Teehee, put a 5930K into my office box

[frozentundra123456]

In a blind test, I couldn't tell a difference between my overclocked i5 and my wife's stock Haswell i3.

Makes sense to me. I still think in a blind test of a fast dual core vs a quad or hex core, it would be hard to tell the difference. Now the qualifier, is that there is not a lot of tabs open and stuff running in the background. Now obviously if you have 3 or 4 youtube videos or something running at the same time more cores will be faster.


Edit: Just did a test of opening a browser. On a 3ghz sandy i5, I got a brief cpu spike to 85% opening chrome, and less than 40% opening Edge or Firefox. So I suppose opening chrome you could hit 100% cpu on a dual core, very briefly. But still a new dual core has better ipc and faster clockspeed than my i5, so I am not sure one could really tell the difference.

 

[escrow4]

Tested a Hi10-bit 1080p x265 file, 4% CPU usage in software decoding. Spike to roughly 10% on loading. Heh. Who needs a hardware decoder. :sneaky:

 

[VirtualLarry]

Tested a Hi10-bit 1080p x265 file, 4% CPU usage in software decoding. Spike to roughly 10% on loading. Heh. Who needs a hardware decoder. :sneaky:

what's that test file 4K H.264 or H.265 you had me use before? I want to test my Q9300 w/R7 260X 2GB card (1080P).

Elysium 4K or something.

Is this it?
http://4ksamples.com/elysium-4k-trailer/

My Firefox 64-bit won't play it directly.

Edit: No 64-bit version of VLC? The download I am offered, has "win32" in the name.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Edit: I don't know if it was installing VLC, or enabling javascript on that 4ksamples.com site, but I was able to watch it finally in my browser (Firefox 45.0.1), and it skipped a little at the beginning, and paused a couple of times in the middle, but it was pretty decently watchable on this old rig. I think my CPU was at 90%+ usage though. It was using all cores.

Edit: It plays perfectly smooth on VLC after downloading the MP4 file. Very nice!

 

[MongGrel]

The main rig with a old ASUS P6T7 and a X5680 still isn't running badly atm, with things running in the background 24/7.

Might have to push the OC a bit again, WIN10 insider build 14291 seemed to make it much more stable again.

It's still well over 4.4 Ghz atm.

 

[Headfoot]

My new 5820k is noticeably faster than my older 4.5ghz 2500k, but its only apparent in higher load scenarios

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that my G4400 @ 4.455Ghz is hands-down faster than my Q9300 (2.5Ghz C2Q) at stock. But then, there's that "quad core factor". Some sort of "smoothness" argument, I guess. The multi-core afficianados seem to be able to see it, I honestly don't, really. I much prefer the higher-clocked, higher-IPC cores. At least, for single-threaded Firefox.

Also, booting Win7 64-bit SP1 + patches. Though, that could be down to the SATA2 interface and Vertex 2 50GB SSD on the Q9300 rig, versus the PCI-E 3.0 x4 AHCI M.2 SSD, the Samsung SM951 128GB, on the OCed G4400 SKL rig. The SKL rig boots very fast, and you don't see the Windows logo form. On the Q9300, the logo forms, and then it goes into Win7.

But I will say, playing a 4K movie trailer on my R7 260X 2GB card, at 80% CPU usage, with no skipping frames that I could tell, with VLC, was pretty neat. This old box can still keep up, mostly.

 

[PPB]

I think that my G4400 @ 4.455Ghz is hands-down faster than my Q9300 (2.5Ghz C2Q) at stock. But then, there's that "quad core factor". Some sort of "smoothness" argument, I guess. The multi-core afficianados seem to be able to see it, I honestly don't, really. I much prefer the higher-clocked, higher-IPC cores. At least, for single-threaded Firefox.

Also, booting Win7 64-bit SP1 + patches. Though, that could be down to the SATA2 interface and Vertex 2 50GB SSD on the Q9300 rig, versus the PCI-E 3.0 x4 AHCI M.2 SSD, the Samsung SM951 128GB, on the OCed G4400 SKL rig. The SKL rig boots very fast, and you don't see the Windows logo form. On the Q9300, the logo forms, and then it goes into Win7.

But I will say, playing a 4K movie trailer on my R7 260X 2GB card, at 80% CPU usage, with no skipping frames that I could tell, with VLC, was pretty neat. This old box can still keep up, mostly.

A 2015 overclocked CPU faster than a 2008 stock one. Shocking, I know.

Try to give that Q9300 at least 3.5ghz clocks and try again.

 

[VirtualLarry]

A 2015 overclocked (dual-core)CPU faster than a 2008 stock (quad-core) one. Shocking, I know.

Fixed that for you.

Try to give that Q9300 at least 3.5ghz clocks and try again.

If only. The ancient P35 mobo will only do slightly over 400FSB, which is only good for a little over 3Ghz. Plus, one of my two Q9300 rigs started hard-locking when I had it overclocked and was doing DC with it. Complete hard lock, so I clocked it down. Parts are getting old, I guess. (So is the PSU, an Antec VP-450. Haven't tried putting in a fresh PSU to see if I can re-OC. Maybe I will if I feel motivated.)

 

[Carfax83]

Tested a Hi10-bit 1080p x265 file, 4% CPU usage in software decoding. Spike to roughly 10% on loading. Heh. Who needs a hardware decoder. :sneaky:

If you want a real test, try this..

BTW, what decoder do you use?

 

[escrow4]

If you want a real test, try this..

BTW, what decoder do you use?

The x265 file software decoder. This 730 doesn't hardware decode x265. That file you linked uses around 25% CPU usage to software decode that file - no DXVA for either. MPC-HC 64-bit. Trifling really. *** strokes 5930K ***

I'd like to see what VirtualLarry's dual core hits with that file.

 

[maddogmcgee]

Whack in a couple of SSD's in raid 0 and watch how fast word opens.

 

[Carfax83]

The x265 file software decoder. This 730 doesn't hardware decode x265. That file you linked uses around 25% CPU usage to software decode that file - no DXVA for either. MPC-HC 64-bit. Trifling really. *** strokes 5930K ***

I got around 20% usage on mine, but mine is overclocked.

Here's another really good test that's tougher than the last one I posted.

It has a lower bitrate than the last one, but it renders at 50 FPS..

Ever used the Strongene decoder? I'm curious to see how it compares to the LAV decoder for CPU decoding.

I'm new at this video stuff, but I'm learning

 

[jimbob200521]

Marked for later, I want to try some of these "try these" videos posted above on my OC'd i7 920, see where it lands in all of this (I'm sure it'll be just fine).

 

[frozentundra123456]

The x265 file software decoder. This 730 doesn't hardware decode x265. That file you linked uses around 25% CPU usage to software decode that file - no DXVA for either. MPC-HC 64-bit. Trifling really. *** strokes 5930K ***

I'd like to see what VirtualLarry's dual core hits with that file.

Yea, I was just doing x265 decoding on my office PC yesterday. Obviously a hex core will be faster in a cpu intensive scenario that can use a lot of threads. In normal office use, surfing the net and MS Office, I am still not convinced.

 

[Carfax83]

Marked for later, I want to try some of these "try these" videos posted above on my OC'd i7 920, see where it lands in all of this (I'm sure it'll be just fine).

Update us when you do. I'm curious to know myself.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'd like to see what VirtualLarry's dual core hits with that file.

This FM1 A4-3300 (stock) can't play back the 4K Elysium trailer at all. Slide show. Even with the 15.7.1 Catalyst drivers. (Had to roll back the HDMI driver though, to the one included on the driver CD, because I wasn't getting any audio at all with the new HDMI driver.)

Edit: According to ECS's web site, the FM1 / A55 platform has UVD3.0, whatever that is capable of. The Elysium 4K trailer is AVC encoded, which I think is basically H.264. So I think that it should be supported??? Maybe not the 4K resolution, so it falls back to software, which then chokes on the dual-core CPU.

 

[Tsavo]

A 2015 overclocked CPU faster than a 2008 stock one. Shocking, I know.

At some point, you learn to mostly ignore everything he says.

You are not yet at that point.

 

[escrow4]

This FM1 A4-3300 (stock) can't play back the 4K Elysium trailer at all. Slide show. Even with the 15.7.1 Catalyst drivers. (Had to roll back the HDMI driver though, to the one included on the driver CD, because I wasn't getting any audio at all with the new HDMI driver.)

Edit: According to ECS's web site, the FM1 / A55 platform has UVD3.0, whatever that is capable of. The Elysium 4K trailer is AVC encoded, which I think is basically H.264. So I think that it should be supported??? Maybe not the 4K resolution, so it falls back to software, which then chokes on the dual-core CPU.

Try the other file CarFax posted. UVD 3 does not support 4K at all in hardware. You need UVD 5 for that. H.264 sure, but not 4K. UVD 3 can decode XviD which a toaster can decode now so meh.

 

[escrow4]

I got around 20% usage on mine, but mine is overclocked.

Here's another really good test that's tougher than the last one I posted.

It has a lower bitrate than the last one, but it renders at 50 FPS..

Ever used the Strongene decoder? I'm curious to see how it compares to the LAV decoder for CPU decoding.

I'm new at this video stuff, but I'm learning

35% here. Don't really care about the decoder, software is software.

 

[crashtech]

In for hexcore fun. Might try some of those tests on my 5820K.

 

[Zodiark1593]

This FM1 A4-3300 (stock) can't play back the 4K Elysium trailer at all. Slide show. Even with the 15.7.1 Catalyst drivers. (Had to roll back the HDMI driver though, to the one included on the driver CD, because I wasn't getting any audio at all with the new HDMI driver.)

Edit: According to ECS's web site, the FM1 / A55 platform has UVD3.0, whatever that is capable of. The Elysium 4K trailer is AVC encoded, which I think is basically H.264. So I think that it should be supported??? Maybe not the 4K resolution, so it falls back to software, which then chokes on the dual-core CPU.

UVD 3.0 does not support AVC (H.265)

No surprise there. UVD 3.0 was introduced with their Radeon HD 6000 series. Well before ACV/H.265 was ever introduced.

 

[VirtualLarry]

UVD 3.0 does not support AVC (H.265)

No surprise there. UVD 3.0 was introduced with their Radeon HD 6000 series. Well before ACV/H.265 was ever introduced.

I think that you are confusing AVC with HEVC...

Edit: My Radeon R7 260X 2GB card (Bonaire, GCN1.1), doesn't support H.265 decoding either. Yet, it plays back in 4K flawlessly. I really don't think it's all software decoding.

 

[Zodiark1593]

I think that you are confusing AVC with HEVC...

Edit: My Radeon R7 260X 2GB card (Bonaire, GCN1.1), doesn't support H.265 decoding either. Yet, it plays back in 4K flawlessly. I really don't think it's all software decoding.

You're right, my bad. Wasn't aware the Bonaire series was capable of 4K decode though even with AVC. Was pretty sure UVD 4.0 (4K h.264 decode) was introduced with Tonga (GCN 1.2), or otherwise a Hybrid solution may be in use for your card.

 

[alcoholbob]

Oh you can definitely tell the difference with a hex-core.. Even hex-core Windmere EP with it's lower IPC is way peppier than a quad..

In my experience it varies. But not everything is multi-threaded to take advantage of 12 virtual cores. Some desktop apps take noticeably longer to load on a 5820K than on a 4790K. Sometimes clockspeed trumps all.

 

[YBS1]

In my experience it varies. But not everything is multi-threaded to take advantage of 12 virtual cores. Some desktop apps take noticeably longer to load on a 5820K than on a 4790K. Sometimes clockspeed trumps all.

That's true, and experience and perception can vary by platform too. In terms of just pure general usage feel my X58 when paired with the X5670 was my fastest machine in terms of "feel". I wouldn't be able to turn that feeling into it being faster than the X79 or X99 machines in any timed/benchmarked task I threw at them though. It may simply come down to usage pattern as well, I never used my X58 as my main PC after I installed the X5670, I was already on the 3930K.