Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[Pens1566]

Messageboard full of middle aged, white, chubby, socially awkward IT guys gets out the pitchforks to lynch a middle aged, white, chubby, socially awkward IT guy and show him zero sympathy or understanding... because it is just TOTALLY unbelievable that a truck load of black teenagers blasting rap music at ear shattering volumes might have threatened his life when asked to turn it down. Classic.

2 out 4 ain't bad. Better than your usual batting average.

 

[Geosurface]

And after shooting at the SUV taking off, he didn't just ask someone at the gas station to call 911 and stay, wait for police. He feared for his life and took off. He feared for his life at the hotel but left his gun in the car, ordered pizza and didn't call 911. That's how an innocent person reacts. Classic.

When this all happened it was at the height of the lynching of Zimmerman in his very state. Think he was excited about the prospect of going to talk to the police about shooting a young black man? There were protesters, Zimmerman had been charged, the national media was making Zimmerman out to be Satan himself.

That plus just being in an incredible state of panic and shock and dealing with a terrified, hysterical woman. I wouldn't blame a person for being tempted to think they might not have to deal with all that, if he knew what he'd done was justified anyway, why should he subject himself to a process which might wrongly disagree?

 

[fskimospy]

When this all happened it was at the height of the lynching of Zimmerman in his very state. Think he was excited about the prospect of going to talk to the police about shooting a young black man? There were protesters, Zimmerman had been charged, the national media was making Zimmerman out to be Satan himself.

That plus just being in an incredible state of panic and shock and dealing with a terrified, hysterical woman. I wouldn't blame a person for being tempted to think they might not have to deal with all that, if he knew what he'd done was justified anyway, why should he subject himself to a process which might wrongly disagree?

You're engaging in some pretty desperate mental gymnastics here, just like I predicted would eventually happen.

Just like with the Zimmerman case you've become emotionally invested in the outcome instead of just looking at the case itself. Considering your past postings here on the issue of race, this is pretty telling.

 

[WackyDan]

Remember, people are believing someone who fired multiple times at group of people, then ran home and didn't call the police because he was too scared. Then he had dinner because he was so scared. Then left his gun in the car because he was so scared.
Yet people believe him.

These are two separate things. While I agree it impacts his credibility, the jury has to focus first on the core incident.

While he may be charged for fleeing the scene, or for even being intoxicated (reason for fleeing), that does not mean that he wasn't indeed justified in using deadly force.

I can't wait for the outrage of liberal america and the black community when he gets off on self defense and only gets his permit pulled and placed on some sort of probation for fleeing the scene.

 

[Catriona]

Messageboard full of middle aged, white, chubby, socially awkward IT guys gets out the pitchforks to lynch a middle aged, white, chubby, socially awkward IT guy and show him zero sympathy or understanding... because it is just TOTALLY unbelievable that a truck load of black teenagers blasting rap music at ear shattering volumes might have threatened his life when asked to turn it down. Classic.

I'm not middle aged, chubby, socially awkward or an IT guy, or a guy for that matter, but I have no sympathy for someone who fired 9 rounds into a car of teenagers and then fled the scene. I would have some sympathy for Dunn if he had manned up and acted like a responsible citizen.

 

[WackyDan]

I love some of the mental gymnastics a certain few people in here are doing to make it ok a white man gunned down an unarmed young black male who posed no threat to him.

The problem with your statement is the words "white" and "Black" as well "unarmed". Projecting that this was race related on the part of Dunn, and that the kid was unarmed when two of the kids supposedly left the scene as well?

 

[Catriona]

why should he subject himself to a process which might wrongly disagree?

Because that's what grownups do. Take responsibility for their actions, even when the consequences are unpleasant.

Or do you not believe in taking responsibility for your actions?

 

[Jaskalas]

After reading a few pages, this is quite a difficult case.

Instinctively I don't want anyone shooting the unarmed, who have yet to pose a threat. The proof of the threat is dubious at best, yet perfectly reasonable to assume some young males would mouth off to a stranger. Why wouldn't they?

So on one hand I don't like the case on its face, but OTOH I have to wonder what the law says. What rights to people have to preemptively act in their own defense if threats and aggressive moves are made? May we assume the other person is armed... and move to shoot first, without evidence of a weapon?

Not easy to enter this thread and immediately judge it. I hope the jurors have a clearer answer and I will likely default to their judgement on the matter, having no clear decision of my own.

When can we expect a verdict?

 

[Geosurface]

I can't wait for the outrage of liberal america and the black community when he gets off on self defense and only gets his permit pulled and placed on some sort of probation for fleeing the scene.

I hope so... because I truly think he was justified in what he did, and that Jordan Davis made threats and was in the process of acting on them. That door was open. The dowels prove that door was open. His friend admits he did operate the door handle.

And a 47 year old law abiding man DOESN'T FUCKING FILL A CAR FULL OF STRANGERS WITH BULLETS BECAUSE THEY CURSED AT HIM!

That's a fucking stupid idea which people only trot out because they are DESPERATE to avoid just facing the fact that yes, once again, there was a young black man who was an impulsive, violent thug. Same with Trayvon. They are desperate to be good little liberals and always, automatically side with the black party no matter what.

They feel that they score progressive smiley points every time they bash a white male, and hooo boy, he's a gun owner too? Extra points!

Unfortunately, I think he's going to get convicted. Hung jury at best.

 

[spidey07]

The problem with your statement is the words "white" and "Black" as well "unarmed". Projecting that this was race related on the part of Dunn, and that the kid was unarmed when two of the kids supposedly left the scene as well?

The "kids" had to do their testimony in chains.

 

[Meghan54]

Medical examiner is not a "ballistic" expert and is taking a guess as to how the shot was done. It looks to me as if Davis was leaning out with his foot forward while he was standing up in his seat a bit to get out. Since the bullet hole came in high on the door frame just below the window and Dunn was shooting UP, then that would be the only explanation that makes sense. Not that Davis was sitting down in his seat. Otherwise the bullet would hit him in the neck.

Ummm.....no, the ME isn't guessing as to how the bullet entered and tracked. During an autopsy, a bullet's track is easily seen, but most people don't want to see the grisly pics that'd show it. But the X-ray shows the entry and final resting point of the bullet, which demonstrates the bullet's track through the body almost as well as showing autopsy pics.

And if the bullet struck no bone through it's travel in the body, again easily noted during the autopsy, then the only plausible explanation is that the body had to be leaning a certain way to get that bullet track. It certainly couldn't have happened with the victim standing unless the bullet struck bone, like the hip or ileac crest of the hip, and then ricocheted upward, which didn't happen.

The defense had every right to bring in their own experts to discount/disqualify the ME's testimony, yet they didn't. You don't find that odd? And why didn't the defense do that? Maybe because there's no defense against facts?

 

[Catriona]

I hope so... because I truly think he was justified in what he did, and that Jordan Davis made threats and was in the process of acting on them. That door was open. The dowels prove that door was open. His friend admits he did operate the door handle.

And a 47 year old law abiding man DOESN'T FUCKING FILL A CAR FULL OF STRANGERS WITH BULLETS BECAUSE THEY CURSED AT HIM!

That's a fucking stupid idea which people only trot out because they are DESPERATE to avoid just facing the fact that yes, once again, there was a young black man who was an impulsive, violent thug. Same with Trayvon. They are desperate to be good little liberals and always, automatically side with the black party no matter what.

They feel that they score progressive smiley points every time they bash a white male, and hooo boy, he's a gun owner too? Extra points!

Unfortunately, I think he's going to get convicted. Hung jury at best.

You seem to be very emotionally vested in this case, Geo. (Language, language)

Why is that?

 

[Geosurface]

You seem to be very emotionally vested in this case, Geo. (Language, language)

Why is that?

Because the guy is fucking innocent and is being victimized by idiotic liberalism that has seeped into our society even so far as into our legal system, and because he's probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison anyway.

That's worth getting pissed about.

 

[fskimospy]

One nice thing is that if someone this obviously guilty somehow gets off this will probably provide enough outrage to start rolling back some of these laws. It wouldn't excuse letting a murderer go free, but it would make the next one easier to put away.

 

[They Live]

Because the guy is fucking innocent and is being victimized by idiotic liberalism that has seeped into our society even so far as into our legal system, and because he's probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison anyway.

That's worth getting pissed about.

Translation: I desperately want the guy to be innocent due to certain biases, so I'm already making excuses if he's found guilty.

If he's found guilty, he will just be another white victim in "Obama's America" am I right?

 

[CitizenKain]

When this all happened it was at the height of the lynching of Zimmerman in his very state. Think he was excited about the prospect of going to talk to the police about shooting a young black man? There were protesters, Zimmerman had been charged, the national media was making Zimmerman out to be Satan himself.

That plus just being in an incredible state of panic and shock and dealing with a terrified, hysterical woman. I wouldn't blame a person for being tempted to think they might not have to deal with all that, if he knew what he'd done was justified anyway, why should he subject himself to a process which might wrongly disagree?

What a fucking load of shit. He was in such a state of shock that he drove for a long time, had dinner, had some drinks and then slept for the night. Not once did he call the police.

He shot people, then ran for it hoping that nothing would happen. Also "idiotic liberalism" is apparently being unable to kill black people at will, the America that geosurface yearns to return too.

 

[Catriona]

Because the guy is fucking innocent and is being victimized by idiotic liberalism that has seeped into our society even so far as into our legal system, and because he's probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison anyway.

That's worth getting pissed about.

Dunn may be not guilty by reason of self-defense, but he is not innocent. He acted recklessly at the very least, and declined to take responsibility for his actions until he was tracked down by LE. I'm a gun owner with a CCP, and he acted irresponsibly. Idiotic liberalism has nothing to do it. He ran and hid. That speaks volumes about his character, if not about his guilt.

ETA: You would do well to find a better champion for your cause.

 

[Geosurface]

What a fucking load of shit. He was in such a state of shock that he drove for a long time, had dinner, had some drinks and then slept for the night. Not once did he call the police.

He didn't get to sleep til 5am, and when he checked the news on his phone and found out someone had died, he rushed into the bathroom and threw up, and stayed at the toilet til 5am - when he got 2 hours of what I'm sure was GREAT sleep :\

He ordered the pizza for his fiancee, and had none himself.

Your hatred for him is burning red hot, isn't it?

 

[CitizenKain]

He didn't get to sleep til 5am, and when he checked the news on his phone and found out someone had died, he rushed into the bathroom and threw up, and stayed at the toilet til 5am - when he got 2 hours of what I'm sure was GREAT sleep :\

He ordered the pizza for his fiancee, and had none himself.

Your hatred for him is burning red hot, isn't it?

Sure he didn't.

 

[Catriona]

Something I've been curious about, that I haven't seen discussed. Where did Dunn get the rum for the rum and sodas he mixed at the B&B? There was no mention of a liquor store run. Did he have the bottle in the car?

 

[Daverino]

Yeaa...... looks like Jordan had that door open.

Too bad the parents of Davis already settled with Dunn in civil court before this trial even started, and he couldn't afford a decent attorney who got an expert to point this out. Dunn had to point this out himself on the stand.

For any of this to be true none of Dunn's testimony about the shooting could also be true. If the vehicle was as close to Dunn as he testified then that would mean Dunn was not firing with two hands across his body. Instead he'd have to fire over his left shoulder. Dunn also testified that he saw both passengers in the rear seat and that both sides of the SUV had their windows down in the rear. Were Dunn to fire from where you suppose, he would be unable to see the second passenger in the SUV, much less completely through it. Dunn states at one point that his window is even with the front door but then later testifies that he has an unobstructed view all the way through the rear of the SUV. Dunn also testified that the vehicles were so close together that he was unable to exit his own vehicle because he could not open his own door. In your fantasy gif, you open the SUV's door much further than would be possible if Dunn was telling the truth.

So either your gif is correct and Dunn lied on the stand, or the door was closed throughout and Dunn lied on the stand. Which version of Dunn lying do you prefer?

 

[Retro Rob]

When this all happened it was at the height of the lynching of Zimmerman in his very state. Think he was excited about the prospect of going to talk to the police about shooting a young black man? There were protesters, Zimmerman had been charged, the national media was making Zimmerman out to be Satan himself.

Wow, that's a lot to be thinking about right after murdering a teenager.

 

[Thebobo]

I thought Zimmerman was innocent

I think Dun is Guilty

 

[They Live]

I thought Zimmerman was innocent

I think Dun is Guilty

White Guilt

 

[WackyDan]

Translation: I desperately want the guy to be innocent due to certain biases, so I'm already making excuses if he's found guilty.

If he's found guilty, he will just be another white victim in "Obama's America" am I right?

Yet you already assume and want him guilty? Why? Because he is white and the four other persons were both "kids" and "black". Perfect narrative for the race baiters and apologists.