Ten Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature

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SlitheryDee

Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

Yes, it's called a generalization, upon which the entire article is based.
 

Whisper

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Interesting to read, although there seem to be some pretty large generalizations and leaps of logic made.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

I'm not sure that I'd yet go so far as to call it pseudoscience, but the evidence supporting many of the points made seems thus far to be lacking. In a way, it reminds me of a horoscope--it seems to inherently "make sense" somehow, and it could be applied to a variety of situations, so it must be true.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

The author in that paragraph doesn't speak at all about women's incapability to do those things. They are merely pointing out the distance in which men will go to impress a woman.
 

herkulease

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In one now-classic study, 75 percent of undergraduate men approached by an attractive female stranger agreed to have sex with her; none of the women approached by an attractive male stranger did. Many men who would not date the stranger nonetheless agreed to have sex with her.

what is wrong with the other 25%. Granted it just said attractive, but I'm sure they put up a photo of someone everything could agree is hot looking.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

The author in that paragraph doesn't speak at all about women's incapability to do those things. They are merely pointing out the distance in which men will go to impress a woman.

The leap being that those things were all done, at least in part, to impress women. It's possible, yes, but it's still a leap without any actual support.
 

alien42

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"the human pupil dilates when an individual is exposed to something that she likes. For instance, the pupils of women and infants (but not men) spontaneously dilate when they see babies. Pupil dilation is an honest indicator of interest and attraction."

i have never heard that before.
 

Toonces

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Originally posted by: alien42
"the human pupil dilates when an individual is exposed to something that she likes. For instance, the pupils of women and infants (but not men) spontaneously dilate when they see babies. Pupil dilation is an honest indicator of interest and attraction."

i have never heard that before.

i like the dark, apparently
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

The author in that paragraph doesn't speak at all about women's incapability to do those things. They are merely pointing out the distance in which men will go to impress a woman.

The leap being that those things were all done, at least in part, to impress women. It's possible, yes, but it's still a leap without any actual support.

It's a leap to say that every time each of those tasks is accomplished is to impress women, but it's not much of a leap to say that there is at least one example to suit each of the mentioned scenarios.

I think you guys are taking the leaps rather than the author.
 

Pandamonium

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I read the intro and skimmed through the points; it was trash.

Off the top of my head:

1) Biology doesn't define behavior. We don't even understand how most of our enzymes spontaneously fold themselves. Who is any scientist to draw lines between biology and behavior?
2) Correlation is a statistical tool. It is not proof of anything. (See argument for primate mating size) Causation is what we care about, and this article offers no evidence for causation.
3) This one's good. See point 10, where they write about how men are interested in short term sex more than women are. There's good reasoning behind why that might be evolutionary, but what kills me is how they prove that men want sex more. Read it for yourself.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Pandamonium
I read the intro and skimmed through the points; it was trash.

Off the top of my head:

1) Biology doesn't define behavior. We don't even understand how most of our enzymes spontaneously fold themselves. Who is any scientist to draw lines between biology and behavior?
2) Correlation is a statistical tool. It is not proof of anything. (See argument for primate mating size) Causation is what we care about, and this article offers no evidence for causation.
3) This one's good. See point 10, where they write about how men are interested in short term sex more than women are. There's good reasoning behind why that might be evolutionary, but what kills me is how they prove that men want sex more. Read it for yourself.

What's wrong with the method? What are they supposed to do, take a survey?
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Anyone else think that article is mostly pseudoscience nonsense? And a bit sexist as well.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

The author speaks as though men are the only ones who are capable of these things.

Women have done all of the things mentioned in this paragraph. Were they all just confused as to what their gender role is?

The author in that paragraph doesn't speak at all about women's incapability to do those things. They are merely pointing out the distance in which men will go to impress a woman.

The leap being that those things were all done, at least in part, to impress women. It's possible, yes, but it's still a leap without any actual support.

It's a leap to say that every time each of those tasks is accomplished is to impress women, but it's not much of a leap to say that there is at least one example to suit each of the mentioned scenarios.

I think you guys are taking the leaps rather than the author.

To my knowledge, I'm not taking any leaps at all. The authors state that men have done all of the above to impress women for the purpose of having sex, which might be true, but they cite no supportive evidence. They list a few examples of "age-crime" and "age-genius" curves, but again, provide no specifics. And perhaps the largest leap they take is this:

"A single theory can explain the productivity of both creative geniuses and criminals over the life course: Both crime and genius are expressions of young men's competitive desires, whose ultimate function in the ancestral environment would have been to increase reproductive success."

Does it make sense? Sure. Is it plausible? You bet. But it's all largely-unsupported theory at this point.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Pandamonium
I read the intro and skimmed through the points; it was trash.

Off the top of my head:

1) Biology doesn't define behavior. We don't even understand how most of our enzymes spontaneously fold themselves. Who is any scientist to draw lines between biology and behavior?
2) Correlation is a statistical tool. It is not proof of anything. (See argument for primate mating size) Causation is what we care about, and this article offers no evidence for causation.
3) This one's good. See point 10, where they write about how men are interested in short term sex more than women are. There's good reasoning behind why that might be evolutionary, but what kills me is how they prove that men want sex more. Read it for yourself.

The study just confirms what everyone knows. And I know exactly what the response will be: "my wife/GF likes sex just as much as me!" Well great, you found one case. And hey, maybe you know 2 or 3 nymphos. That's fine. Maybe you know 10. Great. But you're the exception, not the rule.

That's exactly what makes articles like these potentially dangerous--they're intuitively logical, and therefore appealing, despite the lack of any real proof. I'm not saying the authors are wrong, just that they do little to support their theories (at least in the provided text).

And yes, the cited study is fairly comical, especially given the strength and scope of the generalization it's used to support.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Pandamonium
I read the intro and skimmed through the points; it was trash.

Off the top of my head:

1) Biology doesn't define behavior. We don't even understand how most of our enzymes spontaneously fold themselves. Who is any scientist to draw lines between biology and behavior?
2) Correlation is a statistical tool. It is not proof of anything. (See argument for primate mating size) Causation is what we care about, and this article offers no evidence for causation.
3) This one's good. See point 10, where they write about how men are interested in short term sex more than women are. There's good reasoning behind why that might be evolutionary, but what kills me is how they prove that men want sex more. Read it for yourself.

What's wrong with the method? What are they supposed to do, take a survey?

What's flawed with the method is that they've taken a study conducted in one setting (a university) on one very specific population (college undergraduates) and essentially generalized it to the entire world.
 

DangerAardvark

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It'd be helpful if he actually cited sources. I assumed it was geared toward psychologists, who have their own access to such information, but I looked at the cover to the magazine and it looks more like a cover of Cosmo than a scientific journal.
 

ColdFusion718

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Yes the feminist movement has set us all back a few decades. It's in our DNA to be animals, why fight it?
 
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