Teen's Breast Removed After Pierce Infection

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Amused

Well stated my ass. It's so full of ignorance it's not even funny.

Go to ANY breast cancer survivor forum online to read about the rejection, heartbreak and isolation mastectomy victims live with.

This girl's love life is ruined. She will never have the choice in men she would have had before she was horribly mutilated in the ONE area her body outwardly expresses it's sexuality.

And I can guarantee neither of you would date a woman who's chest has been gouged out and left horribly scared.

Gee, how many porn stars are mastectomy victims?

Those facing rejection and heartbreak sound like they are interacting with the wrong men. There are men who will not reject women based on deformities. Such as men who have deformities themselves. Suppose a man's chest is incredibally scared, or if he is missing an arm, or if he has a disease that causes him to lose muscle. Does that make him any less of a man? no. Your sexual identity is something you are born with and that cant be taken away from you.

Love life ruined? Again, like I said before, she is dating the wrong man, if a missing breast is causing an interference in the relationship.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Amused


Like I said, go to any breast cancer forum. A mastectomy is the single most devastating mutilation a woman can face.

And you can pull all the the anecdotal evidence you want out of your ass, it doesn't change the fact that woman who go through this are routinely rejected and their love lives ruined.

what if her vagina got mutilated? Then she would no longer be able to experience sexual pleasure or have intercourse. That would be worse than losing a breast. At least a missing breast doesnt stop her from having sex.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Amused

Well stated my ass. It's so full of ignorance it's not even funny.

Go to ANY breast cancer survivor forum online to read about the rejection, heartbreak and isolation mastectomy victims live with.

This girl's love life is ruined. She will never have the choice in men she would have had before she was horribly mutilated in the ONE area her body outwardly expresses it's sexuality.

And I can guarantee neither of you would date a woman who's chest has been gouged out and left horribly scared.

Gee, how many porn stars are mastectomy victims?

Those facing rejection and heartbreak sound like they are interacting with the wrong men. There are men who will not reject women based on deformities. Such as men who have deformities themselves. Suppose a man's chest is incredibally scared, or if he is missing an arm, or if he has a disease that causes him to lose muscle. Does that make him any less of a man? no. Your sexual identity is something you are born with and that cant be taken away from you.

Love life ruined? Again, like I said before, she is dating the wrong man, if a missing breast is causing an interference in the relationship.

Tell me, how many horribly disfigured woman have you dated? Married? Masturbated to?

Do the pictures on Google image search of mastectomy victims make you horny?

You can idealize all day long. But your fantasies have nothing to do with reality.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Women are a lot more likely to stand by a man who's disfigured/disabled by illness/accident or becomes addicted to drugs,etoh or gambling . Mren aren't as tolerant of such short comings in their women. A lot of female cancer patients end up getting their divorce papers along with the oncologist's bill.

I'd bet my next paycheck that if it was Lucy who was disfigured you wouldn't have had such a pretty story to tell as kevin woulda hit the road pretty quick.

bullcrap! men and women are both critical of each other equally. Women are more likely to turn men down based on other reasons such as: if he doesnt have as many friends, or if he's creepy, or if he's short, or if his penis is small, or if he doesnt make much money, or if he isnt confident or humorous enough. And yes women are critical of a man's habits and their appearances and disfigurement.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Meh. Why does everyone feel so sorry for her? I understand she will be scarred for the rest of her life and all of that, but it was her body, it was her decision, and she should have known the risks before going to the procedure. She still did it, it was her choice and she has to live with the consequences with no one to blame but herself. All this talk about lawsuits is ridiculous, how about owing up to your own mistakes? A dumb teen gets pierced as soon as she hits 18 and everybody says how much of a tragedy it is that she lost part of her body? I think it's more tragic that she was dumb enough to get it pierced in the first place. Hopefully that'll teach her to make stupid decisions in the future.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Amused

Tell me, how many horribly disfigured woman have you dated? Married? Masturbated to?

Do the pictures on Google image search of mastectomy victims make you horny?

You can idealize all day long. But your fantasies have nothing to do with reality.

Why does it matter if I wont date them? Some other man will.
Sure, its likely that the man the woman dates may also have some disfigurement as well, but she can still date people.

Horniness is a state of mind, which is based on more than just someone's physical appearances. attraction is based on many things, some things which arent exterior believe it or not.

People can learn to refocus their romantic relationships on things other than physical appearances, and those with a disfigurement may want to consider learning this more than others (based on the lesser amount of options with men they'll have).

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy
You have no idea what it's like to almost lose your daughter and then to make the decision to have one of her breasts removed," she said. "Some people say 'It's just a breast.' They aren't an 18-year old girl. It's devastating for her and for the family."

yes a 18 yr old girl loseing a boob is bad. but it is not devastating for her and the family. what would be devastating is for her to have died from this. loseing a boob is not as major when you look at what could have happened.

You don't think losing a boob is devastating for any woman, much less an 18 year old girl?

Tell me, would you be devastated if you lost your penis?

Yeah, but comparing one of a girls breasts to a penis is a whole different story. For one thing, a penis is necssary for having children, a breast is not, although it is cheaper.
The correct comparison would be this:
"Tell me, would be devastated if you lost your right testicle?"
And yes I would be, but thats what my left nut is for.

its a little different though since a man's testicals only are seen when he is naked. if a woman is missing a breast, thats a little harder to cover up. (yeah, theres padding, but thats a little difficult to do if wearing like a swimsuit or something)

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Meh. Why does everyone feel so sorry for her? I understand she will be scarred for the rest of her life and all of that, but it was her body, it was her decision, and she should have known the risks before going to the procedure. She still did it, it was her choice and she has to live with the consequences with no one to blame but herself. All this talk about lawsuits is ridiculous, how about owing up to your own mistakes? A dumb teen gets pierced as soon as she hits 18 and everybody says how much of a tragedy it is that she lost part of her body? I think it's more tragic that she was dumb enough to get it pierced in the first place. Hopefully that'll teach her to make stupid decisions in the future.

it depends on how much knowledge she had about her condition. because getting a piercing is pretty common for teenage girls, I will say that this is a tragedy. Its not like she was trying to inject drugs from used needles or nothing.
So we should probably give this girl a little credit. But I agree, being educated about your illnesses/conditions is VERY important!

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
I feel sorry for her, but if I had a systemic condition like diabetes that compromises your immune system there's no way in hell I'd let anybody near me with needles who isn't a trained medical professional.

That's the weird thing tho. She likely has type one diabetes, the same as what I have, which is also called juvenile diabetes. The current belief is that type 1 is caused by heredity, whereas type 2 is caused by abuse of the liver (alcohol, sugar, inactivity, etc).

I know that complications will develop starting with your feet (and sometimes your eyes) if you do not keep good control over your blood sugar - the smaller veins in your extremities are the first to go, effectively gouged out by a high Hemoglobin A1C. First they cut off your toes, then your foot, then your leg, etc.

She must have kept terrible control over her diabetes for it to have even contributed to this. Your immune system is not compromised due to the sole fact of having diabetes, however, if you don't control it complications will develop.

In any case - good luck to her in her future life.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Women are a lot more likely to stand by a man who's disfigured/disabled by illness/accident or becomes addicted to drugs,etoh or gambling . Mren aren't as tolerant of such short comings in their women. A lot of female cancer patients end up getting their divorce papers along with the oncologist's bill.

I'd bet my next paycheck that if it was Lucy who was disfigured you wouldn't have had such a pretty story to tell as kevin woulda hit the road pretty quick.

bullcrap! men and women are both critical of each other equally. Women are more likely to turn men down based on other reasons such as: if he doesnt have as many friends, or if he's creepy, or if he's short, or if his penis is small, or if he doesnt make much money, or if he isnt confident or humorous enough. And yes women are critical of a man's habits and their appearances and disfigurement.

if I were missing a breast there'd be no chance for rejection because quite frankly I'd never expose my body to any man ever again.

As to the rest I worked for over 15 yrs in human services a woman was far more likely to stand behind an ill man, no matter what his problem was, men were much more likely to dump a sick wife.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: KrillBee
it depends on how much knowledge she had about her condition. because getting a piercing is pretty common for teenage girls, I will say that this is a tragedy. Its not like she was trying to inject drugs from used needles or nothing.
So we should probably give this girl a little credit. But I agree, being educated about your illnesses/conditions is VERY important!

If something is common it doesn't mean it's not stupid. There is always some risk involved in piercing (even if very minor and even if she didn't have diabetes). Don't you see a pattern here, a 18 year old girl gets pierced as soon as she hits legal, to me it's practically screaming dumb teen, dumb teen... While I agree her physical condition is very severe due to all skin loss (if it was simple mastectomy I'm sure good implant would have looked like the real thing, especially with all the women with fake boobs). However, I find it very hard to feel sorry for people who consciously do dumb things. Kind of like watching teens doing skateboard tricks, they know they are gonna get hurt without any protection and they still do it.

 

[TwinkleToes77]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
why do people wait so long to go to the doctor? I mean yeah if i have a mild upper resp. infection for a few days i wont go to the hospital. But if i have itchy red streaked skin around my new peircing and am starting to get a fever, hey maybe i should hit the hospital.

If it was anything like the infection I got.. which was a necrotic attack on my breast as well, it acts insanely fast. As soon as I noticed the little bruising i went straight to the dr... i was instantly put on IV antibiotics for 10 days and had to have emergency surgery.. I also lost a breast.. well most of it. I will have to have reconstructive surgery to fix it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Amused

Tell me, how many horribly disfigured woman have you dated? Married? Masturbated to?

Do the pictures on Google image search of mastectomy victims make you horny?

You can idealize all day long. But your fantasies have nothing to do with reality.

Why does it matter if I wont date them? Some other man will.
Sure, its likely that the man the woman dates may also have some disfigurement as well, but she can still date people.

Horniness is a state of mind, which is based on more than just someone's physical appearances. attraction is based on many things, some things which arent exterior believe it or not.

People can learn to refocus their romantic relationships on things other than physical appearances, and those with a disfigurement may want to consider learning this more than others (based on the lesser amount of options with men they'll have).

Your contradictions are hilarious.

Look, her love life is screwed. She's never going to get the quality (not just looks, either) of lover she once could. Instead of idealizing, why not just admit that fact and move on?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
that is very sad, and scary to have that happen from a simple piercing. i wonder if it started when she got it pierced? was it due to the shops neglagence

my theory is that she was susceptible and her immune system was low enough that the staph on her skin infected the piercing, got inflamed, and became necrotic. she probably kept trying to clean it until it was too late, thinking it was just a little infected.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy
You have no idea what it's like to almost lose your daughter and then to make the decision to have one of her breasts removed," she said. "Some people say 'It's just a breast.' They aren't an 18-year old girl. It's devastating for her and for the family."

yes a 18 yr old girl loseing a boob is bad. but it is not devastating for her and the family. what would be devastating is for her to have died from this. loseing a boob is not as major when you look at what could have happened.

You don't think losing a boob is devastating for any woman, much less an 18 year old girl?

Tell me, would you be devastated if you lost your penis?

we only have one of those... and a prosthetic for a male isn't anywhere close to as fulfilling as is a breast implant for a woman.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy
You have no idea what it's like to almost lose your daughter and then to make the decision to have one of her breasts removed," she said. "Some people say 'It's just a breast.' They aren't an 18-year old girl. It's devastating for her and for the family."

yes a 18 yr old girl loseing a boob is bad. but it is not devastating for her and the family. what would be devastating is for her to have died from this. loseing a boob is not as major when you look at what could have happened.

You don't think losing a boob is devastating for any woman, much less an 18 year old girl?

Tell me, would you be devastated if you lost your penis?

we only have one of those... and a prosthetic for a male isn't anywhere close to as fulfilling as is a breast implant for a woman.

:::sigh:::

Another one completely misses the point.

I was told by a woman once than the vast majority of men never understand the total devastation losing a breast can have on a woman's social and love life... even though men are to blame for that very devastation. I argued that it wasn't a very hard concept to understand once I took a minute to realize I would likely not be turned on, and thus not date a mastectomy victim.

But I guess I was wrong. It seems the majority of men (boys) here have no clue just how hard this is for a woman.

Guys, get a clue. Go read some stories of women who have gone through this.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Women are a lot more likely to stand by a man who's disfigured/disabled by illness/accident or becomes addicted to drugs,etoh or gambling . Mren aren't as tolerant of such short comings in their women. A lot of female cancer patients end up getting their divorce papers along with the oncologist's bill.

I'd bet my next paycheck that if it was Lucy who was disfigured you wouldn't have had such a pretty story to tell as kevin woulda hit the road pretty quick.

bullcrap! men and women are both critical of each other equally. Women are more likely to turn men down based on other reasons such as: if he doesnt have as many friends, or if he's creepy, or if he's short, or if his penis is small, or if he doesnt make much money, or if he isnt confident or humorous enough. And yes women are critical of a man's habits and their appearances and disfigurement.

if I were missing a breast there'd be no chance for rejection because quite frankly I'd never expose my body to any man ever again.

As to the rest I worked for over 15 yrs in human services a woman was far more likely to stand behind an ill man, no matter what his problem was, men were much more likely to dump a sick wife.

wow, i just dont understand why women base soo much of their self confidence on their breasts. never expose yourself to a man again? Even if he was willing to accept you as you are?

you worked in human services? what do you mean? where did you work?

also, keep in mind the part i said above, where women are shallow in different ways.
No gender is anymore innocent than the other.

Originally posted by: Amused

Look, her love life is screwed. She's never going to get the quality (not just looks, either) of lover she once could. Instead of idealizing, why not just admit that fact and move on?

you are basing the quality of a lover one something that is superficial. which is false.
she can still find a quality lover.
all she has to do is find a man who is missing something superficial (a superficial thing that society places a lot of emphasis on)

there are some good-hearted men out there who are completely overlooked by 99% of the women, because of some 'flaw' that they have. For example, a man that has an extremely messed up face.

 

[KrillBee]

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[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: KrillBee
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what exactly are you bumping for ? I would consider the loss of a breast due to illness the end of my romantic/sexual life period,end of subject.

think how nerve wracking it is to be with a new person,the thought of having to tell guys that I'm deformed good lord, I couldn't do it,let alone having to show them that deformity in all it's hidiousness.

"hi I'm geekbabe, I lover cats,computers chocolate and by the way I'm missing a breast ? :Q no thank you... I couldn't do it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: KrillBee
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what exactly are you bumping for ? I would consider the loss of a breast due to illness the end of my romantic/sexual life period,end of subject.

think how nerve wracking it is to be with a nrw person,the thought of having to tell guys that I'm deformed good lord, I couldn't do it,let alone having to show them that deformity in all it's hidiousness.

"hi I'm geekbabe, I lover cats,computers chocolate and by the way I'm missing a breast ? :Q no thank you...

What's the point Geek?

He has his fantasy idealism and refuses to part with it. He knows nothing of the reality of mastectomy victims... and seemingly doesn't want to since it interferes with his fantasy world.

Bree, here's your reality in cold, hard, clinical terms:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...PubMed&list_uids=3961031&dopt=Abstract

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: KrillBee
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what exactly are you bumping for ? I would consider the loss of a breast due to illness the end of my romantic/sexual life period,end of subject.

think how nerve wracking it is to be with a nrw person,the thought of having to tell guys that I'm deformed good lord, I couldn't do it,let alone having to show them that deformity in all it's hidiousness.

"hi I'm geekbabe, I lover cats,computers chocolate and by the way I'm missing a breast ? :Q no thank you...

What's the point Geek?

He has his fantasy idealism and refuses to part with it. He knows nothing of the reality of mastectomy victims... and seemingly doesn't want to since it interferes with his fantasy world.

Bree, here's your reality in cold, hard, clinical terms:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...PubMed&list_uids=3961031&dopt=Abstract

men in long term marriages bail in high numbers if the woman ends up losing a breast and this kid thinks we're going to get out there and succesfully date ?

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Vic
I have never understood the appeal behind tatoos and body piercings.

That said, I hope she gets better.

I don't get it either ... I'm really hoping this fad runs its course before my kids get to be that age.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: KrillBee
bump

what exactly are you bumping for ? I would consider the loss of a breast due to illness the end of my romantic/sexual life period,end of subject.

think how nerve wracking it is to be with a new person,the thought of having to tell guys that I'm deformed good lord, I couldn't do it,let alone having to show them that deformity in all it's hidiousness.

"hi I'm geekbabe, I lover cats,computers chocolate and by the way I'm missing a breast ? :Q no thank you... I couldn't do it.

the reason i bumped it is because we were having a debate about exactly how big a deal it is if a woman loses a breast.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
that is very sad, and scary to have that happen from a simple piercing. i wonder if it started when she got it pierced? was it due to the shops neglagence

my theory is that she was susceptible and her immune system was low enough that the staph on her skin infected the piercing, got inflamed, and became necrotic. she probably kept trying to clean it until it was too late, thinking it was just a little infected.

They said it was gas gangrene, which would indicate Clostridium, not Staphylococcus. But they also said it was necrotizing fasciitis, which would primarily indicate group A Streptococcus, but perhaps also Staph in a mixed infection. There's some overlap between the two, but gas gangrene is usually referred to as necrotizing myositis, rather than fasciitis. In any case, the major bad guy here is probably either Clostridium perfringens or Streptococcus pyogenes.

Anyway, the problem diabetics usually have with infections is poor circulation, which is a little different than a depressed immune system. Lack of blood means lack of oxygen. This can allow growth of Clostridium, an obligate anaerobe, but also promotes the pathogenic activity of group A Strep, primarily through stability of type O streptolysin. I'm not aware of any oxygen sensitive mechanisms in Staph, other than TSST, but that's obviously not what's going on here.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ryan256
Wow.... personal experience??? This seems to be hitting a nerve with you.
Any man who truly loves his woman will look past that. I have a high school friend that almost looks like Freddy Kruger. He got blown up by an idiot smoking around a propane tank. Yet his girlfriend stood by him and are now married.

Like I said, go to any breast cancer forum. A mastectomy is the single most devastating mutilation a woman can face.

And you can pull all the the anecdotal evidence you want out of your ass, it doesn't change the fact that woman who go through this are routinely rejected and their love lives ruined.

Sorry... but Kevin & Lucy are real people. Not anecdotes. And they're from my highschool year book... not my ass thanks. Were their love lives ruined?? Not hardly. Changed? I'm pretty sure they were yes... I never said things would be easy for her. Just that they can be overcome. How she handles things and her attitude will determine this.

Women are a lot more likely to stand by a man who's disfigured/disabled by illness/accident or becomes addicted to drugs,etoh or gambling .Mren aren't as tolerant of such short comings in their women.A lot of female cancer patients end up getting their divorce papers along with the oncologist's bill.

And is that because he couldn't live with her disfigurement. Or he couldn't live with her because she couldn't live with her disfigurement? Because her identity was so wrapped up in her body image that losing a breast altered her whole reality and he wasn't compatible with the new person?

I'd bet my next paycheck that if it was Lucy who was disfigured you wouldn't have had such a pretty story to tell as kevin woulda hit the road pretty quick.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Armitage


And is that because he couldn't live with her disfigurement. Or he couldn't live with her because she couldn't live with her disfigurement? Because her identity was so wrapped up in her body image that losing a breast altered her whole reality and he wasn't compatible with the new person?

very good point!