Teen Dies After Fall While 'Car Surfing'

[aswedc]

I can see the point aswedc is trying to make.

This kid did the greater risk thing.

The problem with all the judgements here is we don't even know if he put himself at greater risk.

We don't know how secure he was on the roof, or what protection he was wearing.

We don't know the speed of the car.

All we know is that a police car startled him and he ended up on the ground.

Not quite enough to win a Darwin award here.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aswedc

ok so now he wasn't paying attention? but you said he let go. so what is it?

I'll make it nice and simple for you.

His death was a direct result of seeing a police car.

Oh? You know something the police and everyone else don't?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.

Well, he's obviously a glutton for pwnage!

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: mi xiao
i blame teen wolf the movie.

Yep, its those damn movies and video games causing all this violence and death in this world!!!

 

[aswedc]

Oh, I see. Now we're putting a greater emphasis on illegal activity on a motorcycle. Nice way to adjust the argument to suit your whacked-out logic.

Ok, lets start at the basics and go from there.

Please indulge me with this yes or no question.

Can "car surfing" at 5mph be considered relatively safe?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: aswedc

ok so now he wasn't paying attention? but you said he let go. so what is it?

I'll make it nice and simple for you.

His death was a direct result of seeing a police car.

i know we are not sopposed to call people names. but you are an idiot.

His death was a direct resutl from doing something dumb such as getting ON TOP of a moving car.

As others have said. when a car swerves momentem will knock you off the car. a sudden stop will make you fall off the car.

I have went from 85+ to zero in seconds safely on my bike. I have swerved around cars when going 60+ safely. heck i have even laid it down going 80 and walked away (thank god for full gear)

No go get on the roof of a car and try any of that. you will NOT stay on. I gurentee that.

but i do agree at slow speeds on a emtpy road with a experianced driver you do cut the risk down. though i dont think even full rideing gear would save the guy.

 

[aswedc]

No go get on the roof of a car and try any of that. you will NOT stay on. I gurentee that.

Done. Actually it's probably better to get your kicks from swerving and stopping because then the car covers less road, giving less chances for the unexpected.

You have to start slow and judge how much force you can take. Then, signal the driver to hold it there. At that spot, the required force should be no more than pulling yourself up on water skis.

 

[eLiu]

Originally posted by: franksta
How can we blame this on video games?

you can kinda car-surf in GTA...or at least i stand on the car and ride around shooting at other people/cars

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: aswedc

I can see the point aswedc is trying to make.

This kid did the greater risk thing.

The problem with all the judgements here is we don't even know if he put himself at greater risk.

We don't know how secure he was on the roof, or what protection he was wearing.

We don't know the speed of the car.

All we know is that a police car startled him and he ended up on the ground.

Not quite enough to win a Darwin award here.

The hell we don't! The kid is dead! Clearly he was not secure at all on the roof.

You are comparing apples to the Space Shuttle here. Give up already.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: aswedc

And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.

Bwahaha! I'm sorry, I had to stop right there.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: aswedc

No go get on the roof of a car and try any of that. you will NOT stay on. I gurentee that.

Done. Actually it's probably better to get your kicks from swerving and stopping because then the car covers less road, giving less chances for the unexpected.

You have to start slow and judge how much force you can take. Then, signal the driver to hold it there. At that spot, the required force should be no more than pulling yourself up on water skis.

Run at full speed, leaning head first into a wall.

That should give you a rough approximation on what this moron did.

It was not the cop car, it was the head tramua from the fall. If you drive a car, and get into a head on collision you have a good chance of living. Why? Seat Belts, Air Bags, crumple zones in the vehicle frame. Motorcyclists should at least wear a helmet, along with hopefully some sort of protective clothing.

"Car surfing" is the sport of morons, and this goes to prove it further.

If you are going to do a stupid stunt, at least take basic procautions and wear a helmet as bones can be reset, and most wounds can heal. The human skull is not designed for massive blunt force tramua. Anyone who thinks otherwise, just start at the top of my post for proof.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
sorry chief, but a 4.0 at western kentucky won't get you into MIT. they probly don't have an engineering or science department

still, a 4.0 at any university shows a willingness to study and to work, and when he died he was probably more educated than most americans.

Its a shame he died this way, but who hasn't done something stupid just for kicks?

I admit this is pretty extreme, and I haven't done anything quite so dangerous, but kids will be kids, and even if it is completely his fault, its a shame that he is dead.

 

[aswedc]

Ok, lets start at the basics and go from there.

Please indulge me with this yes or no question.

Can "car surfing" at 5mph be considered relatively safe?

Ok, tired of waiting.

Hint: Answer is yes.

Next question. Can "car surfing" at some speeds and conditions be considered relatively safe?

Hint: If you answered "yes" to the first question you have no choice but to answer "yes" again.

Do we know what conditions or speed the "car surfer" in the article was at?

Hint: Answer is no.

Can we determine if the "car surfer" in the article was taking the necessary precautions to be "relatively safe"? (Remember, earlier in this test we should have established "car surfing" can be relatively safe in some conditions)

Hint: Answer is no.

Are there also "relatively safe" and "relatively unsafe" speeds and conditions in which people commonly ride a motorcycle?

Hint: Answer is yes.

Do people riding motorcycles sometimes die even in "relatively safe" conditions?

Hint: Answer is yes.

Final exam:

Can we award the Darwin award to someone who could have been behaving in a "relatively safe" manner?

...........

 

[JulesMaximus]

Let me spell it out for you:

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.
-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.
-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.
-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.
-Car surfing is illegal.

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Let me spell it out for you:

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.
-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.
-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.
-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.
-Car surfing is illegal.

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

What he said.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Let me spell it out for you:

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.
-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.
-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.
-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.
-Car surfing is illegal.

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

Neither have you, other than the "but you're not supposed to do that!" point. Unfortunetly, I have to get some work done soon. Please reply to post above yours.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: aswedc

ok so now he wasn't paying attention? but you said he let go. so what is it?

I'll make it nice and simple for you.

His death was a direct result of seeing a police car.

i know we are not sopposed to call people names. but you are an idiot.

His death was a direct resutl from doing something dumb such as getting ON TOP of a moving car.

As others have said. when a car swerves momentem will knock you off the car. a sudden stop will make you fall off the car.

I have went from 85+ to zero in seconds safely on my bike. I have swerved around cars when going 60+ safely. heck i have even laid it down going 80 and walked away (thank god for full gear)

No go get on the roof of a car and try any of that. you will NOT stay on. I gurentee that.

but i do agree at slow speeds on a emtpy road with a experianced driver you do cut the risk down. though i dont think even full rideing gear would save the guy.

sure, let me mount some handle bar grips, fasten a strap over my body and wear a helmet while "on top" of a car."

Oh wait, did you know that when you are riding in a convertible car you are technically "on top?" Same with a motorcycle. The difference between a motorcycle is that you have HANDLE BARS for a grip. Guess what you can do if you want to go car surfing "safely?" Mount handle bars. If you are trying to hold on by friction alone, then yes, that is pure stupidity.

Also, the accidents you got into with a motorcycle that you walked away from were because, AND I QUOTE, THANKS GOOD FOR FULL GEAR!!! So if you weren't wearing a helmet, a protective riding jacket, or other forms of protections and something WRONG happened on a motorcycle, what do you think will happen? Oh wait, I used to see that crap every day while working as an intern at a hospital. Major injury, paralisys, or even death. Sorry, motorcycles aren't nearly as safe as people that ride them all the time claim they are. Then again, most things in life aren't always safe. Look at the people in London last week and ask them how safe they feel Subways are now? I bet you a year ago they thougt they were the safest thing in the world to ride to work every day. Then one day, bombs and lotsa deaths and people change their minds radically.

Look, just because an activity is "illegal" doesn't make it inherently BAD or worse then legal activities. Anyone that uses THAT logic should be put up for the Darwin award after they finally off-themselves. You know it's illegal to buy Desert Wine after 7 pm in my state no matter what day it is? Does that make it worse then buying beer until 2 am? How about it's illegal to get 2 scoops of ice cream for a cone on Wednsday? HUH? That's really bad right? You do know those are illegal activities.

You know what's funny, many "legal" activities we do today were once considered "illegal" at one point until an agency of some sort came along at set "standards" and "controls" to turn an illegal activity into a legal one. So stop using that arguement here, it's as moronic as the kid that fell off the roof of the car.

You know, I used to mount my surf board to the roof of my car day in and day out and it never fell off no matter what kind of driving I did. So why can't a human be just as safely secured as my surfboard? Or how about people that mount luggage to the roofs of their cars? God people, use some common sense instead of saying, "car surfing = automatic stupidity."

The only thing this kid that was stupid was getting spooked by the cop. He should have just got the ticket and be alive.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Ok, lets start at the basics and go from there.

Please indulge me with this yes or no question.

Can "car surfing" at 5mph be considered relatively safe?

Ok, tired of waiting.

Hint: Answer is yes.

Next question. Can "car surfing" at some speeds and conditions be considered relatively safe?

Hint: If you answered "yes" to the first question you have no choice but to answer "yes" again.

Do we know what conditions or speed the "car surfer" in the article was at?

Hint: Answer is no.

Can we determine if the "car surfer" in the article was taking the necessary precautions to be "relatively safe"? (Remember, earlier in this test we should have established "car surfing" can be relatively safe in some conditions)

Hint: Answer is no.

Are there also "relatively safe" and "relatively unsafe" speeds and conditions in which people commonly ride a motorcycle?

Hint: Answer is yes.

Do people riding motorcycles sometimes die even in "relatively safe" conditions?

Hint: Answer is yes.

Final exam:

Can we award the Darwin award to someone who could have been behaving in a "relatively safe" manner?

...........

Congratulations, you've taken a bunch of completely unrelated ideas and done nothing with them. You can't draw a conclusion from things that have nothing to do with each other. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to prove in this post.

Just for fun I will answer your questions though:

Can "car surfing" at 5mph be considered relatively safe?
No

Can "car surfing" at some speeds and conditions be considered relatively safe?
No

Do we know what conditions or speed the "car surfer" in the article was at?
No

Can we determine if the "car surfer" in the article was taking the necessary precautions to be "relatively safe"? (Remember, earlier in this test we should have established "car surfing" can be relatively safe in some conditions)
Yes, he's dead. Clearly he was not taking the necessary precautions to be safe.

Are there also "relatively safe" and "relatively unsafe" speeds and conditions in which people commonly ride a motorcycle?
Yes, and this has absolutely nothing to do with your questions above.

Do people riding motorcycles sometimes die even in "relatively safe" conditions?
Yes, again...unrelated.

Final exam: Can we award the Darwin award to someone who could have been behaving in a "relatively safe" manner?
Sure...but what's your point again?

 

[Chelsey]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Let me spell it out for you:

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.
-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.
-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.
-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.
-Car surfing is illegal.

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

What he said.

aswedc, I'll be waiting for a news article regarding your demise via car surfing. I had thought that Anandtechers would have a bit more common sense...guess I was wrong :roll:

 

[aswedc]

JulesMaximus:

I will amend the first question:

Can "car surfing" at 5mph, on a luggage rack, strapped in like a piece of luggage be considered relatively safe?

Yes/No

Regarding your last post:

Do people riding motorcycles sometimes die even in "relatively safe" conditions?

You answered yes.

Yes, he's dead. Clearly he was not taking the necessary precautions to be safe.

You just said people could die even when behaving "relatively safely". Then you said since the person in question died he "clearly" could not have been "relatively safe"

Sucks to be trapped by logic doesn't it?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
The only thing this kid that was stupid was getting spooked by the cop. He should have just got the ticket and be alive.

I'm thinking he did something else a bit stupid...

 

[aswedc]

Since so many people quoted I'll reply

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.

Sometimes.

-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.

Sometimes.

-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.

Car racks are designed to carry luggage weighing more than a person at any speed

-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

I don't care if something is legal. I care if it makes sense.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.

Sometimes

-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.

OMG my kids aren't in control of the school bus? Someone call the police!

-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.

See above.

-Car surfing is illegal.

See above

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

As opposed to yours....

Hint: A statement that is "sometimes" true does not make a good point.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Let me spell it out for you:

-Motorcycle riders wear clothing and a helmet to protect themselves in an accident.
-They are in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-The vehicle was actually designed for people to ride on.
-Riding a motorcycle is legal and you must train to do it and possess a valid motorcycle license to ride one.

-Car surfers do not wear protective clothing designed to protect them in the event of a crash.
-Car surfers are not in control of the vehicle they are riding on.
-Car roofs are not designed for people to ride on.
-Car surfing is illegal.

You have made no valid points here whatsoever.

Neither have you, other than the "but you're not supposed to do that!" point. Unfortunetly, I have to get some work done soon. Please reply to post above yours.

Ok real simple, one last time.


**************

Motor vehicles --- Designed with safety features when operating correctly.

Car Rooftop --- Not designed to ride on, in motion, at any speed.

**************

For clarification, watching Lethal Weapon, does not make it safe before attempting a stunt like that. No matter how many times you pysche yourself up, by rewinding the scene...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: aswedc
JulesMaximus:

I will amend the first question:

Can "car surfing" at 5mph, on a luggage rack, strapped in like a piece of luggage be considered relatively safe?

Yes/No

Regarding your last post:

Do people riding motorcycles sometimes die even in "relatively safe" conditions?

You answered yes.

Yes, he's dead. Clearly he was not taking the necessary precautions to be safe.

You just said people could die even when behaving "relatively safely". Then you said since the person in question died he "clearly" could not have been "relatively safe"

Sucks to be trapped by logic doesn't it?

The two are completely unrelated though...:roll: Arguing with you is like arguing with a 2 year old. See my post above for my reasoning why they are unrelated.

Sure, everybody is at risk of dying every day but pulling a stunt like there is a far greater risk of serious injury or death and you have very little control doing something like car surfing. I don't think you can even remotely compare motorcycling to something as stupid as car surfing.

 

[bandana163]

It's good to see natural selection at work. :thumbsup: