a news story not just commentary even though JN is a commentator.
Rachel did have his return albeit a few pages from 2005. Even the White House reacted with the following...

"It is totally illegal to steal and publish tax returns,"

You conveniently left out Fox peddling fake "Trump is working story"

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Here's my issue with the whole 'opinion vs news' thing. When your 'News' station has 80% of it's air time taken up by opinion pieces, that is the news. If 'The Officially Official Weather Channel' aired people's opinions that it's colder today than it was yesterday, then that's your channel's official stance. Correct, it's not corroborated by evidence and in fact it's just the opinions of people, but it's *presented* as fact. Several news outlets *present* the opinions of people as fact, or at minimum don't do anything to dissuade people from thinking it's opinion. They'll weave opinion pieces in with news stories, give opinion commentaries overlayed on news pieces, and interleave opinion adverts with news, and vice versa.

Reminds me of a Chris Rock standup, 'You may not be a prostitute, but you are wearing a prostitute's uniform.'

 

[pcgeek11]

You're wrong quiz kid (Stooges reference)

Fox News had to disavow the "news story" pushed by JN. So it was a news story not just commentary even though JN is a commentator.
Rachel did have his return albeit a few pages from 2005. Even the White House reacted with the following...


You conveniently left out Fox peddling fake "Trump is working story"

See the world is full of people that cannot tell the difference between commentary and news.

Judge N is a Commentator. Rachel M is a Commentator.

A commentator is able to Comment on the news. Their comments are not News, but Comments.

I did say that I was pretty sure that Trump did work some over the weekend... That is just a meh topic anyway.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

The opinions are being presented as legitimate news, pcgeek11, that's the entire problem. It is known that Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, &c are commentators. Fox News presents itself as a real-honest-to-goodness news channel.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And the fact that viewers can't tell the difference, or willingly refuse to

 

[woolfe9998]

AN was not even a commentator. He was a fall guy.. on 3/14 AN said:

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."


Then on 3/20 Shep Smith made this comment after AN was let go from Fox..

Fox was then put into the awkward position of denouncing Mr. Napolitano’s allegation, with the daytime anchor Shepard Smith saying on Friday: “Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano’s commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the United States was surveilled at any time, any way. Full stop.”


Why would you even let AN give a comentary on that...

And AN's comment about a working weekend. I cannot imagine anyone thinking that would be an opinion piece.. that would be on the side of reporting.. he might be classified as a commentator but he is doing reporting..

I'm not one to defend Fox News, but I doubt AN cleared that with anyone before saying it. The problem with Fox News is having someone like AN as a commentator in the first piece. Fox selects its commentators based on their appeal to listeners rather than on their credibility. AN is a conspiracy theorist who is way out on the lunatic fringe. But that didn't stop them from having him on, until he embarrassed them directly with something looney he said on the air.

 

[Fern]

The opinions are being presented as legitimate news, pcgeek11, that's the entire problem. It is known that Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, &c are commentators. Fox News presents itself as a real-honest-to-goodness news channel.

I disagree. I watch them all.

Fox and CNN actually have news shows. MSNBC does not.

Hannity and O'Reilly are obviously commentary. Neither make any bones about it. Same for Maddow.

If people can't recognize that the above are commentary, well they're so stupid I can't be bothered to give a 'F'.

We do, however, have real problems in journalism. IMO, it has to do with self proclaimed journalists engaging in what they call "advocacy journalism" yet pretending it's the same as traditional journalism. I.e., they're engaging in political commentary but pretending otherwise.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I'm not one to defend Fox News, but I doubt AN cleared that with anyone before saying it.
-snip-

Yes, that would appear to be issue. I.e., Napolitano explicitly said that "Fox News" was informed. That puts the onus on Fox News to confirm or deny that they had 3 sources communicate this to someone officially representing Fox News (e.g., a FN executive). I do not believe that Napolitano qualifies as such. He's just contracted to be an occasional guest commenting on legal issues and has no authority to speak on FN's behalf. If he had 3 sources tell him, well, he should have said that. As an attorney and retired federal judge he should know better than to be so imprecise.

I hear he's been suspended/fired over this.

EDIT: Forgot to add that Shep Smith is a dubious choice to disavow AN on behalf of the network. He's just another talking head and, AFAIK, not a FN official. A statement issued by a FN exec would be a much better choice.

Fern