Tenant Fatally Stabs Teen Burglary Suspect...

[Baked]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
absolutely no sympathy for the thief. zero!

With all the innocent ppl in this world that die every day thru accidents or no fault of their own... i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

i feel sorry for the tenant who has to live with this for the rest of his life.

/Thread!

 

[tikwanleap]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
absolutely no sympathy for the thief. zero!

With all the innocent ppl in this world that die every day thru accidents or no fault of their own... i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

i feel sorry for the tenant who has to live with this for the rest of his life.

/Thread!

Agreed.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
absolutely no sympathy for the thief. zero!

With all the innocent ppl in this world that die every day thru accidents or no fault of their own... i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

i feel sorry for the tenant who has to live with this for the rest of his life.

Pehaps you need to tell the rest of the Judge Jury and Executioner crowd around here. If someone maniac came after someone with a shotgun outside their home, I would probably pull my gun and put him down. For fear that he is crazy, and trying to kill everyone around him. As I'm of the opinion that citizens chasing citizens with firearms is clearly the work of those who believe they are above the law. You can take into account most people who say shoot first ask questions later tend to mention doing this so the other parties won't have a side to tell the police. If you saw someone running after another with a kitchen knife, do you think for a split second the guy about to be stabbed had it coming?

The point is we don't execute people for stealing, and unless the incident involves some sort of violence to the tenant, it was not warranted here either. The laws exist to insure pesonal protection, not knifing someone as they are crawling out of your windows. It's the same reason you can wield a weapon in front of a police officer, and he cannot shoot at you. Until you start to make motions like you are going to fire on the officer, he has to try to resolve the problem without lethal measures.

Nothing down to the law text but a decent read regardless. Text

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

how do you know that was the case?

 

[zendari]

Owned.

 

[pac1085]

100 years ago he would have been torn limb from limb

we've been too nice for too long

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: pac1085
100 years ago he would have been torn limb from limb

we've been too nice for too long

yeah let's go back to the rule of thumb! :beer::beer:

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: pac1085
100 years ago he would have been torn limb from limb

we've been too nice for too long

yeah let's go back to the rule of thumb! :beer::beer:

Sweet. I've got a pair of thick thumbs, so I know I'll be able to keep my wife in line!

 

[tooltime]

i'd hate to be in that situation

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

© 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

AP OWNED

The OP stole this post! Quick, someone stab him to death!

 

[treemonkey]

Clearly, we should enact legislation that bans the selling of knives to people other than law enforcement agents.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
The kid gambled and lost. It's simple.

No need for death.

No need for burglary. If they didn't try to rob the apartment, he wouldn't be dead.

Bingo!

man that is crappy

 

[misterj]

what if it was YOUR son.

 

[icelazer]

I don't know how the whole situation played out, but if you walk into your apartment/home, wake up to, or are startled by someone breaking in, there isn't much reason left in the human brain. My first instinct (as I'm sure most others would be) would probably be "who the #($# are you?" Barring a reasonable response, I don't give a crap whether they're dusting my apartment, stealing crap, or waiting to kill me, my first instinct would be to make sure I'm the one left standing by any means necessary. A gun, a knife, a golf club, a crowbar, whatever it takes. This isn't some stupid mistake that the "kid" made, stupid mistakes are car accidents, doing drugs or drinking, etc. When you decide to break into someone's residence, you get what's coming. It's not a prank, it's not funny, for all the homeowner knows, it's them or you. I feel bad for the homeowner, he's probably going to get sued for this...

 

[eits]

it kinda makes me sick wondering what was going on in the 17-year-old victim's head as he bled to death....

was he stealing to support a family? was he stealing because he got caught up with a bad crowd? was he stealing because he had nothing better to do? was he stealing because he is too uneducated and poor to get a real job?

and then, while he was running, was he crying and praying and repenting to God for what he did? did his life flash before his eyes? did he regret everything he'd done? did he think he was going to make it?

it's just sad to hear stories like this... i know, i know.... the guy was a burglar. but, it makes you wonder what was going on in this kid's head. did the guy who killed him REALLY have to kill him? he's just a small-time crook. was there a fight? was it self-defense? was he in a moment of temporary insanity?

the guy who stabbed the kid will be changed for the rest of his life... he stabbed a robber to death. was it worth it? the stain left by this kid's death will stay on his soul/mind forever. why didn't he just let the cops show up and give a description? he would have gotten caught and served jailtime.

why was the kid stealing? did he have a pregnant girlfriend?

i really don't think "nice" is a good way to describe this situation, unless you're being sarcastic. i hardly think this kid got what he deserved...

not even old enough to vote....

Originally posted by: Unheard

The moment someone steps into my house they are a threat to both me and my family. Regardless of what they have in their hands, whether it be my property or a weapon, they will be leaving in a body bag. The law in TN allows you to fire as many shots as needed in order for you to deam the person incapacitated. It just so happens that the number of shots required for me coincides with the number of shots currently in my clip. The bastard kid got what he had coming.

that's probably the most ignorant thing i've heard... it's that kind of mentality and fear of thing you don't know or understand that makes us a country of gun-toating rednecks, ready for any reason to draw and fire. it's unfortunate.

you didn't even know the kid and you don't know what was going on in his life. he's obviously a misled kid (probably a bad seed or, maybe, a gang member), but what makes you think he deserved to die? what if it was your kid? what if it was your kid who didn't have his parents at home because you were locked up and his mom worked 60-hour weeks cleaning people's houses? what if he joined a gang because those were the only people who seemed to care ("seemed" being the operative word)?

kids aren't just born bad. they don't just grow up wanting to be criminals (unless they've actually evil or are clinically insane). judging by the fact that this kid was just robbing a house, i hardly believe that this kid was evil. it's obvious that the kid was raised improperly.... so, i guess that means he deserved to die? because he sucked at raising himself right?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
absolutely no sympathy for the thief. zero!

With all the innocent ppl in this world that die every day thru accidents or no fault of their own... i will not waste one second feeling sorry for one low life who thought he was above the law.

i feel sorry for the tenant who has to live with this for the rest of his life.

Pehaps you need to tell the rest of the Judge Jury and Executioner crowd around here. If someone maniac came after someone with a shotgun outside their home, I would probably pull my gun and put him down. For fear that he is crazy, and trying to kill everyone around him. As I'm of the opinion that citizens chasing citizens with firearms is clearly the work of those who believe they are above the law. You can take into account most people who say shoot first ask questions later tend to mention doing this so the other parties won't have a side to tell the police. If you saw someone running after another with a kitchen knife, do you think for a split second the guy about to be stabbed had it coming?

The point is we don't execute people for stealing, and unless the incident involves some sort of violence to the tenant, it was not warranted here either. The laws exist to insure pesonal protection, not knifing someone as they are crawling out of your windows. It's the same reason you can wield a weapon in front of a police officer, and he cannot shoot at you. Until you start to make motions like you are going to fire on the officer, he has to try to resolve the problem without lethal measures.

Nothing down to the law text but a decent read regardless. Text

QFT

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: KillyKillall

Originally posted by: DougK62
The tennant should go to jail for that crap. You use a knife for self defense - you don't chase after a fleeing person. Obviously the kid shouldn't be robbing him, but there was no reason that he had to die.

Reason: He was in someone elses home illegaly....sounds like a good enough reason to me. What's the difference in that and shooting someone that broke into your house in the back?

If you shoot someone in the back you're going to be in a bunch of trouble - even if they are in your house.

Until he's out of your home, he's fair game. You have the right to kill an intruder as long as he's in your home. Once he's out, the law starts changing from state to state.

Mind citing precedent for that? Or even federal law of some sort?

Basically, I'm saying that vigilante justice is a big no-no. The kid deserved maybe to get smacked around a bit, but he didn't deserve to die. I'm all for someone defending themselves and their property from threats. But once there is no longer a threat, you should not have impunity from the law if you decide to seek your own brand of justice to "teach the kid a lesson."

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: icelazer
I don't know how the whole situation played out, but if you walk into your apartment/home, wake up to, or are startled by someone breaking in, there isn't much reason left in the human brain. My first instinct (as I'm sure most others would be) would probably be "who the #($# are you?" Barring a reasonable response, I don't give a crap whether they're dusting my apartment, stealing crap, or waiting to kill me, my first instinct would be to make sure I'm the one left standing by any means necessary. A gun, a knife, a golf club, a crowbar, whatever it takes. This isn't some stupid mistake that the "kid" made, stupid mistakes are car accidents, doing drugs or drinking, etc. When you decide to break into someone's residence, you get what's coming. It's not a prank, it's not funny, for all the homeowner knows, it's them or you. I feel bad for the homeowner, he's probably going to get sued for this...

also, a good post. you gamble your life when you break into someone's house, because there are obviously people (like many of the people who talk a big game in this thread) who will kill you.

however, that doesn't mean it's ok OR smart.... it's probably the worst choice a homeowner could make, unless the burglar actually has a weapon.

 

[DukeN]

Kids make mistakes. Doesn't mean they deserve to die.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Crono
If it was assault, I wouldn't feel to badly for the kid. But it was burglary, and the guy really didn't need to stab him so many times

Very few real details. For all we know the guy could have called the cops and then confronted the kids (otherwise they'd be gone with all his crap by the time the cops got there).....then maybe it turned ugly and he stabbed the kid in self defense.

I mean, in the heat of a fight for your life, are you really gonna keep track of how mnay times you stab someone? No, you're gonna stab them until you scare him off or he's dead.

and it's not like the guy stabbed him in the face/chest/back. According to what's written, he stabbed him in the leg. I mean, would be trying to kill someone by stabbing him in the leg a bunch of times?

 

[Jadow]

the way I see it, you violate the sanctity of a man's home, you put your life in his hands.

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: eits
it kinda makes me sick wondering what was going on in the 17-year-old victim's head as he bled to death....

was he stealing to support a family? was he stealing because he got caught up with a bad crowd? was he stealing because he had nothing better to do? was he stealing because he is too uneducated and poor to get a real job?

and then, while he was running, was he crying and praying and repenting to God for what he did? did his life flash before his eyes? did he regret everything he'd done? did he think he was going to make it?

it's just sad to hear stories like this... i know, i know.... the guy was a burglar. but, it makes you wonder what was going on in this kid's head. did the guy who killed him REALLY have to kill him? he's just a small-time crook. was there a fight? was it self-defense? was he in a moment of temporary insanity?

the guy who stabbed the kid will be changed for the rest of his life... he stabbed a robber to death. was it worth it? the stain left by this kid's death will stay on his soul/mind forever. why didn't he just let the cops show up and give a description? he would have gotten caught and served jailtime.

why was the kid stealing? did he have a pregnant girlfriend?

i really don't think "nice" is a good way to describe this situation, unless you're being sarcastic. i hardly think this kid got what he deserved...

not even old enough to vote....

Originally posted by: Unheard

The moment someone steps into my house they are a threat to both me and my family. Regardless of what they have in their hands, whether it be my property or a weapon, they will be leaving in a body bag. The law in TN allows you to fire as many shots as needed in order for you to deam the person incapacitated. It just so happens that the number of shots required for me coincides with the number of shots currently in my clip. The bastard kid got what he had coming.

that's probably the most ignorant thing i've heard... it's that kind of mentality and fear of thing you don't know or understand that makes us a country of gun-toating rednecks, ready for any reason to draw and fire. it's unfortunate.

you didn't even know the kid and you don't know what was going on in his life. he's obviously a misled kid (probably a bad seed or, maybe, a gang member), but what makes you think he deserved to die? what if it was your kid? what if it was your kid who didn't have his parents at home because you were locked up and his mom worked 60-hour weeks cleaning people's houses? what if he joined a gang because those were the only people who seemed to care ("seemed" being the operative word)?

kids aren't just born bad. they don't just grow up wanting to be criminals (unless they've actually evil or are clinically insane). judging by the fact that this kid was just robbing a house, i hardly believe that this kid was evil. it's obvious that the kid was raised improperly.... so, i guess that means he deserved to die? because he sucked at raising himself right?

f'ing liberal

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

© 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

AP OWNED

Ha ha. Good one

And that's the only part of this thread I'll touch with anything less than a ten-foot pole...

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Crono
If it was assault, I wouldn't feel to badly for the kid. But it was burglary, and the guy really didn't need to stab him so many times

How many times should he have stabbed the bugler? How many times would you have stabbed him if he was robbing your home Crono?

Zim, I'm with you. Kid tried to steal, kid got owned. Good.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: icelazer
I don't know how the whole situation played out, but if you walk into your apartment/home, wake up to, or are startled by someone breaking in, there isn't much reason left in the human brain. My first instinct (as I'm sure most others would be) would probably be "who the #($# are you?" Barring a reasonable response, I don't give a crap whether they're dusting my apartment, stealing crap, or waiting to kill me, my first instinct would be to make sure I'm the one left standing by any means necessary. A gun, a knife, a golf club, a crowbar, whatever it takes. This isn't some stupid mistake that the "kid" made, stupid mistakes are car accidents, doing drugs or drinking, etc. When you decide to break into someone's residence, you get what's coming. It's not a prank, it's not funny, for all the homeowner knows, it's them or you. I feel bad for the homeowner, he's probably going to get sued for this...

also, a good post. you gamble your life when you break into someone's house, because there are obviously people (like many of the people who talk a big game in this thread) who will kill you.

however, that doesn't mean it's ok OR smart.... it's probably the worst choice a homeowner could make, unless the burglar actually has a weapon.

So what do you want the homeowner to do? Introduce himself and ask if they have a weapon? Why the hell would you give up the only advantage you have (surprise) to possibly keep yourself alive ('cause you're not gonna know if they have a weapon) and your property intact? Calling 911 doesn't mean they wouldn't have made their way into wherever he was hiding, before the police arrived, and killed him. Or that they wouldn't notice him trying to escape the situation and kill him so he couldn't ID them. Like others have said: He didn't know their intentions or just how far they'd go. I know I wouldn't take that chance.