Terminator 2 isn't as good as I remember

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Childs

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I guess McG's success in TV (Supernatural, Chuck) didn't translate well to big screen direction.

Well, he did make Charlie's Angels. I've only seen the first Angels movie, but it was good enough. T3 needed to be epic after the first two, and it obviously wasnt. Kinda liked the ending though.

But yeah, its hard to go back and watch old stuff from the 80/90s. I recently tried to watch some Married With Children episodes, and it just wasnt as funny as I remember.
 

T9D

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Next he's going to say the Matrix was bad and Keanu Reaves can't act
 

BurnItDwn

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I have always said "The Terminator" is the better movie out of the two, with Terminator 2 being the lesser film in the series.

Fun fact, there are only 2 Terminator films, additional sequels were planned, but they were so horrible that they have essentially been erased from history.
 

88keys

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Every kid in an action movie is annoying. John Connor who is supposed to be 10 years old in the movie), acts s more like an adult in some ways as a result of his *unorthodox* upbringing. And whenever we see a young kid acting more mature than what we would expect; we tend to get annoyed. We also get annoyed whenever we see kids acting like kids. You just can't win if you're going to have a young kid in a movie.

Either way, that movie was way ahead of it's time. T3 was a good popcorn movie and I happy pretending that T4 doesn't exist.

As for the first one. I might be in a minority who thinks that movie has actually gotten better with age. I didn't appreciate as much when I was younger (though I still liked it), but I really like the dark film noir-esque grittiness. Though I think T2 is overall the better movie; I think that T1 is what really showcases James Cameron's talent like nothing else in his repitoire. Given what he had to work with (T1 was a low budget movie for those who don't know), he really knew how to use the atmosphere and the music to carry the movie when the special effects wouldn't cut it. It's proof that real creativity thrives under constraints.

Another thing I want to touch on is the the Terminator Theme. So simple, yet powerful. I feel like it tells you everything you need to know about those movies. And I wonder why there are no powerful or moving themes like that for newer movies. The recent Batman series was great, but can you remember the theme? Did it even have one? I still remember the 1989 Batman theme and that was awesome, and I wouldn't have held it against Nolan if he had carried that over to the newer series. I honestly can't think of the themes to any newer movies except for Lord of the Rings, and that's over 10 years old now.
 
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KeithTalent

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Yep, bang on OP. I think T1, aside from a few specific effects shots, has actually aged better.

KT
 

smackababy

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I have always said "The Terminator" is the better movie out of the two, with Terminator 2 being the lesser film in the series.

Fun fact, there are only 2 Terminator films, additional sequels were planned, but they were so horrible that they have essentially been erased from history.

If Skynet really did take over, they'd certainly send someone back in time to pull the plug on T3 and the rest!

I am of the opinion gorcorps isn't as good a poster as I remember. It must be because he is from Denver and has smoked himself retarded...

Next, he is going to say Aliens and Blade Runner were bad movies...
 

Howard

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Yep, bang on OP. I think T1, aside from a few specific effects shots, has actually aged better.

KT
I don't know. There's a cult following for T1 but whenever I watch it, I come away underwhelmed. Still prefer T2 to this day.
 

BurnItDwn

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I don't know. There's a cult following for T1 but whenever I watch it, I come away underwhelmed. Still prefer T2 to this day.

Ehh, T1 the animation / technical aspects were weaksauce compared to T2.

I just like T1 the best because it's much more of a true survival-horror type film. It's darker and more gritty.

T2 was polished, and much more PG13 and much less R than T1 IMO. It was sanitized, and cleaned up. Studios poured too much money into it, and they wouldn't let the director take any real risks, so it was a bit whitewashed...

That said, I don't mean to pick on T2, It's only whitewashed or sanitized compared to T1. It's still a great film IMO.
 

KeithTalent

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Ehh, T1 the animation / technical aspects were weaksauce compared to T2.

I just like T1 the best because it's much more of a true survival-horror type film. It's darker and more gritty.

T2 was polished, and much more PG13 and much less R than T1 IMO. It was sanitized, and cleaned up. Studios poured too much money into it, and they wouldn't let the director take any real risks, so it was a bit whitewashed...

That said, I don't mean to pick on T2, It's only whitewashed or sanitized compared to T1.

All of this. Love the darkness of the first film.

KT
 

gophertron

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I liked the idea and first bits of Terminator Salvation - the cool A-10 dogfight, some of the "urban" terminators that the kids fight. But then they went all stupid with the giant terminator, the motorcycle terminators, and the CGI Arnold.
 

Ichinisan

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t2 is still awesome to this day you are insane. that kid is a pretty bad actor though, there are some painful scenes of his to watch. but it was like that all along. movie is so awesome

That kid (Ed Furlong) was pretty good in American History X.
 

Ichinisan

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I don't understand this unless you did it before this thread got into OT.

BAN (for not understanding why we would call for "BAN!")

OP no longer enjoys the greatest action sci-fi movie of all time. That's ban-worthy in a just world.
 

Crotulus

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Some friends and I went to a double feature of Total Recall and T2 a couple years ago at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood. The T2 print they were showing was an old beat up 70mm print that the theater group admitted had some issues (dirt, splices, etc.). As it turned out, this print was the best edit I'd ever seen of the film. Edward Furlong has always bugged me in this movie and for whatever reason almost every time he'd start to talk the film would jump to the end of his lines in the scene. It was pretty funny and made for a great time.
 

gorcorps

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If Skynet really did take over, they'd certainly send someone back in time to pull the plug on T3 and the rest!

I am of the opinion gorcorps isn't as good a poster as I remember. It must be because he is from Denver and has smoked himself retarded...

Next, he is going to say Aliens and Blade Runner were bad movies...

I've already made a thread years ago about how shitty blade runner is. I'm not sure which one of the 10 or so versions I saw but it was really bad. Maybe the guys at netflix fucked up the stream and I watched some other movie with Harrison Ford in it, but it was terrible.

Everyone loves Aliens though. All I said about T2 was it wasn't as good as I remember. It's still a good action movie, but the kid is a lot more annoying than I remember him being.

And I haven't lived in Denver since pot became legal, so being retarded is completely natur... HEY FUCK YOU!
 

PingSpike

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I like both movies. T1 I like best though, even if some of the effects are clunky. In addition to being shot with older technology I believe it had a pretty shoestring budget. The script for the second just has some fundamental logical inconsistencies and the Terminator dad thing is pretty hamfisted and corny. Ed Furlong is certainly screechy and says some stupid things but he's a little kid. Linda Hamilton really committed to going full doomsday prepper nut for that role and Arnold was born to portray a robot.

In conclusion, the second film was more fun and the first film a more serious take. In the end, Linda Hamilton's smoking body in the 1984 sex scene edges out T2.
 

poofyhairguy

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I just like T1 the best because it's much more of a true survival-horror type film. It's darker and more gritty.

I agree. I think part of that is the balance on each side in each movie.

In T1 the Terminators sent back a metal man, while John sent back a regular man. A regular man is no match for the Terminator and she only survives due to pretty much a freak accident.

In T2 they tried to keep it unbalanced by making Mr. Goo so powerful, but the problem is by then we have already watched Arnie destroy an entire police station so John in T2 doesn't seem as helpless.

Add in the fact Sarah was much more prepared in T2, and the fact that honestly in the second movie they could have just hid in Mexico and avoided the whole ending if Sarah didn't go on her Gloria Steinem rampage, and Terminator 2 seemed a lot more "safe."

I remember when we went to go see it in theaters my dad was CERTAIN that the arm Arnie had crushed in the factory would be what they based the sequel to T2 on. He was right T2 would get a sequel, he was wrong that after T2 those managing the Terminator franchise gave a crap about continuity.
 

88keys

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The continuity of TO was very dissapointing. They could have just said that Dyson's research was backed up in a basement of Cyberdyne where it survived the blast. Given that they were military contractors, it would make sense that they would incorporate redundancy that even high level employees would be unaware of.

Would have been better then just saying it was the internetz.
 

zinfamous

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As should everyone. It's the far superior film.

KT

I don't get why this keeps coming up here.

Alien and T1 were the best of their respective series. It baffles me that people still don't see that.

not that the sequels were in any way bad, just very different types of films in comparison.
 

zinfamous

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I've already made a thread years ago about how shitty blade runner is. I'm not sure which one of the 10 or so versions I saw but it was really bad. Maybe the guys at netflix fucked up the stream and I watched some other movie with Harrison Ford in it, but it was terrible.

D: We need a special type of prison for people like you!
 
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