You don't think there is any value in taking apart electronics? I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Btw, this notion that the supporters of this kid are supporting him because they think he invented something is bullshit. What most people support is a kid who is showing interest into a subject that could lead to something greater.
To give you an idea of how retarded this faux outrage about the kid not inventing something let me give you an analogy:
Let's say a kindergartener colors a drawing in a coloring book. They bring it into their class to show the teacher and say, "look at some art I drew". Does the teacher praise the child and say "good job" or do they tell the kid what a bad job they did and, "that's not art! You just colored in some book that already had line drawings in it! You didn't even color inside the lines! You are a fraud!"
The kid is fourteen years old. FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. Take the kiddie gloves off. He needs encouragement and GUIDANCE. Feeding into a delusion is not guidance and is the wrong kind of encouragement. I said REPEATEDLY that he should be encouraged but that goes in one ear and out the other with you. The only thing that registers is that I'm being critical of his interest. If genuine, I absolutely am not criticizing or discouraging that.
Now let's say you heard that story but instead of getting feedback and positive reinforcement for doing something extra outside of school the kid is arrested.
Normal people will say, "wtf!", while those with mental issues might say, "well they were probably arrested because the paper could have been laced with something poisonous". Sure that could be the case but it's not a reasonable thing to think nor is thinking a clock might be a bomb when a kid purposely takes his project to show his teachers.
You are assuming that they didn't have reason to be suspicious. Also, why do you think showing it to people disproves that it is a hoax? The suspicion is that he WANTED them to react this way and, thus, he had to show them. What you are doing is called "mischaracterization." Don't tell me that you forgot the suspicion/accusation.
However, let's say this clock does indeed look like a bomb. The reasonable person would inspect it or have it looked at by a professional and once it's determined not to be a bomb the kid should be let go. That's the reasonable approach.
Laughable. Captain Hindsight, strikes again. They don't let someone go just because it is not a real bomb when the suspicion is that it is a hoax bomb. How many times do we have to remind you that a hoax bomb is a serious offense too?! There was no proof of his intent but you can't say that there wasn't enough suspicion to attempt to determine his intent, especially if he refused to answer questions about it as they claim.
A "reasonable approach" would be to determine if it is a bomb or not and, if not, then determine if it is a hoax bomb or not. It was not a bomb but it was indeterminate if it was intended as a hoax bomb. Intent is what would make it a hoax bomb but it's hard to prove intent if it was intended to be denied. It doesn't mean it was or wasn't a hoax.
OMG who gives a fuck? Let the kid play with the thing.
Obviously, everyone continuing to claim that he is a genius who built/invented it. Why keep saying it if it wasn't notable or doesn't matter?
Acting weird isn't domestic terrorism. Stupidhead.
"Acting weird" with the intent of having them believe it is a hoax bomb is. There is evidence enough for suspicion but no proof. He is innocent until proven guilty, which is why he is free.
If I had to guess, the posters that are against the claims of being an inventor would gladly support him in trying to learn more about electrical engineering and creating hand-made devices.
My very first post on the topic from 09-16-2015, 08:42 PM, the very day I first heard about the incident:
35 years ago I started the Electronics class in my High School and the first project was a digital clock from a 555 Timer chip.
Sad to see in 2015 that Electronics class is considered Terrist.
That clearly isn't what this is. He gutted a commercially produced clock, threw away the housing, and stuck it in a box. Now,
I hope he learned something in the process (entirely possible) and I believe his curiosity should be encouraged, but we need to stop feeding his delusion that this is his "invention" or even something he made. He's 14 years old and still calling it "my invention." When I was 14 I was taking real electronics courses at home and was would not even remotely consider this an "invention."
I've restated this over and over and over but Eskimo, Victorian, and the like intentionally ignore it so that they can discourage and shame any attempt at having a reasonable discussion. It's not even possible to relate my ACTUAL experience as a 14yo electronics enthusiast without being called a racist bigot. Screw those morons.
...Oh and as far as the danger of AC current goes, it's a good lesson to teach/learn. Besides I'm sure he wasn't messing with the internals while it was plugged in, that would just make things super difficult with those tiny chords getting in the way. I appreciate your faux concern though
You don't belong on a tech forum with that level of ignorance.
The box is metallic so the danger was not "internal."
The box needed to be open and plugged in for the clock to be used/operated so the danger was not "internal."
Even if he did have a window and the controls were accessible externally so that it could be operated while closed, the transformer was loose/unsecured and uninsulated and could have damaged the clock itself or hurt someone touching the controls.
I don't think we have to feel insulted when someone like you has a negative opinion of us. You clearly don't think things through.
The fraud is in the planing, provocation and the subsequent money gathering based on a staged event, not the claim to have "invented" a clock. Dumbest forum evah
Of course, but it sounds like you are saying that it isn't related. It is still relevant. Ask: Which scenario does that claim bolster? Did he actually believe that he "built" or "invented" a "home-made" clock or did he claim that to deny that he intended for people to think was a hoax bomb?
His intentions are relevant because INTENT is the only thing that would make this a hoax bomb.
You being ignorant of the fact doesn't mean evidence hasn't been presented. Again, I suggest you read all 25 pages and follow up on the links and examples provided to catch up. I also didn't stereotype people in Texas, that would be a mischaracterization of my position.
You have been repeatedly invited to provide this evidence and you have not. Now you are claiming that it is buried in 25 pages. The debate rages on with each supporting detail lending more credibility to a certain side that you have yet to acknowledge.
If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.
Make me repeat it again.
[This] guy should be writing fiction novels with all the shit he thinks would happen.
His story is as true as this kid inventing or creating a clock. Yet you refuse to question the kid.
Why is that?
Its not as true you dumbshit because the kid was actually arrested and is actually a muslim and is actually brown skinned. His story is just a idea he got in his head.
Your story that he would not have been arrested because he isn't brown/musilm is just an idea you got stuck in your head.
You see how this works?
Look how they call it a [possible] hoax but they admit he [never] rewired the wired clock to operate from battery [or do anything else it wasn't originally manufactured to do]. Thats pretty advanced [simple] for a 14 [seven] year old with no training.
You aren't satisfied with simply not being intelligent enough to see it for yourself. You can't even be bothered to read/understand the observations you try to contradict.
MANUFACTURED ALARM CLOCK ARE MADE WITH BATTERY BACKUPS SO THAT YOU WILL STILL GET YOUR ALARM IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE.
Furthermore, project clocks would use an off-the-shelf PSU because it adds pointless complexity. It complicates the project at hand because the PSU is not part of the project and now must be troubleshooted also if there is any problem with the clock. Why risk ruining the project for something that wasn't even part of the project?
You also wouldn't use ribbon cable like that. It's made for manufacturing simplicity. A hobby project would use individual wires or a ribbon cable with connectors/headers. I didn't say "might use" either... I said "WOULD USE" because I have the enough personal and authoritative experience to make such a claim.
That kind of ribbon cable is not very flexible and has solid core wires inside. It does not tolerate much flexing and will break at the PCB through-holes or solder points if it isn't rigidly secured shortly after being positioned/assembled. They use it instead of loose wires to maintain spacing for the PCB connection. A hobby project using a ribbon cable to keep it tidy would use a traditionally flexible stranded-core ribbon cable with IDC (Insulation Displacement Connector) crimped on, like an IDE cable used in old PCs. The connector would plug onto a header which would GREATLY improve the ability to solder and troubleshoot the project. A bad cable can be re-crimped or replaced. A bad solder joint could be diagnosed through the header pins by testing continuity. The two assemblies would not be dangling from each other while trying to work with one.
It would not make any sense to engineer a remote button board off the main PCB without even mounting it. It wouldn't make any sense to engineer your own PCBs, build in a PSU, and not isolate the PSU components that require it. Why build it in at all?!
You should have been able to asses all of that the very moment the picture came out. Instead, you attacked anyone who did notice and went on stupidly believing that the kid did something to this off-the-shelf alarm clock. I would be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. YOU should be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. What is your excuse? Even self-described "software guys" should know this stuff because it's COMMON SENSE. Seriously basic, basic, basic stuff.
Why do you keep caring about the level of skill required to do this thing? When the broader [possibly staged] issue is Islamophobia? When will we realize when you treat people like this you end up potentially radicalizing them?
FTFY