Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
Originally posted by: Deeko
ok, not to take your friend's death lightly, but because HE was irresponsible and couldn't take care of himself, no one is?
Because high schoolers are largely not mature enough to make wise decisions. That's why you're not legally independent until you're 18.
Well in some states it is 19 to be an adult but that is not really relevant here. Regardless of age limits people are going to drink, and it is their fault if they are not responsible. Sorry.
I have issue with that. Take in context of driving. We have laws because otherwise people are too-frequently NOT responsible when they're drinking. If we create laws to protect others against irresponsible drinkers, and create laws to protect minors from drinking irresponsibly, why shouldn't those laws be enforced?
Umm I don't recall saying to not enforce the law. If someone is drinking underage or guilty of public intox then the police need to take care of business. If you take the risk of drinking underage, then you take the risk or getting in trouble. Know this risk and be prepared to deal with it. It all comes down to responsibility and you cannot legislate it no matter how hard you try.
I take issue if someone lays the blame at the feet of anyone but the person.
Originally posted by: TheEvil1
Originally posted by: Hatari Chic
well ill be the ass and say natural selection at work. you friend shoudl have know how to drink responsably
Oh come on guys, none of you have ever passed out from drinking too much? I don't drink, but that seems like a pretty common occurance here in college, and high schoolers have less of a sense of self-awareness and responsibility, by and large. People who *know* how to drink responsibly don't always do it, especially teens.
i can say that. i have gotten sick before but i have NEVER blacked out or passed out before. and i used to drink alot
Alcohol impairs coordination, judgment, and reflexes. It's a factor in many traffic accidents involving youth, leading to more than 2200 deaths among 10 to 15-year-olds in 1998. College students who drink are more likely to get poorer grades than their non-drinking peers. Drinkers are also more likely to engage in risky behaviors (such as unprotected sex) or become the victim of a crime (such as assault, robbery, or rape).
Researchers also believe alcohol may have lasting effects on the brain itself. Investigators at the University of Pittsburgh took MRI scans from a small group of adolescents and young adults. One-third of the study participants were diagnosed with alcohol use disorders. The brain images showed students who had a drinking problem had significantly lower volumes in the hippocampus (the area of the brain involved in learning and memory).
Excessive alcohol consumption causes more than 100,000 deaths annually in the United States. 13
Alcohol-related car accidents are the number one cause of death for teenagers. 14
29.5% of teenagers who use alcohol and are of driving age report driving under the influence of alcohol within the previous month. This behavior is more prevalent among males (34.7%) than females (24.2%) and increases with age. Similarly, about one-third of teenagers ride in cars with drivers who have consumed alcohol. 15
Teenage alcohol consumption is also associated with homicides, suicides, and drownings-- the other three leading causes of death among teenagers. 16
Sexuality and drinking -- Researchers have associated drinking with early sexual activity and, as a result, with unintended teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. When teenagers mix sex with alcohol, those who average five or more drinks daily are nearly three times less likely to use condoms, thus placing them at greater risk for sexually transmitted diseases. 17 Alcohol use is also implicated in one- to two-thirds of sexual assault and acquaintance or "date" rape cases among teens and college students. A survey of high school students found that 18% of females and 39% of males say it is acceptable for a boy to force sex on a girl if she is stoned or drunk. 18
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Some I went to in highschool probably only had 12-15 people or so. Lots of booze, no making out on couches though :Q
Originally posted by: datalink7
Jugernot,
You still haven't said why it doesn't make you a jerk to call the cops on parties that aren't bothering you.
Originally posted by: Jugernot
*snip*
Make fun of me all you want...
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Have any of you ever actually been to a huge house party like they show on television? Tons of people, alcohol everywhere, people randomly dancing or making out everywhere, etc?
Excessive alcohol consumption causes more than 100,000 deaths annually in the United States. 13
Alcohol-related car accidents are the number one cause of death for teenagers. 14
29.5% of teenagers who use alcohol and are of driving age report driving under the influence of alcohol within the previous month. This behavior is more prevalent among males (34.7%) than females (24.2%) and increases with age. Similarly, about one-third of teenagers ride in cars with drivers who have consumed alcohol. 15
Teenage alcohol consumption is also associated with homicides, suicides, and drownings-- the other three leading causes of death among teenagers. 16
Sexuality and drinking -- Researchers have associated drinking with early sexual activity and, as a result, with unintended teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. When teenagers mix sex with alcohol, those who average five or more drinks daily are nearly three times less likely to use condoms, thus placing them at greater risk for sexually transmitted diseases. 17 Alcohol use is also implicated in one- to two-thirds of sexual assault and acquaintance or "date" rape cases among teens and college students. A survey of high school students found that 18% of females and 39% of males say it is acceptable for a boy to force sex on a girl if she is stoned or drunk. 18
Originally posted by: Jugernot
Make fun of me all you want...
Originally posted by: TheEvil1
this is how i justify smoking more then drinking
Originally posted by: Skoorb
BTW My best drinking times were when I was underage - and in Canada it's 19! BTW none of my friends ever were killed related to booze.
These stats really have to be looked at from different angles as well. Not only is millennium right and they are die hard alcoholics, but the sort of person who drinks that much by definition is irresponsible, so an irresponsible person is less likely to use a condom even if it's not related to the alcohol.Originally posted by: Millennium
"When teenagers mix sex with alcohol, those who average five or more drinks daily are nearly three times less likely to use condoms, thus placing them at greater risk for sexually transmitted diseases."
Well no Sh!t. Averages five drinks a day? We call them alcoholics around here. They have serious problems.
I know I remember fondly getting trashed on a school trip on 8+% Maudite beer. Oh the good old days!Originally posted by: bubbadu
Originally posted by: Skoorb
BTW My best drinking times were when I was underage - and in Canada it's 19! BTW none of my friends ever were killed related to booze.
its only 18 in Quebec!
-Bubbadu
Originally posted by: Millennium
The person using the products is responsible for their behavior good or bad. If you drink or smoke pot don't drive. If you do, go to jail. If you smoke pot or drink underage be prepared if you are caught. All most people here ask is for responsibility.
You've made his point for him. Kids at high school parties don't tend to be the most responsible drinkers. There are laws against them drinking because of that. If he is the reason they get caught, well don't blame him, it's their position to be responsible for their actions, and the law's responsibility to attempt to prevent them from killing themselves at an age where they are NOT fully responsible, legally.
Originally posted by: Jugernot
I don't have the patients or drive to nit pick with you guys... clearly I'm wrong, right? Alcohol effects are not bad... Now let's leave it at that... Jugernot is wrong.
The irony of his wish not to "nit pick" and then your statement rings a bell in my headOriginally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Jugernot
I don't have the patients or drive to nit pick with you guys... clearly I'm wrong, right? Alcohol effects are not bad... Now let's leave it at that... Jugernot is wrong.
patience you mean. Looks like you are wrong about another thing, too.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
The irony of his wish not to "nit pick" and then your statement rings a bell in my headOriginally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Jugernot
I don't have the patients or drive to nit pick with you guys... clearly I'm wrong, right? Alcohol effects are not bad... Now let's leave it at that... Jugernot is wrong.
patience you mean. Looks like you are wrong about another thing, too.