Ok, go for it. Let's see some video you car surfing while the driver hits the brakes hard and swerves all over the place.Originally posted by: aswedc
Either way he died because he wasn't paying enough attention after he saw the police car. Not because the activity was as ridiculously dangerous as ATOT wants to make it out to be. Not focusing on what you're doing can kill you in many, many situations."Police say Ben either lost his grip or let go as a marked police car appeared from the opposite direction. That's when Ben fell from the car, and his head hit the road. He died the following day at the hospital of respiratory failure caused by head trauma"
looks like to me they are not sure if he lost his grip or let go.
Originally posted by: aswedc
1) Animal/child darts into road causing rider to swerve. Motorcycle loses control.Several ways:
1) Animal/child darts into road causing driver to swerve. Surfer loses control.
2) Car pulls out in front of driver who then hits brakes hard. Surfer loses control.
3) Car hits bump or pothole, surfer loses control.
4) Bug hits surfer in the face, surfer loses control.
5) Cop sees surfer, pulls car over and arrests driver and surfer.
Want more?
2) Car pulls out in front of rider who then hits brakes hard. Loses control.
3) Motorcycle hits bump or pothole, rider loses control.
4) Bug hits rider in the face, rider loses control.
5) Cop sees surfer, pulls car over and arrests driver and surfer.
You only got one. And it doesn't involve physical danger. Try again.
And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.
I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.
even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.
You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.
There's the flaw in your "logic". There's no such thing as a smart car surfer.Originally posted by: aswedc
And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.
I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.
even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.
You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.
Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.
See #12) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.
And the driver of the car can't do this?3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.
And the "surfer" can't do this?4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.
Originally posted by: tami
shame. it's truly sad how many teenagers think they will get away with such things. it's completely visible to anyone around them.
worse is when those kids think they can go "subway surfing" on top of the new york city subways. little do they know that when the subway hits a low clearance tunnel, they're gone for. the scarier part is that sometimes their bodies aren't found for a few days since it's still on the roof of the subway.
I'll make it nice and simple for you.ok so now he wasn't paying attention? but you said he let go. so what is it?
Compared to this statement, which contains no logic at all...There's the flaw in your "logic". There's no such thing as a smart car surfer.
Originally posted by: aswedc
Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.
See #12) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.
And the driver of the car can't do this?3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.
And the "surfer" can't do this?4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.
Originally posted by: aswedc
And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.
I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.
even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.
You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.
Why? This is fun!Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.
When the car is going 30mph and the bike is going 85mph? Yup. No one is going to "car surf" at the same speed they drive. The article contained no indication of speed so we can't judge that factor.Are you seriously suggesting that you have as much control over whether your head hits the pavement when you are hanging on to the roof of a car as you do when you are driving a motercycle???
Originally posted by: aswedc
Why? This is fun!Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.
When the car is going 30mph and the bike is going 85mph? Yup. No one is going to "car surf" at the same speed they drive. The article contained no indication of speed so we can't judge that factor.Are you seriously suggesting that you have as much control over whether your head hits the pavement when you are hanging on to the roof of a car as you do when you are driving a motercycle???
You mean 85mph? Can you people read?Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.
Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
sorry chief, but a 4.0 at western kentucky won't get you into MIT. they probly don't have an engineering or science department
Originally posted by: aswedc
You mean 85mph? Can you people read?Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.
Originally posted by: mi xiao
i blame teen wolf the movie.
I drove by a case where a motorcycle making an emergency stop wasn't ok.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aswedc
You mean 85mph? Can you people read?Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.
You can make emergency stops on a motorcycle at 85mph.
Your point is moot.
Originally posted by: aswedc
You mean 85mph? Can you people read?Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.
Oh, I see. Now we're putting a greater emphasis on illegal activity on a motorcycle. Nice way to adjust the argument to suit your whacked-out logic.Originally posted by: aswedc
Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.
Sure he can. But the g-forces on the surfer on the roof will most likely cause him to lose control and fly off of the car. THINK!See #12) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.
And the driver of the car can't do this?3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.
Going to put a faring on the front of the roof of a car in order to go car surfing? Wow.And the "surfer" can't do this?4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.