Tell me why you are fat

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
58,570
12,874
136
I was fat because of the whole eating whatever/whenever and not exercising.
Then I decided to see what would happen if I started eating less food, and 3-4 years later, I'm no longer fat.
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
Jun 15, 2001
33,929
1,098
126
I think for a lot of overweight people, food is something happy. Work sucks, life sucks, whatever, but food is delicious and provides a burst of happiness every single time.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
I can buy microwaveable garbage meal for like $4. It's around twice that to buy ingredients to cool a healthy meal.
Or you could buy chicken and frozen broccoli and make a healthy meal for about $2 and less than 10 minutes of prep/cook time. But that would be too much work for lazy fatties.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
16,048
4,807
136
I think for a lot of overweight people, food is something happy. Work sucks, life sucks, whatever, but food is delicious and provides a burst of happiness every single time.
Not only that but someone at work made me think about it differently when they proposed that poor people who grew up with very little will overeat to make up for those times in their life.
 

CuriousMike

Diamond Member
Feb 22, 2001
3,044
543
136
I imagine there is a different psychology at work for people who are 10-50 lbs overweight vs those who are > 100lbs overweight.

The 10-50lbs overweight group can point to things like "Food is delicious. I eat heavy meals late at night. I eat when I'm worried. I eat when I'm happy. I drink soda nonstop because it's fucking tasty. I can't leave food on my plate.. I always clean it. I'm just used to saying "Large" for any size. I hate exercise."

Those are all likely common 10-50lbs overweight people issues.
These are solvable by the individual if they wanted, or health issues insist. ( Drink more water. Eat smaller portions. Stop eating late. Go for a walk around the block.)

People who are in the > 100lbs overweight category probably have a ( no pun ) much larger psychological issue.
I'm guessing.
I could imagine at that point feeling helpless and/or having a "fuck it. I'm never getting out of this fat debt, so I might as well keep pouring in the goodness." i.e., giving up. And when health issues hit these people, they are probably the most destructive to themselves by not doing whats needed to heal.

I grew up a fat kid. I've always been 20lbs overweight - most people would probably see me as "average or slightly above average." Losing weight has to be a conscious decision, and it's hard.
Skinny people could say, "Just put down the fork, fatty."
It isn't that easy.
You don't say that to a smoker, or an alcoholic or a gambler.
 

foghorn67

Lifer
Jan 3, 2006
11,885
53
91
Or you could buy chicken and frozen broccoli and make a healthy meal for about $2 and less than 10 minutes of prep/cook time. But that would be too much work for lazy fatties.

Sprouts (and I'm sure many others) have prepackaged food that is pretty healthy and it's the perfect proportion. It's well balanced with carbs, meat, veggies, etc. It's cheap too.
I get these about twice a week when I am lazy. I also pick up dried fruit and nuts from the snack section and I stay away from potato chips when I eat on my own.
Seriously easy.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
22,840
617
121
Speaking of Sprouts -- OMFG! I walked in and came out a freaking hippie! I'd starve to death if I bought from that store. The hamburger is good though. That's about it.
 

NesuD

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,999
106
106
This. Also have to consider how much your time is worth. Cooking takes a lot of time vs something you can throw in the microwave.

Been trying to cook more myself but it's a hard thing to discipline myself to do because of how much work and time it takes. That and I don't know what half the ingredients even are when I look at a recipe. Then I say FTS and order pizza.


You have to find the right recipes. Example a boneless chicken breast stuffed with a few asparagus stalks and Mozzarella cheese doesn't take long to throw together. I make them 3 at a time. Sear them in the skillet then bake at 425 for a half hour. Pull them out serve one for dinner. Refrigerate the other two for rewarming later in the week. Only takes about 20 minutes in the oven to warm one.

There are good things that are easy to make with all fresh ingredients and don't cost a ridiculous amount of money. Once you get used to making them you get really efficient and time is much less of a factor. My problem is i am only cooking for one and sometimes it is hard to buy fresh in small enough quantities.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
You have to find the right recipes. Example a boneless chicken breast stuffed with a few asparagus stalks and Mozzarella cheese doesn't take long to throw together. I make them 3 at a time. Sear them in the skillet then bake at 425 for a half hour. Pull them out serve one for dinner. Refrigerate the other two for rewarming later in the week. Only takes about 20 minutes in the oven to warm one.

There are good things that are easy to make with all fresh ingredients and don't cost a ridiculous amount of money. Once you get used to making them you get really efficient and time is much less of a factor. My problem is i am only cooking for one and sometimes it is hard to buy fresh in small enough quantities.
It all boils down to fatties being inherently lazy. It's too much work to "cook" for 5 minutes when they could push a button on a TV dinner and go sit on the couch and watch TV for 5 minutes while it zaps up their food.
 

NesuD

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,999
106
106
It all boils down to fatties being inherently lazy. It's too much work to "cook" for 5 minutes when they could push a button on a TV dinner and go sit on the couch and watch TV for 5 minutes while it zaps up their food.

I disagree. Cooking has become a lost art with the advent of fast food and prepared microwaveable whatever. I don't think lazy has anything to do with it. So many thngs are available prepared that many people just don't know any other way. Sort of like it is with dishwashing. I grew up doing dishes as a chore in the days before every house an apartment had an automatic dishwasher. My teenage boys chores included loading and runnning a dishwasher. You should have seen the mystified looks I got when the dishwasher went belly up and they had to do it the old fashioned way. They were completely clueless. They thought they had one less chore fro a few days. I had to teach them how to wash dishes by hand. Apparently it isn't obvious how thats done. I think for a lot of people cooking is very much like that. Add to that that prepared foods are loaded with lots of unhealthy additives and the whole supersizing phenomenon and its no wonder so many people are over weight. I am overweight but most of that was gained after 50, quitting smoking, a divorce from the she demon from hell, and the onset of Type 2 diabetes. My ex she Demon likes to say I have diabetes because i gained weight. My Doctor however said my Diabetes contributed to my weight gain because we didn't know I had it. since we identified the Diabetes we have stopped the weight gain and I am now reversing the trend. So you see calling someone lazy because they are fat is wrong as often as it is right. You would do well to rethink you position. It is far more complex than just an issue of laziness.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
I disagree. Cooking has become a lost art with the advent of fast food and prepared microwaveable whatever. I don't think lazy has anything to do with it. So many thngs are available prepared that many people just don't know any other way. Sort of like it is with dishwashing. I grew up doing dishes as a chore in the days before every house an apartment had an automatic dishwasher. My teenage boys chores included loading and runnning a dishwasher. You should have seen the mystified looks I got when the dishwasher went belly up and they had to do it the old fashioned way. They were completely clueless. They thought they had one less chore fro a few days. I had to teach them how to wash dishes by hand. Apparently it isn't obvious how thats done. I think for a lot of people cooking is very much like that. Add to that that prepared foods are loaded with lots of unhealthy additives and the whole supersizing phenomenon and its no wonder so many people are over weight. I am overweight but most of that was gained after 50, quitting smoking, a divorce from the she demon from hell, and the onset of Type 2 diabetes. My ex she Demon likes to say I have diabetes because i gained weight. My Doctor however said my Diabetes contributed to my weight gain because we didn't know I had it. since we identified the Diabetes we have stopped the weight gain and I am now reversing the trend. So you see calling someone lazy because they are fat is wrong as often as it is right. You would do well to rethink you position. It is far more complex than just an issue of laziness.
We already have multiple people in this thread saying how much easier it is to order a pizza or microwave food than it is to cook. And it's definitely true - it's simply more convenient.

The fact that people take convenience over putting in a little bit of extra work to do something better for them is the definition of being lazy.

It's not "all they know" as you claim, gain, because you have people in this very thread telling you they know that it's not healthy but they are doing it because it's convenient, easy, and tastes good.

I do think though that some of it is ignorance, because people think eating healthy is expensive, when it's actually cheaper for a lot of meals if you price it out. People are just uneducated and they see these healthy fad fast food places pop up and think that means eating healthy is expensive.

As I've mentioned multiple times on this forum, you can eat a protein (pork or chicken) and some veggies (frozen broccoli) and season it with some spices and have a full meal for an adult for about $2 or $3 person.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
We already have multiple people in this thread saying how much easier it is to order a pizza or microwave food than it is to cook. And it's definitely true - it's simply more convenient.

The fact that people take convenience over putting in a little bit of extra work to do something better for them is the definition of being lazy.

It's not "all they know" as you claim, gain, because you have people in this very thread telling you they know that it's not healthy but they are doing it because it's convenient, easy, and tastes good.

I do think though that some of it is ignorance, because people think eating healthy is expensive, when it's actually cheaper for a lot of meals if you price it out. People are just uneducated and they see these healthy fad fast food places pop up and think that means eating healthy is expensive.

As I've mentioned multiple times on this forum, you can eat a protein (pork or chicken) and some veggies (frozen broccoli) and season it with some spices and have a full meal for an adult for about $2 or $3 person.

So which is it? Lazy or ignorant? You cited both in this response.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
So which is it? Lazy or ignorant? You cited both in this response.
Laziness, with a little bit of ignorance thrown in there (in some instances). Being ignorant on a subject such as eating properly is also being lazy IMO because there is tons of free information out there about how to eat healthy but people don't feel like bothering. Everyone knows that being fat is bad and unhealthy for you, and if you really cared you can go find out how to become healthy. And I'm sure you do have people who flat out simply don't care and are happy being unhealthy, but I don't think I've ever met a person in my life who is overweight and didn't wish they were in better shape.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
Laziness, with a little bit of ignorance thrown in there (in some instances). Being ignorant on a subject such as eating properly is also being lazy IMO because there is tons of free information out there about how to eat healthy but people don't feel like bothering. Everyone knows that being fat is bad and unhealthy for you, and if you really cared you can go find out how to become healthy. And I'm sure you do have people who flat out simply don't care and are happy being unhealthy, but I don't think I've ever met a person in my life who is overweight and didn't wish they were in better shape.

What you said is probably true, but as NesuD stated, it's not 100% laziness. You can do some mental gymnastics to arrive at ignorance = laziness I guess, but it's not always as simple as 'I don't feel like prepping a meal'.

Personality goes a lot into it as well, some people have the mentality to spend more time in the kitchen for their own health and some don't, doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
What you said is probably true, but as NesuD stated, it's not 100% laziness. You can do some mental gymnastics to arrive at ignorance = laziness I guess, but it's not always as simple as 'I don't feel like prepping a meal'.

Personality goes a lot into it as well, some people have the mentality to spend more time in the kitchen for their own health and some don't, doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy.
We'll agree to disagree. If you don't want to spend 10 minutes to cook a healthy meal "because it's more time" but will spend 5 minutes zapping a frozen pizza, that is what I call being lazy. And I'm not talking about doing that every now and then, I'm talking about doing it all the time. I eat out on the weekends quite often because on the weekends I like to be lazy on the weekend at times. But I know that it's me being lazy and that I like to eat junk food every now and then. I have balance though.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
We'll agree to disagree. If you don't want to spend 10 minutes to cook a healthy meal "because it's more time" but will spend 5 minutes zapping a frozen pizza, that is what I call being lazy. And I'm not talking about doing that every now and then, I'm talking about doing it all the time. I eat out on the weekends quite often because on the weekends I like to be lazy on the weekend at times. But I know that it's me being lazy and that I like to eat junk food every now and then. I have balance though.

This is probably most people, as you said. They may flex that 'being lazy' to more like 4-5 days a week though and that's where it starts to get squirrely, because now you're looking at 70% of your (most likely) dinners being >800 calories each, just due to the nature of lazy eating being more caloric-dense. I'll admit to being lazy more often than not, mostly because by the time I get home the last thing I want to worry about is prepping food when I'd rather have a beer and takeout, but just like you, I know I'm doing it.

I also know I joined the military with people who didn't know how to work a washer/dryer, and they were lucky to have a chow hall that made all their food for them, because they sure as shit couldn't have figured out how to cook something more advanced than cereal without giving themselves food poisoning.
 

NesuD

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,999
106
106
What you said is probably true, but as NesuD stated, it's not 100% laziness. You can do some mental gymnastics to arrive at ignorance = laziness I guess, but it's not always as simple as 'I don't feel like prepping a meal'.

Personality goes a lot into it as well, some people have the mentality to spend more time in the kitchen for their own health and some don't, doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy.

Humans are creatures of habit. This has been a habit with people. I think we can all agree that long established habits are difficult to break and new habits take several weeks of repetition to establish. Calling someone lazy as an explanation for the inability to do something is just someone trying to alpha dog it. Habits aren't hard to break because your lazy. They are hard to break because of many factors including brain chemistry and psychological factors. I would go so far as to say in many cases I blame the parents because ultimately our children learn from what we do. If a parent sends an overweight kid into the world who has the habit of getting their meals out of snack bags, drive thrus, or the freezer section at the supermarket well it is hard to blame the kid because that's all they know.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
Humans are creatures of habit. This has been a habit with people. I think we can all agree that long established habits are difficult to break and new habits take several weeks of repetition to establish. Calling someone lazy as an explanation for the inability to do something is just someone trying to alpha dog it. Habits aren't hard to break because your lazy. They are hard to break because of many factors including brain chemistry and psychological factors. I would go so far as to say in many cases I blame the parents because ultimately our children learn from what we do. If a parent sends an overweight kid into the world who has the habit of getting their meals out of snack bags, drive thrus, or the freezer section at the supermarket well it is hard to blame the kid because that's all they know.

That last part was my experience, and I've had to fight it most of my life. A lot better now than I used to be though.
 

Jeeebus

Diamond Member
Aug 29, 2006
9,180
897
126
My Chipotle lunch combined with sitting at this deposition for 8 hours today probably isn't helping the cause.
 

NesuD

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,999
106
106
That last part was my experience, and I've had to fight it most of my life. A lot better now than I used to be though.

Hang in there. It's a lifestyle change. Repetiton over time will help. It's a little trickier for me because of the diabetes. A diabetics diet and a weight loss diet aren't exactly the same thing. Very real danger of blood sugar going to low. I'll do that dance though and I'm getting good at it.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
Hang in there. It's a lifestyle change. Repetiton over time will help. It's a little trickier for me because of the diabetes. A diabetics diet and a weight loss diet aren't exactly the same thing. Very real danger of blood sugar going to low. I'll do that dance though and I'm getting good at it.

I'm probably borderline/over the line for diabetes as well, my father had it and my blood sugar's been wrecked since I was a kid and drank Mt. Dew like it was keeping me alive. Try to stay away from carbs as much as possible nowadays (which ironically removes most fast foods and 'unhealthy' choices as well, bonus). Sucks knowing that if you aren't consuming something every 4 or 5 hours, your brain/body turns on you.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,658
12,781
146
I can't think of a single meal I prepare at home that only takes ten minutes.

Realistically you can cook a steak (or other meat items i guess) in that, if you aren't going too extravagant or doing sides and stuff, and assuming it's thawed and you have the ingredients. You'll prolly get bored of that quickly though.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,931
5,803
126
I can't think of a single meal I prepare at home that only takes ten minutes.
Pretty much every dinner I make during the week does.

Season pork/chicken/fish with something from the spice cabinet. Cook it on the skillet in some olive oil for 4-7 minutes, depending what it is. Meanwhile have a pot of water steaming some brocolli or cook some zuchinni or asparagus on the skillet. Total effort time < 10 minutes.

If I'm grilling it takes about 30 minutes total - 5-10 minutes to get the grill hot, then 20 minutes to cook, but I'm not "doing work" that whole time. I will prepare the chicken legs/thighs while it is heating up, then I put them on the grill and play with my son outside and/or prepare veggies, and flip the chicken once.
 
Reactions: NesuD
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |