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JSt0rm

Lifer
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Things like burning a flag and kneeling for the anthem are attempts at constructive efforts to improve our nation. The blocking traffic is them working at creating a net positive to our society by getting people to pay attention to it's ills. You are upset about a personal annoyance not a societal negative. It is protesting things they think are wrong with our nation, most often with an accompanying idea on how to fix them. You just disagree with their ideas so think they should be silenced. There is nothing less American than calling someone else unpatriotic for disagreeing with you. That is what free speech is actually about. Our country was founded on the idea that we need a large and varied public discourse for our government to work. You are the person trying to stop free speech.

Well he is russian so he probably doesnt understand the nuance.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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Things like burning a flag and kneeling for the anthem are attempts at constructive efforts to improve our nation. The blocking traffic is them working at creating a net positive to our society by getting people to pay attention to it's ills. You are upset about a personal annoyance not a societal negative. It is protesting things they think are wrong with our nation, most often with an accompanying idea on how to fix them. You just disagree with their ideas so think they should be silenced. There is nothing less American than calling someone else unpatriotic for disagreeing with you. That is what free speech is actually about. Our country was founded on the idea that we need a large and varied public discourse for our government to work. You are the person trying to stop free speech.


You are wrong, again. I am NOT trying to stop free speech, I did not say I'd want the government to silence someone or stop them burning the flag. I said it isn't something a patriot would do. I'm saying it isn't something that someone that loves this country and understands how much opportunity and equality they enjoy here would do. But, it is something that a melodramatic, indoctrinated to be a victim non-patriot loser would do.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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You are wrong, again. I am NOT trying to stop free speech, I did not say I'd want the government to silence someone or stop them burning the flag. I said it isn't something a patriot would do. I'm saying it isn't something that someone that loves this country and understands how much opportunity and equality they enjoy here would do. But, it is something that a melodramatic, indoctrinated to be a victim non-patriot loser would do.

Thats just your opinion.
 

Lash444

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You are wrong, again. I am NOT trying to stop free speech, I did not say I'd want the government to silence someone or stop them burning the flag. I said it isn't something a patriot would do. I'm saying it isn't something that someone that loves this country and understands how much opportunity and equality they enjoy here would do. But, it is something that a melodramatic, indoctrinated to be a victim non-patriot loser would do.

That is a really stupid thing to say. If you take a look at any of the people we enshrine, they almost universally stood up against a perceived injustice. I dare say that there is NOTHING more American than protesting.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Things like burning a flag and kneeling for the anthem are attempts at constructive efforts to improve our nation. The blocking traffic is them working at creating a net positive to our society by getting people to pay attention to it's ills. You are upset about a personal annoyance not a societal negative. It is protesting things they think are wrong with our nation, most often with an accompanying idea on how to fix them. You just disagree with their ideas so think they should be silenced. There is nothing less American than calling someone else unpatriotic for disagreeing with you. That is what free speech is actually about. Our country was founded on the idea that we need a large and varied public discourse for our government to work. You are the person trying to stop free speech.


You are trying to rationalize people blocking traffic, harming others' rights as a constructive net positive.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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That is a really stupid thing to say. If you take a look at any of the people we enshrine, they almost universally stood up against a perceived injustice. I dare say that there is NOTHING more American than protesting.

slowspyder is a russian propagandist. The problem is he is so dumb he makes them look bad.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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what i have found is when you engage the russian troll bots on being a russian they are told to ignore those fights. So argumentative about anything and everything but they wont argue about being a Russian. Nope. As soon as that comes up they stop the debate.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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You are trying to rationalize people blocking traffic, harming others' rights as a constructive net positive.

Sometimes you have to suffer a little pain to get a greater gain. A fever fights an infection. Our Founding Fathers knew that, they made sure that our Constitution enshrines the right to do so because they felt it was so patriotic. They did not start a revolution by only sending a politely worded letter to the king. They raised some hell first.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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Sometimes you have to suffer a little pain to get a greater gain. A fever fights an infection. Our Founding Fathers knew that, they made sure that our Constitution enshrines the right to do so because they felt it was so patriotic. They did not start a revolution by only sending a politely worded letter to the king. They raised some hell first.

I like how you rationalize it. Apply your logic to firearms rights.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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I like how you rationalize it. Apply your logic to firearms rights.

I like how you fail to.

I have applied these arguments to firearms and I have failed to see what we gain from them. The harm is always greater than the good. I've tried and I can't really find a single thing I can put in the pro column without putting a giant asterisk next to it. Firearms are almost universally bad for everyone involved with them.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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You are wrong, again. I am NOT trying to stop free speech, I did not say I'd want the government to silence someone or stop them burning the flag. I said it isn't something a patriot would do. I'm saying it isn't something that someone that loves this country and understands how much opportunity and equality they enjoy here would do. But, it is something that a melodramatic, indoctrinated to be a victim non-patriot loser would do.
Oh yeah, you're all for free speech.. as long as you agree with it.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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Oh yeah, you're all for free speech.. as long as you agree with it.

Show me where I have suggested ending free speech.

By liberals logic, we should limit free speech to saying only nice things if we think it will make a dent in suicides.
 

fskimospy

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A patriot is someone that loves their country and takes constructive efforts to improve it. Not someone that burns a flag and kneels for the anthem, not people willing to erode our rights that they don't care for, not people that stop free speech, not people that demand society pay for their poor decisions, not people that actively try to cause net negative to society - things like blocking traffic, etc. etc.

The right to burn the flag is what America is all about and what’s a right if it’s never exercised?

I find that the people who think burning the flag is unpatriotic most often haven’t spent one day in service to their country.
 
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Vic

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Show me where I have suggested ending free speech.

By liberals logic, we should limit free speech to saying only nice things if we think it will make a dent in suicides.

You suggest 'ending' free speech all the time, such as when you call any speech you disagree with "unpatriotic," "anti-American," "treasonous," and support policy statements from high-level government officials, like the President, that some people should be "sent back" because of their speech, even when those some people are legal US citizens.
All of those are legitimate and very real attacks on free speech.

Meanwhile, your 'liberal logic' is just a straw man your ilk has made up, falsely claiming that anytime someone speaks up to disagree with a right winger is somehow infringing on that right winger's right to free speech.. by speaking.
Which is also an attack on free speech.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
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You suggest 'ending' free speech all the time, such as when you call any speech you disagree with "unpatriotic," "anti-American," "treasonous," and support policy statements from high-level government officials, like the President, that some people should be "sent back" because of their speech, even when those some people are legal US citizens.
All of those are legitimate and very real attacks on free speech.

Meanwhile, your 'liberal logic' is just a straw man your ilk has made up, falsely claiming that anytime someone speaks up to disagree with a right winger is somehow infringing on that right winger's right to free speech.. by speaking.
Which is also an attack on free speech.


Criticizing what people use free speech to express is not limiting or trying to stop their speech. Your thinking is broken.
 

Vic

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Criticizing what people use free speech to express is not limiting or trying to stop their speech. Your thinking is broken.
You would be right, and of course that exact same logic would also apply to what you continuously claim are liberal efforts to limit free speech (but are also really just criticisms), except that it really is limiting free speech when the President of the United States says that some American citizens should be 'sent back' because of their 'unpatriotic' speech, and you agree with him.
Because the fact of the matter is no one's free speech is ever truly infringed upon unless the govt takes action to infringe it. So for the President, or any govt official with the actual power, to threaten to deport an American citizen because of their speech, regardless of any perceived lack of patriotism, is in fact a legitimate and very real attack on our right to free speech.
 

allisolm

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A patriot is someone that loves their country and takes constructive efforts to improve it. Not someone that burns a flag and kneels for the anthem, not people willing to erode our rights that they don't care for, not people that stop free speech, not people that demand society pay for their poor decisions, not people that actively try to cause net negative to society - things like blocking traffic, etc. etc.

And which of those things did Nathan Phillips do or not do that make him not a patriot?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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what i have found is when you engage the russian troll bots on being a russian they are told to ignore those fights. So argumentative about anything and everything but they wont argue about being a Russian. Nope. As soon as that comes up they stop the debate.
There's another reason. Because the accusation is too stupid to bother addressing. You should be thankful when someone declines to acknowledge or engage your bullshit. When you get to that point, you've already lost. The accused doesn't need to say anything more.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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There's another reason. Because the accusation is too stupid to bother addressing. You should be thankful when someone declines to acknowledge or engage your bullshit. When you get to that point, you've already lost. The accused doesn't need to say anything more.

fuck off bitch. There are russian trolls all over the internet. If you choose to not think its true then thats on you. Spyder will argue for 6 hours that omar fucks her brother but he wont address thathe is russian because he is too enlightened? lmao.

Ive called out random facebook accounts as well as have others. same thing. They dont engage.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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fuck off bitch. There are russian trolls all over the internet. If you choose to not think its true then thats on you. Spyder will argue for 6 hours that omar fucks her brother but he wont address thathe is russian because he is too enlightened? lmao.

Ive called out random facebook accounts as well as have others. same thing. They dont engage.
LOL! Quoted for...reasons.

You're no better than an Alex Jones type of conspiracy nutter. Finding "confirmation" everywhere you look.
 
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LOL! Quoted for...reasons.

You're no better than an Alex Jones type of conspiracy nutter. Finding "confirmation" everywhere you look.

So the govts/security agencies of countries like Canada, the UK, Holland, France, Germany, the various Baltic countries and a heck of a lot more, including the various security agencies of your own country are "no better than an Alex Jones type conspiracy nutter" as well? Cause they've all said much the same thing and a whole lot more. <shrug>
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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So the govts/security agencies of countries like Canada, the UK, Holland, France, Germany, the various Baltic countries and a heck of a lot more, including the various security agencies of your own country are "no better than an Alex Jones type conspiracy nutter" as well? Cause they've all said much the same thing and a whole lot more. <shrug>

fake news! liberal cuck snowflakes!
 
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