Teen creates clock, shows teacher who think it's a bomb, teen gets arrested

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justoh

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It's a simple choice.

He's

1. autistic.

Why are you trolling, young man?
It's a clock
What is the meaning of this?
I invented it.

2. an intentional troll.

Why are you trolling us, young man?
It's a clock
What is the meaning of this?
I invented it.

Which seems more likely? It's like 40% 60% at least, in favor of troll. I think it's more like 10/90
 

LegendKiller

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It's a simple choice.

He's

1. autistic.

Why are you trolling, young man?
It's a clock
What is the meaning of this?
I invented it.

2. an intentional troll.

Why are you trolling us, young man?
It's a clock
What is the meaning of this?
I invented it.

Which seems more likely? It's like 40% 60% at least, in favor of troll. I think it's more like 10/90
Agreed. The preponderance of evidence points to almost certainly a troll. However, people won't push for answers because they don't want to seem racist, which is what the left will automatically call them if they do.

The WH, and everybody else, probably knows at this point it was a scam but it is too late to back out, not to mention, why waste a good racism scandal if nobody has (or can) call it out as false.
 

justoh

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It's just the only plausible scenario. He doesn't seem autistic on tv, in any case. Who knows. Maybe he is. Aren't we all?
 

JSt0rm

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It's just the only plausible scenario. He doesn't seem autistic on tv, in any case. Who knows. Maybe he is. Aren't we all?


Autism is on a sliding scale... I know most people around here have extreme cases but maybe this kid doesnt. OR maybe he does. Honestly he looks like he posts at anandtech.
 

TheSlamma

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Too bad Micronta isn't still around, be interesting to see how they would want to proceed legally.

I'm off to go invent a new laundry detergent, first I need to stop by the store for some Tide and some empty bottles though.
 

CZroe

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You don't think there is any value in taking apart electronics? I guess we will have to agree to disagree.


Btw, this notion that the supporters of this kid are supporting him because they think he invented something is bullshit. What most people support is a kid who is showing interest into a subject that could lead to something greater.

To give you an idea of how retarded this faux outrage about the kid not inventing something let me give you an analogy:
Let's say a kindergartener colors a drawing in a coloring book. They bring it into their class to show the teacher and say, "look at some art I drew". Does the teacher praise the child and say "good job" or do they tell the kid what a bad job they did and, "that's not art! You just colored in some book that already had line drawings in it! You didn't even color inside the lines! You are a fraud!"
The kid is fourteen years old. FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. Take the kiddie gloves off. He needs encouragement and GUIDANCE. Feeding into a delusion is not guidance and is the wrong kind of encouragement. I said REPEATEDLY that he should be encouraged but that goes in one ear and out the other with you. The only thing that registers is that I'm being critical of his interest. If genuine, I absolutely am not criticizing or discouraging that.

Now let's say you heard that story but instead of getting feedback and positive reinforcement for doing something extra outside of school the kid is arrested.

Normal people will say, "wtf!", while those with mental issues might say, "well they were probably arrested because the paper could have been laced with something poisonous". Sure that could be the case but it's not a reasonable thing to think nor is thinking a clock might be a bomb when a kid purposely takes his project to show his teachers.
You are assuming that they didn't have reason to be suspicious. Also, why do you think showing it to people disproves that it is a hoax? The suspicion is that he WANTED them to react this way and, thus, he had to show them. What you are doing is called "mischaracterization." Don't tell me that you forgot the suspicion/accusation.

However, let's say this clock does indeed look like a bomb. The reasonable person would inspect it or have it looked at by a professional and once it's determined not to be a bomb the kid should be let go. That's the reasonable approach.
Laughable. Captain Hindsight, strikes again. They don't let someone go just because it is not a real bomb when the suspicion is that it is a hoax bomb. How many times do we have to remind you that a hoax bomb is a serious offense too?! There was no proof of his intent but you can't say that there wasn't enough suspicion to attempt to determine his intent, especially if he refused to answer questions about it as they claim.

A "reasonable approach" would be to determine if it is a bomb or not and, if not, then determine if it is a hoax bomb or not. It was not a bomb but it was indeterminate if it was intended as a hoax bomb. Intent is what would make it a hoax bomb but it's hard to prove intent if it was intended to be denied. It doesn't mean it was or wasn't a hoax.

OMG who gives a fuck? Let the kid play with the thing.
Obviously, everyone continuing to claim that he is a genius who built/invented it. Why keep saying it if it wasn't notable or doesn't matter?

Acting weird isn't domestic terrorism. Stupidhead.
"Acting weird" with the intent of having them believe it is a hoax bomb is. There is evidence enough for suspicion but no proof. He is innocent until proven guilty, which is why he is free.

If I had to guess, the posters that are against the claims of being an inventor would gladly support him in trying to learn more about electrical engineering and creating hand-made devices.
My very first post on the topic from 09-16-2015, 08:42 PM, the very day I first heard about the incident:
35 years ago I started the Electronics class in my High School and the first project was a digital clock from a 555 Timer chip.

Sad to see in 2015 that Electronics class is considered Terrist.
That clearly isn't what this is. He gutted a commercially produced clock, threw away the housing, and stuck it in a box. Now, I hope he learned something in the process (entirely possible) and I believe his curiosity should be encouraged, but we need to stop feeding his delusion that this is his "invention" or even something he made. He's 14 years old and still calling it "my invention." When I was 14 I was taking real electronics courses at home and was would not even remotely consider this an "invention."

I've restated this over and over and over but Eskimo, Victorian, and the like intentionally ignore it so that they can discourage and shame any attempt at having a reasonable discussion. It's not even possible to relate my ACTUAL experience as a 14yo electronics enthusiast without being called a racist bigot. Screw those morons.

...Oh and as far as the danger of AC current goes, it's a good lesson to teach/learn. Besides I'm sure he wasn't messing with the internals while it was plugged in, that would just make things super difficult with those tiny chords getting in the way. I appreciate your faux concern though
You don't belong on a tech forum with that level of ignorance.
The box is metallic so the danger was not "internal."
The box needed to be open and plugged in for the clock to be used/operated so the danger was not "internal."
Even if he did have a window and the controls were accessible externally so that it could be operated while closed, the transformer was loose/unsecured and uninsulated and could have damaged the clock itself or hurt someone touching the controls.

I don't think we have to feel insulted when someone like you has a negative opinion of us. You clearly don't think things through.

The fraud is in the planing, provocation and the subsequent money gathering based on a staged event, not the claim to have "invented" a clock. Dumbest forum evah
Of course, but it sounds like you are saying that it isn't related. It is still relevant. Ask: Which scenario does that claim bolster? Did he actually believe that he "built" or "invented" a "home-made" clock or did he claim that to deny that he intended for people to think was a hoax bomb?

His intentions are relevant because INTENT is the only thing that would make this a hoax bomb.

You being ignorant of the fact doesn't mean evidence hasn't been presented. Again, I suggest you read all 25 pages and follow up on the links and examples provided to catch up. I also didn't stereotype people in Texas, that would be a mischaracterization of my position.
You have been repeatedly invited to provide this evidence and you have not. Now you are claiming that it is buried in 25 pages. The debate rages on with each supporting detail lending more credibility to a certain side that you have yet to acknowledge.

If I threw an identical 1980s clock into an identical case, broke the latch off and wrapped a piece of wire around it to hold it shut, aroused suspicion with the alarm going off in a classroom, acted evasive and lied about what it was when questioned ("It's my invention. I built it."), then I would most certainly be arrested/detained and questioned. Period.

Make me repeat it again.
[This] guy should be writing fiction novels with all the shit he thinks would happen.

His story is as true as this kid inventing or creating a clock. Yet you refuse to question the kid.

Why is that?
Its not as true you dumbshit because the kid was actually arrested and is actually a muslim and is actually brown skinned. His story is just a idea he got in his head.
Your story that he would not have been arrested because he isn't brown/musilm is just an idea you got stuck in your head.

You see how this works?

Look how they call it a [possible] hoax but they admit he [never] rewired the wired clock to operate from battery [or do anything else it wasn't originally manufactured to do]. Thats pretty advanced [simple] for a 14 [seven] year old with no training.
You aren't satisfied with simply not being intelligent enough to see it for yourself. You can't even be bothered to read/understand the observations you try to contradict.

MANUFACTURED ALARM CLOCK ARE MADE WITH BATTERY BACKUPS SO THAT YOU WILL STILL GET YOUR ALARM IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE.

Furthermore, project clocks would use an off-the-shelf PSU because it adds pointless complexity. It complicates the project at hand because the PSU is not part of the project and now must be troubleshooted also if there is any problem with the clock. Why risk ruining the project for something that wasn't even part of the project?

You also wouldn't use ribbon cable like that. It's made for manufacturing simplicity. A hobby project would use individual wires or a ribbon cable with connectors/headers. I didn't say "might use" either... I said "WOULD USE" because I have the enough personal and authoritative experience to make such a claim.

That kind of ribbon cable is not very flexible and has solid core wires inside. It does not tolerate much flexing and will break at the PCB through-holes or solder points if it isn't rigidly secured shortly after being positioned/assembled. They use it instead of loose wires to maintain spacing for the PCB connection. A hobby project using a ribbon cable to keep it tidy would use a traditionally flexible stranded-core ribbon cable with IDC (Insulation Displacement Connector) crimped on, like an IDE cable used in old PCs. The connector would plug onto a header which would GREATLY improve the ability to solder and troubleshoot the project. A bad cable can be re-crimped or replaced. A bad solder joint could be diagnosed through the header pins by testing continuity. The two assemblies would not be dangling from each other while trying to work with one.

It would not make any sense to engineer a remote button board off the main PCB without even mounting it. It wouldn't make any sense to engineer your own PCBs, build in a PSU, and not isolate the PSU components that require it. Why build it in at all?!

You should have been able to asses all of that the very moment the picture came out. Instead, you attacked anyone who did notice and went on stupidly believing that the kid did something to this off-the-shelf alarm clock. I would be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. YOU should be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. What is your excuse? Even self-described "software guys" should know this stuff because it's COMMON SENSE. Seriously basic, basic, basic stuff.

Why do you keep caring about the level of skill required to do this thing? When the broader [possibly staged] issue is Islamophobia? When will we realize when you treat people like this you end up potentially radicalizing them?

FTFY
 
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JSt0rm

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The kid is fourteen years old. FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. Take the kiddie gloves off. He needs encouragement and GUIDANCE. Feeding into a delusion is not guidance and is the wrong kind of encouragement. I said REPEATEDLY that he should be encouraged but that goes in one ear and out the other with you. The only thing that registers is that I'm being critical of his interest. If genuine, I absolutely am not criticizing or discouraging that.


You are assuming that they didn't have reason to be suspicious. Also, why do you think showing it to people disproves that it is a hoax? The suspicious is that he WANTED them to react this way and, thus, he had to show them. What you are doing is called "mischaracterization." Don't tell me that you forgot the suspicion/accusation.


Laughable. Captain Hindsight, strikes again. They don't let someone go just because it is not a real bomb when the suspicion is that it is a hoax bomb. How many times do we have to remind you that a hoax bomb is a serious offense too?! There was no proof of his intent but you can't say that there wasn't enough suspicion to attempt to determine his intent, especially if he refused to answer questions about it as they claim.

A "reasonable approach" would be to determine if it is a bomb or not and, if not, then determine if it is a hoax bomb or not. It was not a bomb but it was indeterminate if it was intended as a hoax bomb. Intent is what would make it a hoax bomb but it's hard to prove intent if it was intended to be denied. It doesn't mean it was or wasn't a hoax.


Obviously, everyone continuing to claim that he is a genius who built/invented it. Why keep saying it if it wasn't notable or doesn't matter?


"Acting weird" with the intent of having them believe it is a hoax bomb is. There is evidence enough for suspicion but no proof. He is innocent until proven guilty, which is why he is free.


My very first post on the topic from 09-16-2015, 08:42 PM, the very day I first heard about the incident:


I've restated this over and over and over but Eskimo, Victorian, and the like intentionally ignore it so that they can discourage and shame any attempt at having a reasonable discussion. It's not even possible to relate my ACTUAL experience as a 14yo electronics enthusiast without being called a racist bigot. Screw those morons.


You don't belong on a tech forum with that level of ignorance.
The box is metallic so the danger was not "internal."
The box needed to be open and plugged in for the clock to be used/operated so the danger was not "internal."
Even if he did have a window and the controls were accessible externally so that it could be operated while closed, the transformer was loose/unsecured and uninsulated and could have damaged the clock itself or hurt someone touching the controls.

I don't think we have to feel insulted when someone like you has a negative opinion of us. You clearly don't think things through.


Of course, but it sounds like you are saying that it isn't related. It is still relevant. Ask: Which scenario does that claim bolster? Did he actually believe that he "built" or "invented" a "home-made" clock or did he claim that to deny that he intended for people to think was a hoax bomb?

His intentions are relevant because INTENT is the only thing that would make this a hoax bomb.


You have been repeatedly invited to provide this evidence and you have not. Now you are claiming that it is buried in 25 pages. The debate rages on with each supporting detail lending more credibility to a certain side that you have yet to acknowledge.


Your story that he would not have been arrested because he isn't brown/musilm is just an idea you got stuck in your head.

You see how this works?


You aren't satisfied with simply not being intelligent enough to see it for yourself. You can't even be bothered to read/understand the observations you try to contradict.

MANUFACTURED ALARM CLOCK ARE MADE WITH BATTERY BACKUPS SO THAT YOU WILL STILL GET YOUR ALARM IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE.

Furthermore, project clocks would use an off-the-shelf PSU because it adds pointless complexity. It complicates the project at hand because the PSU is not part of the project and now must be troubleshooted also if there is any problem with the clock. Why risk ruining the project for something that wasn't even part of the project?

You also wouldn't use ribbon cable like that. It's made for manufacturing simplicity. A hobby project would use individual wires or a ribbon cable with connectors/headers. I didn't say "might use" either... I said "WOULD USE" because I have the enough personal and authoritative experience to make such a claim.

That kind of ribbon cable is not very flexible and has solid core wires inside. It does not tolerate much flexing and will break at the PCB through-holes or solder points if it isn't rigidly secured shortly after being positioned/assembled. They use it instead of loose wires to maintain spacing for the PCB connection. A hobby project using a ribbon cable to keep it tidy would use a traditionally flexible stranded-core ribbon cable with IDC (Insulation Displacement Connector) crimped on, like an IDE cable used in old PCs. The connector would plug onto a header which would GREATLY improve the ability to solder and troubleshoot the project. A bad cable can be re-crimped or replaced. A bad solder joint could be diagnosed through the header pins by testing continuity. The two assemblies would not be dangling from each other while trying to work with one.

It would not make any sense to engineer a remote button board off the main PCB without even mounting it. It wouldn't make any sense to engineer your own PCBs, build in a PSU, and not isolate the PSU components that require it. Why build it in at all?!

You should have been able to asses all of that the very moment the picture came out. Instead, you attacked anyone who did notice and went on stupidly believing that the kid did something to this off-the-shelf alarm clock. I would be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. YOU should be embarrassed to be that ignorant about electronics. What is your excuse? Even self-described "software guys" should know this stuff because it's COMMON SENSE. Seriously basic, basic, basic stuff.



FTFY


lol look at this effort post.

 

BoberFett

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Joe the plumber was lying, there was proof. What proof do you have the Ahmed was (insert whatever it is now that you are accusing him of)?

Hopefully we'll find out over the coming weeks. I'd be happy to be proven wrong and have it turn out he's just a nerdy kid who was railroaded by the man, but I'm pessimistic.
 

fskimospy

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And people like Joe the plumber get mocked as the phony victims they are. This is no different, but where you mock Joe you applaud Ahmed, because it supports your narrative.

I don't applaud Ahmed.

Also, I'm much more reluctant to mock children than I am to mock fully grown men for reasons that should be obvious.
 

CZroe

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Indeed, you are even worse than fucking dumb if you think he didn't intentionally make it look suspicious when he, himself, admitted it would look suspicious.
did he admit that in hindsight?
No. He said he tied it shut with a wire instead of locking it so it wouldn't look suspicious.

- you can't see whether this case is locked without putting your eyeball 1 inch away from the keyhole and peering in

- a wire around the latch makes it more suspicious and helps it meet the USPS guideline for a suspicious package

No reasonable person would think exposed wires wrapped through/around the latch would make it "less suspicious."

From the kid's own mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE#t=1m25s
Skip to 1m25s

ok buddy. So after the fact then.
Do you speak English?
He described that he knew PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT that it could be seen as suspicious and threatening.
He did something PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT that raised further suspicions and made it appear more threatening.

You conclude that all this was "after the fact" even though he nonsensically explained it as being an attempt to make it appear less suspicious/threatening PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT. Aren't you embarrassed?! If I were you I know I would be absolutely ASHAMED of my demonstrated lack of intelligence after that quote tree.

Oh look, more bullshit.

It has been pretty funny to watch you guys wander farther and farther afield in search of a way to justify your position. First it was the attempt to focus on who 'built' the clock, as if that were the controversy instead of the police reaction. Now you guys have moved on to inventing scenarios and blindly declaring that everyone would be arrested in that same situation, based on literally nothing.

This is stupid.
Nope. You're missing something. They've been saying from the start that anyone could take that exact same clock and get arrested under the same conditions that they suspect were in play here, like not answering the questions with the intention of being arrested.

If my goal was to get arrested so I could sue for wrongful arrest while still being able to deny that it was intended as a hoax bomb, I could have done exactly that. I can take mine right now and go get arrested. I wouldn't be able to claim that I was being racially profiled, so my lawsuit would have very little chance of success, but that just means his family had more motivation for such a scam.

He very well may be innocent because the claims that he didn't cooperate with the police are just claims at this point, but so are his own claims. The fact remains that anyone with the intention of being arrested could replicate all of the facts and get arrested so it cannot be used as proof that he was arrested for being brown/Muslim.

Stop trying.
You lost that argument a long, loooooong time ago.
Wait for more details before you try to refute it again.

Every comment on every subject eh? What's next? SJW? <sigh>

And I used to think that you were one of the 'sane ones' in here.
Out of real responses. We made this.

You guys! HE USED A WIRE TO KEEP THE CASE CLOSED!!!

That's about as terroristy as you can get! Did you see that picture of a bunch of bombs? Did you notice what they all had in common? A FUCKING WIRE KEEPING EVERYTHING TOGETHER!!

OMG! HOW DO YOU GUYS NOT GET THIS!!!




/s

Did you conveniently forget his stated reason for using said wire?

sure. A response is a response is a response.

What do you think the response should be when its clear something isnt a bomb?
"Clearly not a bomb" does not mean "clearly not intended to be confused for a bomb or hoax bomb (the very definition of a hoax bomb) and, thus, should not be investigated further." Your attempt at logic ignores this. Nice try.

poor poor white people. Not 1 white person in all of mit. It must be so hard.


Student Body

Enrollment by Gender
Male55% Female45% Enrollment numbers from Winter 2014-Spring 2015 school year.

Enrollment by Race/Ethnicity

American Indian or Alaskan native0.27%Asian23.94%Black or African American5.28%Hispanic/Latino16.36%White36.95%Two or More Races5.06%Race/Ethnicity Unknown2.25%Non-Resident Alien9.89%

oh wait my bad. I guess retard1980 wont be happy till we get back to 100% white schools.
Wow. What a leap. He was saying that the school would have regrets for inviting him if it is proven to be a scam and you try to pretend that he is excited at the prospect because he wants to reduce minority enrollment.

Who's being accused of moving goal posts again?

...but then you follow up with this gem:
He was crying that white people dont get anything. Hes a fucking idiot and you shoudlnt defend him.
Is that really what he was doing? :hmm:

Nefarious kid planning a bomb hoax at school:

"first thing in the school day, show 'it' to one of my teachers and explain what 'it' is (a clock). Then 'hide' the 'hoax bomb' in my pack and don't say anything to anyone else about it. Then, wait for the alarm that I set earlier to go off in another class, explain to that teacher what it is (a clock). Then, wait for the teacher to panic (all previously planned for of course) and call the principle who will, in turn, call the police (again, planned for). The police will then ask me why I built this device and I will explain that it's a clock while knowing full well that they won't believe me."

Yep, makes perfect sense.

It's truly sad to see so many people frightened of a 14 year old kid.

This is so silly I don't know where to start.

If I see you building a chicken coop with wood, hammer, nails, chicken wire (the hexagonal mesh fencing made with super-thin wire), etc, it stands to reason that you obtained wood, made measurements, cut wood, bought other materials, had/made/bought tools, etc. These things don't make my observation less likely.

If the goal was to cause an over-reaction then shopping it around from teacher to teacher and setting it to go off in his backpack makes PERFECT sense, as does the police claim that he was uncooperative and the parents/sibling being poised to take advantage of it and his careful lawyer-like statements to the media. No one ever said or suspected that his plan hinged on the first teacher reacting one way and another teacher reacting another. It would be very easy to answer (or not answer) in a way that would get them to call the police if that were your goal. It doesn't make it less believable.

You don't seem to understand that "simplest explanation" refers to which one supports MORE details with fewer assumptions, not which one requires you to ignore more details. Conspiracy theories fall apart at exactly this point. It makes no sense that the USA could fake a moon landing and keep it secret or a government could recruit so many people/resources for gang-stalking. The conspiracy scenario requires FAR more assumptions to explain all that. We have two sets of claims. Show me details that refute the suspicious scenario and support his claimed scenario. So far, all of those details you listed to laugh at support one a bit more than the other, and it's clearly NOT the one you intended to have them support.

ok so its a felony.

Now what constitutes a hoax bomb? It should be in the laws you found.
INTENT. The very thing we have been discussing and which you refuse to consider MAY be a possibility.

where do you people get your ideas? Like what news sites do you read to warp your minds so much?
I watched the same videos and read the same sites as you and came to the conclusion that EITHER was possible before I heard anyone else say so. The moment I opened my mouth your disgusting bandwagon counter-attacked accusing me of racism even though I still thoroughly believe that the kid could be telling the truth. When other people happen to see what I see and later make articles about it, your bandwagon accuses me of basing my thoughts on those articles so that they can dismiss any logic before it prints on their screen.

Shameful.

when has a white person ever been the victim of systemic racism in the united states?

I cant believe you people say such stupid shit.
The argument is that this has nothing to do with any person, white, black, brown, or otherwise, being "the victim of systemic racism in the United States." You're on a bandwagon. Get off it.
 
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JSt0rm

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Do you speak English?
He described that he knew PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT that it could be seen as suspicious and threatening.
He did something PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT that raised further suspicions and made it appear more threatening.

You conclude that all this was "after the fact" even though he nonsensically explained it as being an attempt to make it appear less suspicious/threatening PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT. Aren't you embarrassed?! If I were you I know I would be absolutely ASHAMED of my demonstrated lack of intelligence after that quote tree.


Nope. You're missing something. They've been saying from the start that anyone could take that exact same clock and get arrested under the same conditions that they suspect were in play here, like not answering the questions with the intention of being arrested.

If my goal was to get arrested so I could sue for wrongful arrest while still being able to deny that it was intended as a hoax bomb, I could have done exactly that. I can take mine right now and go get arrested. I wouldn't be able to claim that I was being racially profiled, so my lawsuit would have very little chance of success, but that just means his family had more motivation for such a scam.

He very well may be innocent because the claims that he didn't cooperate with the police are just claims at this point, but so are his own claims. The fact remains that anyone with the intention of being arrested could replicate all of the facts and get arrested so it cannot be used as proof that he was arrested for being brown/Muslim.

Stop trying.
You lost that argument a long, loooooong time ago.
Wait for more details before you try to refute it again.


Out of real responses. We made this.



Did you conveniently forget his stated reason for using said wire?


"Clearly not a bomb" does not mean "clearly not intended to be confused for a bomb or hoax bomb (the very definition of a hoax bomb) and, thus, should not be investigated further." Your attempt at logic ignores this. Nice try.


Wow. What a leap. He was saying that the school would have regrets for inviting him if it is proven to be a scam and you try to pretend that he is excited at the prospect because he wants to reduce minority enrollment.

Who's being accused of moving goal posts again?

...but then you follow up with this gem:

Is that really what he was doing? :hmm:



This is so silly I don't know where to start.

If I see you building a chicken coup with wood, hammer, nails, chicken wire (the hexagonal mesh fencing made with super-thin wire), etc, it stands to reason that you obtained wood, made measurements, cut wood, bought other materials, had/made/bought tools, etc. These things don't make my observation less likely.

If the goal was to cause an over-reaction then shopping it around from teacher to teacher and setting it to go off in his backpack makes PERFECT sense, as does the police claim that he was uncooperative and the parents/sibling being poised to take advantage of it and his careful lawyer-like statements to the media. No one ever said suspected that his plan hinged on the first teacher reacting one way and another teacher reacting another. It would be very easy to answer (or not answer) in a way that would get them to call the police if that were your goal. It doesn't make it less believable.

You don't seem to understand that "simplest explanation" refers to which one supports MORE details with fewer assumptions, not which one requires you to ignore more details. Conspiracy theories fall apart at exactly this point. It makes no sense that the USA could fake a moon landing and keep it secret or a government could recruit so many people/resources for gang-stalking. The conspiracy scenario requires FAR more assumptions to explain all that. We have two sets of claims. Show me details that refute the suspicious scenario and support his claimed scenario. So far, all of those details you listed to laugh at support one a bit more than the other, and it's clearly NOT the one you intended to have them support.


INTENT. The very thing we have been discussing and which you refuse to consider MAY be a possibility.


I watched the same videos and read the same sites as you and came to the conclusion that EITHER was possible before I heard anyone else say so. The moment I opened my mouth your disgusting bandwagon counter-attacked accusing me of racism even though I still thoroughly believe that the kid could be telling the truth. When other people happen to see what I see and later make articles about it, your bandwagon accuses me of basing my thoughts on those articles so that they can dismiss any logic before it prints on their screen.

Shameful.


The argument is that this has nothing to do with any person, white, black, brown, or otherwise, being "the victim of systemic racism in the United States." You're on a bandwagon. Get off it.







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The only people using talking points are liberal nutters like you.

Your whole theory depends on calling everyone involved Racists and islamophobes.

You cannot see this story past your liberal bubble.

Show me one post in this thread where I've called anyone either a racist or Islamophobe.
 
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