Originally posted by: sixone
You know what? It doesn't even matter whether you give me an answer. YOU know the answer, don't you? Does it make you feel good? Will it feel good the next time you do it? Should it make you feel good?
Originally posted by: eits
no, i didn't at all. she told me she hated her job and that she was going to quit as soon as she got a car. i tried encouraging her to find a job at a local restaurant (hotshots) instead of strip. she could walk less than a mile to in order to make money... that way, she wouldn't need a car, she would quit stripping and have a respectable job, and she'd make more money than she was making. she wanted us to be an exclusive couple and i said not until she quit stripping. i never even asked her WHERE she stripped. i didn't care. all i thought was that she was a good girl in a bad situation and she's doing the stripping thing because it's easy money (even though she was constantly broke with no drug habits or anything... it was really weird). i trusted her and eventually i realized, just as iceberg or whatever his name was in the forums said, she was full of shit.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: eits
no, i didn't at all. she told me she hated her job and that she was going to quit as soon as she got a car. i tried encouraging her to find a job at a local restaurant (hotshots) instead of strip. she could walk less than a mile to in order to make money... that way, she wouldn't need a car, she would quit stripping and have a respectable job, and she'd make more money than she was making. she wanted us to be an exclusive couple and i said not until she quit stripping. i never even asked her WHERE she stripped. i didn't care. all i thought was that she was a good girl in a bad situation and she's doing the stripping thing because it's easy money (even though she was constantly broke with no drug habits or anything... it was really weird). i trusted her and eventually i realized, just as iceberg or whatever his name was in the forums said, she was full of shit.
no, she didn't need saving. I think you took 'exclusive' as your projection.
I'd like to see a chick in her situation make more money than stripping though...respectable job is all about your perception though. It takes a really confident guy to date a stripper though.
It doesn't make much of a difference the story kept changing.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: eits
no, i didn't at all. she told me she hated her job and that she was going to quit as soon as she got a car. i tried encouraging her to find a job at a local restaurant (hotshots) instead of strip. she could walk less than a mile to in order to make money... that way, she wouldn't need a car, she would quit stripping and have a respectable job, and she'd make more money than she was making. she wanted us to be an exclusive couple and i said not until she quit stripping. i never even asked her WHERE she stripped. i didn't care. all i thought was that she was a good girl in a bad situation and she's doing the stripping thing because it's easy money (even though she was constantly broke with no drug habits or anything... it was really weird). i trusted her and eventually i realized, just as iceberg or whatever his name was in the forums said, she was full of shit.
no, she didn't need saving. I think you took 'exclusive' as your projection.
I'd like to see a chick in her situation make more money than stripping though...respectable job is all about your perception though. It takes a really confident guy to date a stripper though.
It doesn't make much of a difference the story kept changing.
the story never changed. maybe you just need to learn how to read better.
i never said she needed saving. i wasn't trying to save her. she said she wanted to save herself and i wasn't going to be with her if she was a stripper, so i was trying to help her along with the decision she was already trying to make for herself.
as for you questioning my confidence, go fuck yourself. i was confident enough to date her and i was confident enough to post the uniqueness of my situation in the forums for you to fuck up for everyone else. my not wanting to be in a real relationship with a stripper has nothing to do with confidence and more to do with wanting to be with someone who has more self-respect and motivation in life. besides, stripping is classless and not my cup of tea. i've never been in a stripclub and i probably never will...
Originally posted by: sixone
Dude...stop feeding the troll. He's trying to put you on the defensive, and apparently, it worked.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: sixone
Dude...stop feeding the troll. He's trying to put you on the defensive, and apparently, it worked.
I am not trolling...I also never said HE lacked the confidence...anyway it's clear she knew he was a mismatch for her and it's still unclear to him he was trying to CHANGE her...and that's also read as SAVING.
Can you please stop adding to everyone of my posts though? really it's getting old...
Originally posted by: sixone
You are absolutely trolling here. You can't hold up your end of an argument, so you go off on a tangent, attacking people with crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: sixone
You are absolutely trolling here. You can't hold up your end of an argument, so you go off on a tangent, attacking people with crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
actually this is what you are doing. I was dead on with my first response to this asshat thinking it's ok to beat a chick over something he should have protected himself against.
Maybe guys beating women is acceptable to you and you feel the need to defend it, I don't know...but you are the one attacking and going off on tangents.
I simply have stated things that the person has posted here and I have talked to another about.
Originally posted by: jjsole
This thread has issues.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: sixone
You are absolutely trolling here. You can't hold up your end of an argument, so you go off on a tangent, attacking people with crap that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
actually this is what you are doing. I was dead on with my first response to this asshat thinking it's ok to beat a chick over something he should have protected himself against.
Maybe guys beating women is acceptable to you and you feel the need to defend it, I don't know...but you are the one attacking and going off on tangents.
I simply have stated things that the person has posted here and I have talked to another about.
Originally posted by: sixone
And yet, in all your BS, you haven't managed to relate these things that you brought up to the topic at hand. So I'll ask again: why do you do that?
It seems pretty pointless, unless you're getting some kind of lame ego-stroke out of it. Is that the only way that works for you?
Originally posted by: alkemyst
IMHO no one owes anyone else disclosure. If they are asked point-blank "DO YOU HAVE <INSERT STD>" I still don't think they owe an explanation, however; they should end that relationship if they do not want to answer.
In the end, unless you and your partner are tested TOGETHER and each give written permission to each other's test results, there is no way to be sure. Also things like HSV require specialized testing, even more specialized if you want to determine whether it's type I or II (both can be oral or genital)...
problem here is most don't understand sex fully and even more believe in a chick's only partner should be them.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Wait a second, you don't think that a diseased person should have any moral responsibility to tell their partner that they have a contagious disease? That's a really low class, crazy belief. If person A is entering a relationship in good faith and person B knows they have a STD, they should inform their potential partner of that. Saying, "Well, you never asked" is NOT an acceptable excuse for giving someone an STD.
Also, I don't think anyone really expects their partner to be a virgin anymore. This isn't the 1940's. But I don't think it's too much to ask to expect the other person to let you know that you're about to be subjected to great risk because they have an STD. Maybe you're not willing to accept that risk and would rather not have sex with a diseased person. But you need that information to make the decision.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: alkemyst
IMHO no one owes anyone else disclosure. If they are asked point-blank "DO YOU HAVE <INSERT STD>" I still don't think they owe an explanation, however; they should end that relationship if they do not want to answer.
In the end, unless you and your partner are tested TOGETHER and each give written permission to each other's test results, there is no way to be sure. Also things like HSV require specialized testing, even more specialized if you want to determine whether it's type I or II (both can be oral or genital)...
problem here is most don't understand sex fully and even more believe in a chick's only partner should be them.
Wait a second, you don't think that a diseased person should have any moral responsibility to tell their partner that they have a contagious disease? That's a really low class, crazy belief. If person A is entering a relationship in good faith and person B knows they have a STD, they should inform their potential partner of that. Saying, "Well, you never asked" is NOT an acceptable excuse for giving someone an STD.
Also, I don't think anyone really expects their partner to be a virgin anymore. This isn't the 1940's. But I don't think it's too much to ask to expect the other person to let you know that you're about to be subjected to great risk because they have an STD. Maybe you're not willing to accept that risk and would rather not have sex with a diseased person. But you need that information to make the decision.
Riherpa is serious businessOriginally posted by: Chunkee
you guys care waaaaay tooo much about this thread
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Wait a second, you don't think that a diseased person should have any moral responsibility to tell their partner that they have a contagious disease? That's a really low class, crazy belief. If person A is entering a relationship in good faith and person B knows they have a STD, they should inform their potential partner of that. Saying, "Well, you never asked" is NOT an acceptable excuse for giving someone an STD.
Also, I don't think anyone really expects their partner to be a virgin anymore. This isn't the 1940's. But I don't think it's too much to ask to expect the other person to let you know that you're about to be subjected to great risk because they have an STD. Maybe you're not willing to accept that risk and would rather not have sex with a diseased person. But you need that information to make the decision.
No I absolutely do not believe that any person you have picked up for sex whether that's just meeting from a club or on that 2nd-3rd date owes you a medical history.
Even if so getting an honest answer I am willing to bet would be only coming 10% of the time.
I protect myself. When things get more serious then that's when I go exploring for future issues.
Main problems are most of the people with HPV/HSV have no idea they have it.
If you are the type that drags out relationships 1 on 1 for months each time then things can probably get more personal quicker...I date when I am dating. I may be out with one chick on a Wednesday and we have sex and then another on a Friday and it's just a drink.
I don't get those that treat dating as really being married and in this day and age say it's "cheating" to be dating more than one person.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I'm not asking them for a medical history for things that don't concern me. I'm asking if I'm being subjected to a risk that they know about. Relationships, whether a one night stand or monogamous dating, should be consensual. There shouldn't be any deception or lies.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
And while I'm calmly posting in this thread, I need to state something. In the past I've expressed that I think you're a scumbag, judging from the actions that you routinely describe on this forum. As time passes and you post more about your opinions, my belief is only getting stronger. You are in fact someone that I'd describe as a scumbag. It sounds like you don't have very strong morals (and I'm not even religious), your beliefs aren't ethical, and you make poor decisions. I can't judge someone by where they come from because they can't choose that. But they can choose the decisions that they make and you make poor ones. It sounds like you routinely participate in high risk low life behavior.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
When threads come up about people who got sick/died due to diseases contracted from risky behavior I can't help but feel apathetic. To me it's simply a logical result, much like hearing that a kid who routinely played in the street got hit by a car. I cannot feel bad for these people.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I don't expect people that participate in such lowlife behavior to admit that they're lowlifes, since if they had the character to admit such a thing they probably wouldn't be participating in such behavior. But you are someone who is certainly and definitely a low life individual, someone from the streets.
Please don't take this post as meaning that I'm mad at you, because I'm not. I'm just stating that it sounds like you've taken the wrong path in life and you've made yourself into someone that I consider disgusting.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
I doubt you are having many one night stands with this outlook.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
huh...what...who's morals, what ethics? Poor decisions?
Most of the women I have slept with have been college-educated professionals. Quite a bit have been teachers...many in the medical field.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Let it go, get out and meet some chicks and you will overcome your fear of sex. For my own background I grew up pretty well-to-do and am still that 'crowd'.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You're right, I'm not having any one night stands. And if you depend on lies and deception to attain your one night stands, what does that say about your character? You're a scumbag to the core.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I've been with the same woman for nearly 11 years. People are going to stay together if they're happy, and they're going to leave if they're not. Commitment is your word, and that's stands regardless of whether you're married or not. With cheating being common and a divorce rate of about 50%, marriage isn't this "forever" or "happily ever after" fairy tale that you see in old Disney movies.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
This says absolutely nothing to do with their character. A college educated professional could range from a sweet girl to the Unabomber to a skank ho on the street. Since there is no "decency" requirement to getting a degree, college is not going to act as a filter for that.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
As I said before, class (dignity, not to be confused with social class) is determined by how you behave and not where you came from. Your parents could have been billionaires but you still act like a scumbag. It doesn't surprise me one bit that you've spent time in jail.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
11 years? yet you claim to be a freaking baller...You had to have met in your teens or just got married quickly.