Tenant Fatally Stabs Teen Burglary Suspect...

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: DougK62
The tennant should go to jail for that crap. You use a knife for self defense - you don't chase after a fleeing person. Obviously the kid shouldn't be robbing him, but there was no reason that he had to die.

You don't chase after a fleeing person!?!? WTF you are totally ignorant and naive. I don't care if someone stole a pack of gum from my house. If I had a chance to catch him, I'd stab him repeatedly until he could not run any more. Don't chase after a fleeing person... LOL.. See if the cops wouldn't shoot a fleeing bank robber in the back.

At least in this case, the tenant stabbed the kid and the kid still started running away.

You dumb hippie morons need to learn to have the attitude that you WILL defend your home.. Otherwise you're just inviting this kind of crap.

You amuse me with your attempt at e-thuggery. You're obviously a young simpleton, so let me explain it to you more clearly: In most states you will have charges pressed against you for attacking an unarmed, fleeing person that stole some of your stuff - even if they are still in your home. Now I know you think you're a huge badass and would kill anyone that stepped into your home, but some people prefer a more rational approach. I'd rather let the cops worry about it then face possible jail time and/or fines over loss of physical property.

If an officer shoots a fleeing person in the back they will be in big trouble.

And I hate hippies.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Crono
If it was assault, I wouldn't feel to badly for the kid. But it was burglary, and the guy really didn't need to stab him so many times

How many times should he have stabbed the bugler? How many times would you have stabbed him if he was robbing your home Crono?

The problem I see in this was the suspect was obviously already fleeing.

Once you pursue and harm, that is where 'vigilante' comes in.

I am all for it though...unfortunately too many bleeding hearts exist.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: TGS
Again, the suspect is fleeing from the second story apartment window. Most likely he grabbed his leg as he was either crawling or jumping through the window. What we do know, is in an apartment, he had time to: Call the police to say there was a burglary, grab a knife, and chase down and wound one of the suspects. I don't think anyone will chase down someone unless they believe they have the physical advantage over the other person.

This is why you should call the cops, and leave the area. The police will catch the suspects in the act and cart them off to jail. He had time to leave, if he had time to call the cops and grab a weapon. Now if they were coming after him, sure to defend his life. The way the story is presented, he came on the kids stealing his property and attacked a fleeing suspect. Fleeing means running away, and on top of which he had already called the cops. The people actually trained to deal with these situations.

The situation does not seem life threatening, as both suspects ran when the tenant came after them. The punishment here does not fit the crime, as the story presents.

You've never actually had this happen to you, huh? The cops will arrive half an hour later, file a report and that will be the last you ever hear of it. The robbers will go right on stealing, a little bolder, more ruthless, and more arrogant every time they get away with it.

 

[oogabooga]

i dont know if "nice" is the word i would use to describe death. While he had it comming : i dont think you need to stab a guy MULTIPLE times - but then again like the rest of you i'm playing armchair quarterback. Had i been in that situation maybe i would have too. Regardless, i woulder what happens now.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Nice? The kid could have just done time rather than die.

He got what he deserved.

 

[Baked]

I was hoping the dumb ass burglar would fall on his head jumping out or get run over by a garbage truck, but this will do.

 

[ColdFusion718]

That's someone's son. It's not a laughing matter. Sure, he was a burglar, but he didn't deserve to die over stealing some earthly possessions.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
That's someone's scumbag son. It's not a laughing matter. Sure, he was a burglar, but he didn't deserve to die over stealing some earthly possessions.

Fixed. Why should someone with no regard for his own safety or the well being of others be allowed to live after committing a crime like this?

When I become a homeowner, my first appliance purchase will be a shotgun. It will probably be the most useful thing in the house too.

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: halik

That will teach him not to rob peoples' houses....

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: DougK62
The tennant should go to jail for that crap. You use a knife for self defense - you don't chase after a fleeing person. Obviously the kid shouldn't be robbing him, but there was no reason that he had to die.

You don't chase after a fleeing person!?!? WTF you are totally ignorant and naive. I don't care if someone stole a pack of gum from my house. If I had a chance to catch him, I'd stab him repeatedly until he could not run any more. Don't chase after a fleeing person... LOL.. See if the cops wouldn't shoot a fleeing bank robber in the back.

At least in this case, the tenant stabbed the kid and the kid still started running away.

You dumb hippie morons need to learn to have the attitude that you WILL defend your home.. Otherwise you're just inviting this kind of crap.

You amuse me with your attempt at e-thuggery. You're obviously a young simpleton, so let me explain it to you more clearly: In most states you will have charges pressed against you for attacking an unarmed, fleeing person that stole some of your stuff - even if they are still in your home. Now I know you think you're a huge badass and would kill anyone that stepped into your home, but some people prefer a more rational approach. I'd rather let the cops worry about it then face possible jail time and/or fines over loss of physical property.

If an officer shoots a fleeing person in the back they will be in big trouble.

And I hate hippies.

What if an officer shoots someone in the back with a non lethal weapon? Think about that one for a second. Then think about non lethal weapons that will become more and more available to the public in the future, and about these alleged "laws" about shooting someone from behind.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: TGS
Again, the suspect is fleeing from the second story apartment window. Most likely he grabbed his leg as he was either crawling or jumping through the window. What we do know, is in an apartment, he had time to: Call the police to say there was a burglary, grab a knife, and chase down and wound one of the suspects. I don't think anyone will chase down someone unless they believe they have the physical advantage over the other person.

This is why you should call the cops, and leave the area. The police will catch the suspects in the act and cart them off to jail. He had time to leave, if he had time to call the cops and grab a weapon. Now if they were coming after him, sure to defend his life. The way the story is presented, he came on the kids stealing his property and attacked a fleeing suspect. Fleeing means running away, and on top of which he had already called the cops. The people actually trained to deal with these situations.

The situation does not seem life threatening, as both suspects ran when the tenant came after them. The punishment here does not fit the crime, as the story presents.

You've never actually had this happen to you, huh? The cops will arrive half an hour later, file a report and that will be the last you ever hear of it. The robbers will go right on stealing, a little bolder, more ruthless, and more arrogant every time they get away with it.

Actually yes I have.

My parents were divorced, and I was having lunch with my mother. She dropped me off at my house and came in for a drink before she went home. I noticed a box of shotgun shells from my fathers room sitting open on our entry way table. I told my mother to stay back while I checked out the house. I found our rear bathroom window smashed in, my fathers room door kicked in and of course his shotgun was stolen. So yes I think I know a little bit about this topic. Had I caught the perps, I most certainly would have used lethal force. Anyone toting around a stolen shotgun is asking for it, period exclaimation mark. The thing was, we called up the police and they canvassed the neighborhood. It turns out the shotgun was at my sisters druggy friends home. The police arrested both my sister and her associate. My fathers weapon was returned at a later time.

Did I run down to these morons homes and kill them all? Heck no, we took the legal method and got the results we wanted. I'm not looking to be the next Charles Bronson here, I'm looking to make sure my family is safe and will do anything in my power to do so. So please take your statements and go back to the sandbox, before you try to preach to the choir.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

What if an officer shoots someone in the back with a non lethal weapon? Think about that one for a second. Then think about non lethal weapons that will become more and more available to the public in the future, and about these alleged "laws" about shooting someone from behind.

That's fine, if it's just incapacitating the suspect. I'm all for using non-lethal methods for situations were non-lethal is the most apt choice to make. Though the makers of these products can and should be held liable if they provide lethal results. Such as things like stun guns and pepper spray pellets that have caused in the past. I'm really all for non-lethal force unless the situation absolutely demands it. The last thing we need is a bunch of people with a shoot first ask questions later mentality, were innocent people will get caught up in the cross fire to deliver citizen justice. If we lean towards that sort of system, we might as well toss out our "Criminal Justice" system. I would rather put my life in the hands of 12 of my peers and the work of hopefully good police officers, than an angry armed citizen everyday of the week and twice on Saturday. Though that's just me.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TGS

Actually yes I have.

Coming home after the fact to discover your house has been robbed and actually encountering the crime taking place are different situations.

The funny thing is that if I caught the criminal in the act and knew they were armed with a shotgun, that's one case where I would NOT attempt to subdue or kill the person!

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
That's someone's scumbag son. It's not a laughing matter. Sure, he was a burglar, but he didn't deserve to die over stealing some earthly possessions.

Fixed. Why should someone with no regard for his own safety or the well being of others be allowed to live after committing a crime like this?

When I become a homeowner, my first appliance purchase will be a shotgun. It will probably be the most useful thing in the house too.

:thumbsup:

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: TGS

Actually yes I have.

Coming home after the fact to discover your house has been robbed and actually encountering the crime taking place are different situations.

The funny thing is that if I caught the criminal in the act and knew they were armed with a shotgun, that's one case where I would NOT attempt to subdue or kill the person!

It is a different set of circumstances, yet if I saw some kids running through the back door as I came in I doubt I would have taken any different action. Now if someone approached me with a shotgun I doubt I would attempt any heroics, other than protecting my mother at the time. I had no idea if anyone was there, so I went into a fight or flight response, and seeing the shells I was completely aware they could be armed.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
That's someone's scumbag son. It's not a laughing matter. Sure, he was a burglar, but he didn't deserve to die over stealing some earthly possessions.

Fixed. Why should someone with no regard for his own safety or the well being of others be allowed to live after committing a crime like this?

When I become a homeowner, my first appliance purchase will be a shotgun. It will probably be the most useful thing in the house too.

:thumbsup:

What if the said 'kid' was forced to rob the house? That does happen as well.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Regardless of whatever people think about vigilante justice, the law is the law. This case is not even debatable in a lot of states. For example, in Maryland, the tenant would get a manslaughter charge and and be easily convicted, as well as lose a whopper of a civil suit filed by the defendant's family.

The absolute only time you can assault someone is if you perceive yourself to be in immediate physical danger, whether he's in your house or not. And you certainly cannot pick up a deadly weapon and attack them unless you were in honestly in fear for your life.

The guy was crawling out the window to escape, not attacking the tenant. Guilty.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: halik

That will teach him not to rob peoples' houses....

What will it teach him?

He's dead.

Are some of you serious with these responses?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
What if an officer shoots someone in the back with a non lethal weapon? Think about that one for a second. Then think about non lethal weapons that will become more and more available to the public in the future, and about these alleged "laws" about shooting someone from behind.

That's fine, if it's just incapacitating the suspect. I'm all for using non-lethal methods for situations were non-lethal is the most apt choice to make. Though the makers of these products can and should be held liable if they provide lethal results. Such as things like stun guns and pepper spray pellets that have caused in the past. I'm really all for non-lethal force unless the situation absolutely demands it.

The thing is, in order for a non-lethal method to be effective, it is almost always possible for it to be lethal, even if used correctly. A rubber bullet that could never cause a fatality is unlikely to deter anyone except a grandmother. Hell, what you think of as non-lethal systems generally get marketed as "less-lethal" rather than non-lethal.

Unless and until someone comes along with a less-lethal weapon that works better than a 45 ACP, I'm not planning on switching.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: halik

That will teach him not to rob peoples' houses....

What will it teach him?

He's dead.

Are some of you serious with these responses?

Anyone who idolizes Che should understand and approve of death being used as a method of instruction.

 

[randal]

Originally posted by: Citrix
This happend here in Boulder last month. an illegal broke into a familys home for a home invasion kind of robbery. Well the dumbass picked the wrong house because the dad was within easy reach of his handgun and blasted him which killed him.

no charges were filed.

Damn I love Colorado

<--- lives in Colorado Springs

 

[Cstefan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: halik

That will teach him not to rob peoples' houses....

What will it teach him?

He's dead.

He may be dead, but he won't be robbing anyone else. Lesson learned. Don't break into someone?s home. Break into my home when I am there, you will not leave on your own feet. You revoke your rights the moment you force your way into my premises.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: Biggerhammer
If I catch somebody robbing my house, I'm going to try to stop him if I can, but if he's no threat he'll walk under his own power. He may have a few more dents than when he entered, but I'm not going to try to kill him.

If he's a threat to my life or that of anyone in my family, he'll either get some .308 reminders that burglary isn't a safe sport, or he'll get a sample of my kitchen knives.

I suspect that I speak for most people in this, apart from the rabid adolescents who (fortunately) have never had to decide whether or not to end a human life.

The moment someone steps into my house they are a threat to both me and my family. Regardless of what they have in their hands, whether it be my property or a weapon, they will be leaving in a body bag. The law in TN allows you to fire as many shots as needed in order for you to deam the person incapacitated. It just so happens that the number of shots required for me coincides with the number of shots currently in my clip. The bastard kid got what he had coming.

 

[RandomFool]

I thought it said finally stabs....

 

[SlowSpyder]

The tenant didn't like being robbed, he just wanted to get his point acrossed.

The thief was dying to get away with his loot.

The tenant used some pretty sharp thinking.

The thief wanted to make sure he got his cut of the loot.

The thieves didn't know which apartment to hit, so they took a stab in the dark.

This is a tough situation to be in, anyway you slice it.

 

[KarenMarie]

absolutely no sympathy for the thief. zero!

With all the innocent ppl in this world that die every day thru accidents or no fault of their own... i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

i feel sorry for the tenant who has to live with this for the rest of his life.