Teen creates clock, shows teacher who think it's a bomb, teen gets arrested

[werepossum]

You missed something. Look at the picture again.

He did not wrap the power cord around the latch. He broke the flipper thing off and wrapped a thin, black, insulated wire around it to keep it closed. I have the same case, this is very clear.

He claimed he closed it with a wire so they wouldn't think it was locked because -- if it looked(?!) like it was locked -- they might think it was suspicious.

From the kid's own mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE#t=1m25s
Skip to 1m25s

He specifically says he wrapped it with a wire so it would look less suspicious. He knew it might be interpreted as a threat, added something that is a practically a hallmark for suspicious packages and IEDs, and somehow thought that would make it less suspicious.

Yup, missed that. Don't quite understand it either - the case would look the same locked or unlocked.

As far as IEDs, their second most common attribute (after explosive force) is the intent to look like everything but an explosive device. So I don't know that comparison really gets us anywhere.

It would be better if that were the case rather than simply being part of 'the collective' and working hard to spread the talking points of the day.

lol That's pretty funny coming from a guy whose every comment on every subject is straight doctrinaire progressive.

The fraud is in the planing, provocation and the subsequent money gathering based on a staged event, not the claim to have "invented" a clock. Dumbest forum evah

IF that happened. IF. Sometimes things are merely serendipity, and activist millionaires are generally well able to jump on any available opportunity.

 

[bshole]

Were,

Can you explain the actual facts about this incident. I am hearing all kinds of stuff floating around and I haven't a damn clue anymore about the actual facts. Did he build the clock himself or did he just tear apart a radio shack clock?

 

[Drako]

Were,

Can you explain the actual facts about this incident. I am hearing all kinds of stuff floating around and I haven't a damn clue anymore about the actual facts. Did he build the clock himself or did he just tear apart a radio shack clock?

It was a hoax.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092215-772291-did-muslim-clock-boy-perpetrate-hoax.htm

 

[Ichinisan]

I'm still waiting for you to prove your statement. You have this habit of thinking things are facts just because you say so.

So put up some proof of your claim or we can all assume, once again, you are lying.

You want me to be 14 in 1994 again?

The facts of that statement are true.

If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.

Make me repeat it again.

 

[Ichinisan]

Its not as true you dumbshit because the kid was actually arrested and is actually a muslim and is actually brown skinned. His story is just a idea he got in his head.

Racist.

If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.

Make me repeat it again.

 

[bshole]

It was a hoax.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092215-772291-did-muslim-clock-boy-perpetrate-hoax.htm

That is a single source, I really can't find corraboration on that. If it was a hoax, it was brilliant. It looks like he got himself a ton of swag, worldwide attention and a visit to the president. Morally reprensible perhaps but typical American behaviour.....

 

[fskimospy]

Racist.

If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.

Make me repeat it again.

If I had done that I wouldn't have been arrested. Period. Wow, that was easy. I guess that's how it works when you just make shit up, huh? haha.

That you appear to think this is a compelling line of argument says a lot about how weak your position is.

 

[Ichinisan]

Were,

Can you explain the actual facts about this incident. I am hearing all kinds of stuff floating around and I haven't a damn clue anymore about the actual facts. Did he build the clock himself or did he just tear apart a radio shack clock?

This is basically what he did:

...but he also dented the case badly, broke the flipper thing on the latch, and tied it shut with an insulated black wire. He said he did this to make it less suspicious.

From the kid's own mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE#t=1m25s
Skip to 1m25s

I see a couple screws mounting the display on the kid's clock.

Seems like the screws would poke-out through the side of the case.

 

[werepossum]

Were,

Can you explain the actual facts about this incident. I am hearing all kinds of stuff floating around and I haven't a damn clue anymore about the actual facts. Did he build the clock himself or did he just tear apart a radio shack clock?

Buddy I'm not a good choice since I haven't cared enough to really do the research required to form an opinion. It looks like an intentional stunt to me, but that could be only because his father is an activist well-positioned to jump on an opportunity. To answer your question, no, he did not build a clock. He disassembled a clock and placed it (apparently poorly) into a pencil case with a broken lock, which he secured by wrapping a piece of insulated wire around it. That doesn't mean he isn't honestly proud of it though; he was raised in an entitlement culture.

So far, I am not convinced either way and see no need to form an opinion. Maybe it was a stunt designed to push an agenda, maybe it was a stupid over-reaction by the school. I caught the end of the kid's presser and he seemed like an adorable, normal American kid, so if he parts some fools from $10,000 I'm not concerned. I certainly don't agree that we should be lauding this as some sort of impressive accomplishment, but on the other hand we do want to encourage him. I consider the Investors editorial to be just that - an opinion, not necessarily any better or any better informed than those presented here.

Other than that I'll defer to Aikouka (who also seems to see no point in having an opinion, but she* has expressed smarter boundaries on having or not having an opinion than most of us) on how to approach this kerfuffle. I've seen reasonable points raised on both sides, but nothing on why we should particularly care either way.

*"She" IIRC - "Aikouka" is a pretty gender-neutral name to me.

 

[justoh]

Probably still going to the white house.

 

[JSt0rm]

Racist.

If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.

Make me repeat it again.

I love when you racists call me a racists for talking about racism openly, without the dog whistles you all love to blow.

 

[JSt0rm]

That is a single source, I really can't find corraboration on that. If it was a hoax, it was brilliant. It looks like he got himself a ton of swag, worldwide attention and a visit to the president. Morally reprensible perhaps but typical American behaviour.....

Look how they call it a hoax but they admit he rewired the wired clock to operate from battery. Thats pretty advanced for a 14 year old with no training.

 

[michal1980]

what i said

His story is as true as this kid inventing or creating a clock. Yet you refuse to question the kid.

Why is that?

what your responded to

Its not as true you dumbshit because the kid was actually arrested and is actually a muslim and is actually brown skinned. His story is just a idea he got in his head.

Did I mention arrest? or his religion? or his skin color?

nope.

So then you just went up and put up a strawman.

 

[JSt0rm]

what i said



what your responded to



Did I mention arrest? or his religion? or his skin color?

nope.

So then you just went up and put up a strawman.

Nobody cares about your made up issue. The larger issue here is Islamophobia. But you dont like that issue so you come up with dumb reasons to not talk about it like if this 14 year old in the year 2015 invented clock.

 

[Ichinisan]

Look how they call it a hoax but they admit he rewired the wired clock to operate from battery. Thats pretty advanced for a 14 year old with no training.

Are you absolutely insane? Your self delusion knows no bounds!

The original clock had a DC backup battery terminal like practically all alarm clocks do!

He didn't re-wire a single solitary thing. Where on Earth did you get such an idea?!

Is it just coincidence that this similar clock has an identical 9V battery terminal and also has an AC power cord?

That is literally the process the kid performed...the same process people keep referring to as "built" or "invented."

See the little blue thing? Or do you blind yourself to any detail that doesn't fit the narrative you're devoted to?

Now the kid took it a step further. He dented the box badly, broke the latch off, and tied a thin black insulated wire around it ("so it wouldn't look suspicious"). I guess that means he really did build the clock, huh?

 

[justoh]

Nah. The larger issues are fraud and mindless bandwagoninginging.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you absolutely insane? Your self delusion knows no bounds!

The original clock had a DC backup battery terminal like practically all alarm clocks do!

He didn't re-wire a single solitary thing. Where on Earth did you get such an idea?!



Is it just coincidence that this similar clock has an identical 9V battery terminal and also has an AC power cord?

Why do you keep caring about the level of skill required to do this thing? When the broader issue is Islamophobia? When will we realize when you treat people like this you end up potentially radicalizing them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/books/review/scott-shanes-objective-troy.html?_r=0

go read that book if you care enough to begin talking about the issues.

 

[Drako]

When the broader issue is Islamophobia?

No it's not. The broader issue is how stupid people get caught up in this faux outrage. :biggrin:

 

[JSt0rm]

No it's not.

Obviously thats up for debate.

 

[Drako]

Obviously thats up for debate.

Not if you're reasonably intelligent. :hmm:

 

[Ichinisan]

Why do you keep caring about the level of skill required to do this thing? When the broader issue is Islamophobia? When will we realize when you treat people like this you end up potentially radicalizing them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/books/review/scott-shanes-objective-troy.html?_r=0

go read that book if you care enough to begin talking about the issues.

The broader issue is your devotion the narrative that was initially presented, failing to think critically, and spreading / perpetuating blatantly false information.

The only way you could really think the kid attached a 9V battery terminal (or think we said he did) is to consume information through your reality distortion filter that massages information to fit the narrative you have latched onto.

 

[JSt0rm]

you guys are fucking dumb if you dont think this kids skin color, name and religion have no bearing on the outcome.

 

[brycejones]

The larger issues are fraud and mindless bandwagoninginging.

Agreed, there are several posters in this thread who are guilty of this by jumping on whatever the right wing blogosphere poops out on this subject.

 

[LegendKiller]

you guys are fucking dumb if you dont think this kids skin color, name and religion have no bearing on the outcome.

And you are fucking dumb if you think he created or invented a clock. Indeed, you are even worse than fucking dumb if you think he didn't intentionally make it look suspicious when he, himself, admitted it would look suspicious. You are even worse than that if you think him plugging it in in class and having the alarm go off, in class, is reasonable.

 

[justoh]

you guys are fucking dumb if you dont think this kids skin color, name and religion have no bearing on the outcome.

wot?