Teen Dies After Fall While 'Car Surfing'

[CVSiN]

and you guys give us motorcyclists a hard time....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aswedc

"Police say Ben either lost his grip or let go as a marked police car appeared from the opposite direction. That's when Ben fell from the car, and his head hit the road. He died the following day at the hospital of respiratory failure caused by head trauma"


looks like to me they are not sure if he lost his grip or let go.

Either way he died because he wasn't paying enough attention after he saw the police car. Not because the activity was as ridiculously dangerous as ATOT wants to make it out to be. Not focusing on what you're doing can kill you in many, many situations.

Ok, go for it. Let's see some video you car surfing while the driver hits the brakes hard and swerves all over the place.

Hope your life insurance policy is paid up.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Several ways:

1) Animal/child darts into road causing driver to swerve. Surfer loses control.
2) Car pulls out in front of driver who then hits brakes hard. Surfer loses control.
3) Car hits bump or pothole, surfer loses control.
4) Bug hits surfer in the face, surfer loses control.
5) Cop sees surfer, pulls car over and arrests driver and surfer.


Want more?

1) Animal/child darts into road causing rider to swerve. Motorcycle loses control.
2) Car pulls out in front of rider who then hits brakes hard. Loses control.
3) Motorcycle hits bump or pothole, rider loses control.
4) Bug hits rider in the face, rider loses control.

5) Cop sees surfer, pulls car over and arrests driver and surfer.


You only got one. And it doesn't involve physical danger. Try again.

Are you seriously suggesting that you have as much control over whether your head hits the pavement when you are hanging on to the roof of a car as you do when you are driving a motercycle???

You are delusional.

 

[aswedc]

i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.

I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.

even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.

You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.

And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.

 

[edi sucks]

that sucks

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aswedc

i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.

I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.

even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.

You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.

And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.

There's the flaw in your "logic". There's no such thing as a smart car surfer.

:roll:

 

[Electric Amish]

Darwin - Eleventy-Billion

Human Race - 0

 

[aswedc]

1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.

Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.

2) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.

See #1

3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.

And the driver of the car can't do this?

4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.

And the "surfer" can't do this?

 

[pack1]

Originally posted by: tami
shame. it's truly sad how many teenagers think they will get away with such things. it's completely visible to anyone around them.

worse is when those kids think they can go "subway surfing" on top of the new york city subways. little do they know that when the subway hits a low clearance tunnel, they're gone for. the scarier part is that sometimes their bodies aren't found for a few days since it's still on the roof of the subway.

Really? Ive lived in NYC all my life and never heard of anything anything like that before. Whos actually that retarded?!

 

[aswedc]

ok so now he wasn't paying attention? but you said he let go. so what is it?

I'll make it nice and simple for you.

His death was a direct result of seeing a police car.

 

[aswedc]

There's the flaw in your "logic". There's no such thing as a smart car surfer.

Compared to this statement, which contains no logic at all...

 

[MaxDSP]

Originally posted by: aswedc

1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.

Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.

2) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.

See #1

3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.

And the driver of the car can't do this?

4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.

And the "surfer" can't do this?

Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: aswedc

i have ridden motorcycles for over 20 years.

I have had animals, children, cars, trucks and been hit with bugs in the face. NOT ONCE haved i lost control of the bike.

even when hitting the brakes hard i have kept control of the bike.

You scan the road and move to avoid pothole's. Bumps you can control how they effect you.

And? A smart car surfer would do it in a quiet road in good condition (neighborhood would work) at a suitable speed for stopping safely. They would avoid overly dangerous situations, just as a smart rider would.

There is no such thing as a smart car surfer. That my friend is an oxymoron.

 

[aswedc]

Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.

Why? This is fun!

Are you seriously suggesting that you have as much control over whether your head hits the pavement when you are hanging on to the roof of a car as you do when you are driving a motercycle???

When the car is going 30mph and the bike is going 85mph? Yup. No one is going to "car surf" at the same speed they drive. The article contained no indication of speed so we can't judge that factor.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Quit while you're behind, you have nothing.

Why? This is fun!

Are you seriously suggesting that you have as much control over whether your head hits the pavement when you are hanging on to the roof of a car as you do when you are driving a motercycle???

When the car is going 30mph and the bike is going 85mph? Yup. No one is going to "car surf" at the same speed they drive. The article contained no indication of speed so we can't judge that factor.

Try hanging on to your car roof through an emergency stop at 35 MPH. As somebody else suggested, make sure your insurance is paid up first.

Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.

 

[aswedc]

Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.

You mean 85mph? Can you people read?

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
sorry chief, but a 4.0 at western kentucky won't get you into MIT. they probly don't have an engineering or science department

wtf are you talking about?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.

You mean 85mph? Can you people read?

You can make emergency stops on a motorcycle at 85mph.

Your point is moot.

 

[HumblePie]

I can see the point aswedc is trying to make. You can take precautions and be as relatively safe car surfing as someone on a motorcycle or you can be just a dumb and put yourself at even greater risk. This kid did the greater risk thing.

Here's a better example.

Sky Diving and Base Jumping.

Both involve falling from high height with a parachute. One is a legal activity (jumping out an air plane) and one is not (jumping off a tall object relative to the ground). Sky diving is done from a much higher altitude as well.

Now why is one illegal and one is not? One is more "controllable" by safety regulations and one is not. AHAHA, motorcycle riding is "controllable" by safety regulations. Car surfing is not. Base jumping has gotten many people killed be morons don't know it's not always safe to jump from a building surrounded by power lines for examples. If they had jumped from where else where there was no chance of getting entangled or hampered by dangerous objets (like power lines or cars or something else) then it would be ONLY as dangerous as sky diving.

If this kid had:
1) worn a helmet,
2) attached a grip of some sort to the roof of the car for holding on,
3) and done this in a relatively deserted place where there would be no cops

He would still be alive.

Instead he was a moron plain and simple.

Now, I'm not advocating ca surfing or anything like that. Heck, I think riding 20 foot waves like I used to do in Hawaii was a hell of alot more dangerous then car surfing could ever be and yet I still wouldn't car surf. I guess me being older a changed my perspective on some things in life. yet, I'd still go regular surfing in a heart beat if I could (starting off with smaller waves and moving back up ofcourse).


There are many dangerous activities people do that are as dangerous or even more so then what this kid did. Many of those are SANCTIONED AND LEGAL. It comes down to having an agency around to "minimize" and "control" the activity that tends to make it legal versus illegal.

Look at street racing and racing on a track. Both involve cars moving at high speeds. One is in a "controlled" environment and one is not. Well technically you CAN control the street racing environment too if you find a road in the middle of no where and block off access to it from anyone except the racers. Bamm... controlled environment and now just as dangerous as racing on a track BUT it's still considered "illegal."

 

[GhettoPeanut]

Originally posted by: mi xiao
i blame teen wolf the movie.

lol, yeah, movies that like spread stoopid...stupitit...dumbness

 

[thegimp03]

and the darwin award goes to....

book smarts ! = to street smarts. quite literally in this case.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: aswedc

Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.

You mean 85mph? Can you people read?

You can make emergency stops on a motorcycle at 85mph.

Your point is moot.

I drove by a case where a motorcycle making an emergency stop wasn't ok.

Judging by the road, I'm faily certain his speed had been under 85mph.

Your point is moot as well.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Try hanging on to a motorcycle through an emergency stop at the same speed. People do it everyday. In fact I saw it this morning.

You mean 85mph? Can you people read?

I can read just fine. You began by suggesting that car surfing is no more dangerous then riding a motorcycle. My point is that, even at the same speeds, car surfing is far far more dangerous. If you want to bump it to 85MPH, fine. I'll take an emergency stop from 85 on a bike over 35 on top of a car any day.

 

[Gravity]

Natural Selection at work.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aswedc

1) Motorcycles are maneuverable. Rider maneuvers around obstacle. In the case of the surfer, a car swerving puts g-forces beyond the grip can maintain.

Only at an unsafe speed. Guess what? Motorcycles can be driven at unsafe speeds as well.

Oh, I see. Now we're putting a greater emphasis on illegal activity on a motorcycle. Nice way to adjust the argument to suit your whacked-out logic.

2) See #1. Plus, motorcycle rider should be wearing a helmet.

See #1

3) Not much chance...pretty damn rare. Rider sees bump/pothole and adjusts speed or maneuvers out of the way.

And the driver of the car can't do this?

Sure he can. But the g-forces on the surfer on the roof will most likely cause him to lose control and fly off of the car. THINK!

4) Again, not much chance. I've had a grasshopper hit me in the face and other smaller bugs and never lost control. Adding a faring would prevent that completely.

And the "surfer" can't do this?

Going to put a faring on the front of the roof of a car in order to go car surfing? Wow.