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fastamdman

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If you are not overclocking, stop buying K processors, just extra wasted money. I think you made a wasteful decision in the end. You should have just stayed with your 2600k setup, banked the cash and then went with the nvidia 700series and haswell.
 

borisvodofsky

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Couple of things:

I don't think Intel plans to release a 6 ore 8 core processor on Haswell's desktop socket, but you're probably not going to have a use for more than 4 cores in a year or even two if you don't have a use for them today.

I have an AMD Opteron 165 running a 50% overclock (1.8->2.7) and it has been rock solid for 6 years. You may be reducing the life of a chip by overclocking it, but for most processors it's something like cutting the lifespan from 30 years down to 20. You're probably not even going to find it useful in 5. Add to that, there isn't really any such thing as a stock voltage or clock on Sandy/Ivy because of turbo and c-states, thus the frequency and voltage you run it at is completely arbitrary. Intel says "stay under 1.5v". Well, I am - I'm running 4.5ghz with 1.25v, which is approximately "stock" voltage and considerably below what Intel defines as the safe upper limit. Voltage is what typically kills a chip, and I'm not running any higher than stock, so I could perceivably get 20 to 30 years out of my chip at this clock. It's your choice not to overclock but the performance is there, for free. Intel even provides a Windows-based utility that lets you easily change what it turbo's up to with a single click.

That said, if you're not overclocking, the 3770K is not a bad choice. It has the fastest "stock" clocks (and highest turbo overclock) of any chip Intel sells and it's very easy on the power supply. It's faster per clock than Sandy and since you're not overclocking, you wont experience any of the negatives. In fact, you'll probably gain a non-negligible amount of performance from this upgrade. Also, you probably won't be using more than 250w under full load, even with a 670, because of the power savings this generation.


As for the motherboard thing, I don't believe I can say that Intel makes the most stable motherboards when it's unstable at the same overclock that another board is stable at. Intel motherboards are just Foxconn boards with an Intel sticker on them anyway - a company that is widely regarded as "entry-level" and "budget".

EDIT: Not everyone is aware but even the non-K chips allow their turbo frequency to be increased by 4 bins. A 3570 (non-k) can turbo at up to 4.2ghz.

NO freaking way you'll hit 30 years. The board will die way before that time.

CPU might be ok.
 

borisvodofsky

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If you are not overclocking, stop buying K processors, just extra wasted money. I think you made a wasteful decision in the end. You should have just stayed with your 2600k setup, banked the cash and then went with the nvidia 700series and haswell.

Yes, we've already established that going from 2600k to 3770k was a really pointless move. :sneaky:
 

mtnd3vil

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OP care to tell me when you maxed out that 16GB of RAM you had, and if as I suspect you actually didn't can you explain why you would need 32GB?

100% valid, however, my justification for going with the Intel "P2" segment SB-E and 32GB of ram occurred instantaneously upon discovering this information at TechEd 2012:

Windows 8 Client Hyper-V
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/07/bringing-hyper-v-to-windows-8.aspx

I think it's so significant that even Anandtech forum posters who don't know about it yet are automatically justified when "over buying" into SB-E.

The only reason enthusiast desktop VMs have not been worthwhile in the past is the inability to have enough RAM and the presence of only "type 2" hypervisors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor
 

Beavermatic

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Current build:

Cooler Master "Cosmos 2" ultracase
Intel core i7 3770k @ stock speed (Ivy bridge)
Intel Extreme systemboard DZ77GA-70k
32GB of DDR3 XMP1600 Corsair Venengance (4x8GB)
PC Power & Cooling (OCZ) MKII silencer 950w (1000w rated) single rail/Active
2 x EVGA Geforce GTX680's 2GB in SLI
2 x Western digital 6gbps SATA III 64mb cached RAID'd 1Tb drives
Samsung 830 SSD 256GB for OS partition
HP lightscribe DVD/CD multilayer burner SATA
LG Bluray and Bluray XL 128GB 14x burner SATA


My previous system was:

CoolerMaster Stacker 832 case
intel core i7 2600k @ stock speed (sandy bridge)
first release intel extreme sandy bridge motherboard
16GB of Corsair Venengance 16GB DDR3 RAM
2 x Wesgtern Digital 1TB SATAIII 64mb cache 6bps harddrives (RAID'd)
BFG Powersupply 800watt
HP lightscribe DVD/CD burner
EVGA Geforce 580GTX SC
 
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Dkcode

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Current build:

Cooler Master "Cosmos 2" ultracase
Intel core i7 3770k @ stock speed (Ivy bridge)
Intel Extreme systemboard DZ77GA-70k
32GB of DDR3 XMP1600 Corsair Venengance (4x8GB)
PC Power & Cooling (OCZ) MKII silencer 950w (1000w rated) single rail/Active
2 x EVGA Geforce GTX680's 2GB in SLI
2 x Western digital 6gbps SATA III 64mb cached RAID'd 1Tb drives
Samsung 830 SSD 256GB for OS partition
HP lightscribe DVD/CD multilayer burner SATA
LG Bluray and Bluray XL 128GB 14x burner SATA


My previous system was:

CoolerMaster Stacker 832 case
intel core i7 2600k @ stock speed (sandy bridge)
first release intel extreme sandy bridge motherboard
16GB of Corsair Venengance 16GB DDR3 RAM
2 x Wesgtern Digital 1TB SATAIII 64mb cache 6bps harddrives (RAID'd)
BFG Powersupply 800watt
HP lightscribe DVD/CD burner
EVGA Geforce 580GTX SC

Some nice beefy graphics performance you got. Will last you a long time.

Enjoy the new gear
 

Beavermatic

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Well i just slapped a Corsair H100 water cooler / radiator on my processor, so here are the idle temps...

fairly quiet case for being as big as it is. Sounds a little more like a workstation than a desktop PC... but not bothersome.


GPU1: 31c (stock circulation cooler)
GPU2: 31c (stock circulation cooler)
CPU: 26c (Closed Loop Liquid Cooling)
RAM: 28c (heatsink model, located under 2x120mm radiator fan)
 
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lakedude

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Beaver-dude, I think you did just fine given your parameters.

Since you don't OC your 3770k will be slightly faster and use slightly less power than your 2600k. Also since you don't OC you can stop buying "k" parts because the whole point of the "k" is overclocking...

I kinda did a similar thing back 20+ years ago when I purchased expensive consumer grade hardware assuming it was the better because it cost more. Got a little smarter over the years but I still make mistakes.

To whoever said that the 2500k was better or more recommended: That is only true because the 2600 or 2700 chips cost more making them a worse value. I've got a 2500k and my buddy has a 2600k, his chip does roughly 50% more work on BOINC than mine does because his has HT.

Finally the Ivy chips overclock just fine if you keep them cool. Check out:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_2600k/

and

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_3770k/

Notice how the 3770k holds most of the records? Nothing wrong with that Ivy at all...
 

Mars999

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IIRC there were more than just clock speed differences between the K and non K like HT and virtualization?
 

hardhat

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The PC P & C 950 was a bad choice. I realize it was a newegg shell shocker AR $80, but PCP&C aren't the same company they were before. They sold out to OCZ a couple years ago, and since then OCZ has been selling inferior "Sirfa" power supplies under their name. You can check out the [H] review of the 950W Silencer MKII to read more.

The power supply probably isn't so bad that it will damage your system, and you do get a 7 year warranty, but PCP&C isn't a top brand any more by any means.
 

Beavermatic

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That PC P&C 950w single rail is far better than my old BFG 800w.

I notice a night and day difference, much quieter, alot more SLI and large case friendly, and its fan works well inside my cosmos II case.

And [H] gave that powersupply a great review, along with other sites. They say "sure it has a couple of shortcomings that PC P&C from yesteryear might not have had, but its solid, works well, great warranty, worth it".

And OCZ isn't too shabby on Powersupplies. I definetely still consider OCZ/PC P&C to be top game in PSU's.
 

lakedude

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IIRC there were more than just clock speed differences between the K and non K like HT and virtualization?
I see you have the 2600k, I have the 2500k, both are "k" parts...

The 2500k is overclockable just like your 2600k, however the 2500k lacks HT and is one tick slower at the stock clock speed.

Both have Intel® VT-x and both lack Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d).

The big difference between the 2500k and 2600k is the HT...

I also have an i7-3770s (non k). The 3770s does have HT but is more locked down when it comes to overclocking. I can only OC the 3770s 4 bins per category.

Don't take my word for it, check out the specs here:

http://ark.intel.com/products/52210

http://ark.intel.com/products/52214

http://ark.intel.com/products/65524
 

lakedude

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Regarding power supplies...

A typical power supply will run most efficiently at right around half the rated power. Best thing to do is check out the efficiency curves for any PS you are thinking about buying and compare to how much power your system actually uses.
 

Beavermatic

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@Quantos: Not very many people do. I guess you could say I do it all for the lulz.

I'm not even quite sure if I'll hold onto the 3770k and mobo I just bought. Might just turn around and buy the 2011 and 3930k 6-core just for shiggles. Although this runs rock solid and speedy. May just keep it. Dunno yet.

Here's the watercooler and some system info...











 

Quantos

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Even if you do it for the lulz, why don't you at least overclock the damned thing? We're not talking about overclocking it to the limit. Anything over the default speed would be an improvement and wouldn't feel like such a waste. I can understand that you want good specs, but I can't believe that you don't care at all about performance. Just slide that multiplier up a little bit! :hmm:
 

Beavermatic

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Well. I willingly admit im not quite sure how. I've never bothered overclocking a processor before.

Not sure what the hell I do, multipliers, voltage, clock, ???


I've got this goofyass Intel Visual Bios that makes it look like all I do is "slide" a bar to the right to increase core default speed, but i dont think it can possibly be that simple, can it?
 

GrumpyMan

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Not familiar with that bios, but yes, it's that simple, not recommending it though since you have done no research on the subject.
 

GrumpyMan

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Not familiar with that bios, but yes, it's that simple, not recommending it though since you have done no research on the subject.
 
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