Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[ch33zw1z]

He broke into 6 different cars that night and attempted to break into 24 more. He was caught with far more stolen good than that.

Well then post those links dude! Like you, I want facts, backstory, anything at all to paint the picture.

 

[umbrella39]

"While the Davis case is getting national attention, largely because of the racial narrative of another older white man killing a black teenager in a public place, the debate hasn’t risen to the fever pitch of the Martin shooting aftermath. The main reason is that police have already charged Dunn with murder and attempted murder for his actions. And unlike the Martin case, there are several strong eyewitnesses to the shooting."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...or-loud-music-mirror-image-of-the-Martin-case

Starting to sound more and more like the only thug there that night was Dunn.

 

[Pens1566]

A violent person is not the only definition of a thug. He was charged and convicted on three counts of burglary, which is a forceful felony. That goes beyond just being charged and convicted of something like theft or shop lifting. Do you not understand the legal distinctions between all that? One doesn't have to commit a violent crime to commit burglary. Committing burglary is going beyond just petty theft. It moves one into the definition of being a thug.

But in the context of this situation, the violent aspect of "thug" is somewhat important. Without the threat (made up or not) of violence, this isn't even a news story as the shooter would be done for from the start. Theft /= violence

 

[HumblePie]

Well then post those links dude! Like you, I want facts, backstory, anything at all to paint the picture.

It's in the same link, the one you copied that I originally posted, and you never bothered to read.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's in the same link, the one you copied that I originally posted, and you never bothered to read.

I read the link I posted. I did not see your link. Is it that hard to repost? You could've just done that instead of being a dick.

 

[HumblePie]

I read the link I posted. I did not see your link. Is it that hard to repost? You could've just done that instead of being a dick.

How is directing you to the information you want being a dick?

 

[ch33zw1z]

How is directing you to the information you want being a dick?

"You never bothered to read" is how. Playing dumb, how nice. He tried to break into 30 cars, successfully into 6. I'm glad he got caught. As a past victim to car theft, fuck him.

How is posting the link difficult instead of being a dick? Do you feel better now?

 

[HumblePie]

"You never bothered to read" is how. Playing dumb, how nice. He tried to break into 30 cars, successfully into 6. I'm glad he got caught. As a past victim to car theft, fuck him.

How is posting the link difficult instead of being a dick? Do you feel better now?

Hrmm, I was a bit busy at the time and couldn't open the page to post a link. Saying you never bothered to read the article in the link is just an astute observation since if you had, you would have noticed the link as you did the second time.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hrmm, I was a bit busy at the time and couldn't open the page to post a link. Saying you never bothered to read the article in the link is just an astute observation since if you had, you would have noticed the link as you did the second time.

I read the original link and posted it here. No, I did not click the other link. So not all that astute of an assumption. Thanks for taking way more time and effort though...

Here's another thought, say this Stornes guy verbally threatened Dunn, and Jordan Davis was just caught in the crossfire. Could Stornes be charged with anything also? Manslaughter?

Dunn fired 7-9 shots from what I've read, hitting David 2-3 times. I wonder who he was even aiming at.

 

[SheHateMe]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...on-about-one-of-the-friends-with-Jordan-Davis

"In 2011, then 18, Stornes was arrested by Jacksonville police. He was charged with three counts of burglary. According to police, Stornes was seen loading up a speaker box and two subwoofers into a Dodge Durango."

Sounds like a hardened criminal.

He was just tryna get some bump in his trunk.

 

[HumblePie]

I read the original link and posted it here. No, I did not click the other link. So not all that astute of an assumption. Thanks for taking way more time and effort though...

Here's another thought, say this Stornes guy verbally threatened Dunn, and Jordan Davis was just caught in the crossfire. Could Stornes be charged with anything also? Manslaughter?

Dunn fired 7-9 shots from what I've read, hitting David 2-3 times. I wonder who he was even aiming at.

Unfortunately, if Tommie was the one doing the threatening they would all be guilty by association. That's why it's never a good idea to hang around known criminals.

 

[Capt Caveman]

But in the context of this situation, the violent aspect of "thug" is somewhat important. Without the threat (made up or not) of violence, this isn't even a news story as the shooter would be done for from the start. Theft /= violence

I think it would still be news worth due to someone being killed over loud music.

Note, George Zimmerman had several run-ins with the police before the Trayvon Martin encounter but he is not considered a thug.

 

[Pens1566]

I think it would still be news worth due to someone being killed over loud music.

Note, George Zimmerman had several run-ins with the police before the Trayvon Martin encounter but he is not considered a thug.

Possibly in the local area. But it gets nowhere near this level of media attention without the "stand your ground" mention.

 

[soundforbjt]

I think it would still be news worth due to someone being killed over loud music.

Note, George Zimmerman had several run-ins with the police before the Trayvon Martin encounter but he is not considered a thug.

That's because Zimmerman's problems were a long time ago ...and therefore don't count. He had a felony arrest as well.

 

[TerryMathews]

That's because Zimmerman's problems were a long time ago ...and therefore don't count. He had a felony arrest as well.

You've really got a thing for Mexicans, don't you?

 

[soundforbjt]

You've really got a thing for Mexicans, don't you?

nope...just vigilantes

besides, isn't GZ Peruvian?

 

[CVSiN]

So are the other teens who were in the same SUV as the dead kid, and it doesn't seem like they are supporting the shooters account.

But of course they are obviously lying, because they are "brothas" sticking together, am I right?

Of course they wouldn't tell the truth..

are you really this oblivious to human nature?

Why would ANYONE incriminate themselves... they are going to say whatever it takes to get off and stay out of jail.


And the same goes for the shooter..

We need secondary non participant witnesses or film with audio to know who is telling the truth.
or lie detector tests one or the other..

 

[Geosurface]

From the article about Tommie:

"there were several passengers in the vehicle."

Several?

I know that can just mean the 3 passengers and 1 driver but I do wonder if there was a 5th occupant...

I'm just musing... was everyone who had been in that truck still in that truck when police arrived? Or was there a 5th party who did have a gun and was driven a couple blocks away, let out so he could run off into the night, and then they drove back?

I can easily imagine the frantic discussion in that truck after Davis was hit and Dunn drove off:

"Fuck man! The cops are going to be here and I've got a warrant and a gun on me... fuck this! I can't go back to jail." "Okay get out and leave!" "Fuck that! they've got security cameras and there's a bunch of people around. Just drive me a couple of blocks and I'll get out."

Who knows? Just musing, just speculating. I still view what Dunn did very poorly but... I don't think it's as cut and dry as a lot of people here are acting like.

I'm not surprised to hear these rumors that the truck drove off and came back. I hope there will be some sort of surveillance video to tell us SOMETHING regarding that.

I'm not surprised to hear there was a felon in that car. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn there was more than one in the coming days.

Do I automatically expect there are some criminals in a car full of rap blasting, window-tinting black male teens? Fuck yes I do. Is that racist? Whatever you want to call it... I call it accepting the implications of statistical probabilities. Something which even the most die hard liberal egalitarian does when it comes time to pick a school for their kid, a neighborhood to live in, a gas station to stop at at night, or a route to drive through a large city. I'm consistent, not a two-face like them.

They're only all "I'm blind to race!" when it has no personal cost. When all it requires from them is some casually tossed insults at others on a message board, for which they are showered with approving brownie-points from their like-minded folk. When it counts, as in the situations I described... they almost always sing a different tune and for good reason.

So yes, right from the outset when I heard rap-blasting, tinted windows, truck full of black male teens (likely occupants based on Jordan and the music, etc) I absolutely had a much higher expectation of some or all of them having a record, all of them being more likely to lie about what happened, more likely to stash a gun to avoid trouble, etc etc etc. Sue me.

And if you think that this guy:

Handled having some 40 year old white dude who was alone tell them to turn down their music (perhaps in a rude way too) while he was with 3 of his friends, in a calm and civil fashion, you're living in a fucking dream world.

I remain highly skeptical of what Dunn describes, but I'm getting less so.

I think the EXPECTED behavior of car occupants like these is to fly off the handle, flip out, and make threats. My chief point of skepticism remains on whether Dunn really saw or thought he saw a gun. Perhaps in time, more evidence about that will come out. Perhaps not.

 

[CVSiN]

BTW there are many areas of Jax that are not exactly friendly to White guys..

I was there for 10 years while in the Navy they flat told us to be careful in many of the areas around town.

 

[Geosurface]

Btw I hereby make the prediction right now that no matter what evidence comes forth, Dunn will end up being sacrificed on the altar of black appeasement, riot avoidance, and political correctness.

Perhaps he'll deserve it, perhaps he won't. But I feel that is his fate regardless. I hope it is not George Zimmerman's.

I think it would require a miraculous level of evidence, a video showing exactly what he describes and/or a witness backing him up completely. If what he claims is true, I think he's boned because I doubt any witness was watching the two cars that attentively from the right angle prior to gunfire which, let's be honest, is what drew most of the witnesses' eyes to the cars. So, it was pretty much done when most of them even looked, I'd wager.

And I think cops already said no video really exists to help clarify this.

And he really, really fucked himself even more by not calling cops.

So yea, I think Dunn is done.

He should've tolerated the loud rap for a couple minutes. He'll spend the rest of his life wishing he had.

 

[SheHateMe]

From the article about Tommie:

"there were several passengers in the vehicle."

Several?

I know that can just mean the 3 passengers and 1 driver but I do wonder if there was a 5th occupant...

I'm just musing... was everyone who had been in that truck still in that truck when police arrived? Or was there a 5th party who did have a gun and was driven a couple blocks away, let out so he could run off into the night, and then they drove back?

I can easily imagine the frantic discussion in that truck after Davis was hit and Dunn drove off:

"Fuck man! The cops are going to be here and I've got a warrant and a gun on me... fuck this! I can't go back to jail." "Okay get out and leave!" "Fuck that! they've got security cameras and there's a bunch of people around. Just drive me a couple of blocks and I'll get out."

Who knows? Just musing, just speculating. I still view what Dunn did very poorly but... I don't think it's as cut and dry as a lot of people here are acting like.

I'm not surprised to hear these rumors that the truck drove off and came back. I hope there will be some sort of surveillance video to tell us SOMETHING regarding that.

I'm not surprised to hear there was a felon in that car. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn there was more than one in the coming days.

Do I automatically expect there are some criminals in a car full of rap blasting, window-tinting black male teens? Fuck yes I do. Is that racist? Whatever you want to call it... I call it accepting the implications of statistical probabilities. Something which even the most die hard liberal egalitarian does when it comes time to pick a school for their kid, a neighborhood to live in, a gas station to stop at at night, or a route to drive through a large city. I'm consistent, not a two-face like them.

You could have just made a tldr version of your rant that simply stated "Now that I know one of them has a criminal record..it is more plausible in my mind that they dumped the gun after the shooting"

The end.

Its nice to hear that you apply racial bias in your judgement that that you immediately stereotype based off of statistics. You tried to plead your case to me a long time ago..now, Im convinced you have multiple personalities and you were just bullshitting me before.

We go from "They dumped the gun" to "They dumped the gun because they're thugs to "They dumped the gun because they are thugs and one of them has a warrant".

What fucking warrant? Jesus Christ.

Zimmerman has a shady past with the cops but no trouble since = no foul
Tommie steals some speakers in 2011 and is obviously complying with the terms of his probation + its nearly 2 years in the past= hes a thug

I love how your kind thinks.

 

[umbrella39]

Btw I hereby make the prediction right now that no matter what evidence comes forth, Dunn will end up being sacrificed on the altar of black appeasement, riot avoidance, and political correctness.

Translation: No matter what the truth really is I have made up my mind the white man regardless of possible culpability will be railroaded...

 

[Geosurface]

Translation: No matter what the truth really is I have made up my mind the white man regardless of possible culpability will be railroaded...

Incorrect.

I know you don't do nuance, but I want you to try.

Read my lips:

In my view, Dunn first off shouldn't have asked them to turn down the music. Just wait another minute for your gf to come out, deal with it, and go the fuck home.

Failing that, if he had to ask he should've done it in a polite way, and I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn he'd asked like a real douche and antagonized them.

Failing THAT if he thought they were coming for him and had a gun, he should've backed his car up and driven off, not opened a glove compartment box, loaded a gun (and I don't care how good you are this takes some time that would be better spent backing your car up) and unloaded at this car. I frankly think the only way he really needed to do that, is if an actual gun blast had come from their car at him. Then again, I wasn't there and I don't know what they were doing or threatening to do.

Worst of all is the fact that he didn't call cops. He had lots and lots of time to do it too.

I'm not defending Dunn. I'm defending the notion of innocent until proven guilty, and the idea of keeping an open mind.

George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn may be two of the biggest pieces of shit to ever walk the earth. That doesn't mean we know exactly what went down or that Trayvon, Jordan, and his 3 friends weren't pieces of shit too.

 

[QueBert]

Agreed.

But the fact that there IS a convicted felon in the car leads some credibility to the story as we know it to Dunn's claim of being threatened. The other 3 kids in the car could have been model citizens and done absolutely nothing wrong. But it only takes 1 bad apple in that bunch to have screwed them all by association.

Not that you will think I'm right, but seeing how he was probation that means he did not get convicted of a felony. Hence wasn't a felon. A misdemeanor doesn't = a felony, sorry. And a thug doesn't mean what you claim either, sorry again.

 

[SheHateMe]

Translation: No matter what the truth really is I have made up my mind the white man regardless of possible culpability will be railroaded...

Basically, everything else that he typed is pretty much pointless.

It is not okay for us to be the trial and jury and convict Dunn on the forums..but it is TOTALLY OKAY for Spidey, Geo, Spatial and a few others to judge what type of person Jordan was and what type of people his friends were based off of statistics and their own racial bias.

We know Tommie has a record..but so did Zimmerman...whats the difference? In this story, one of the guys in the car being a criminal means the shooter was absolutely correct wheras in the Zimmerman story..it did not matter, because lil Trey Trey wore a hoodie and had pictures on his facebook of him rocking gold teeth...but guess what? Zimmerman had a whole fucking Myspace page dedicated to being a thug..but no..we heard NOTHING about that.