Terminator 4nnihilation. Spoiled.

[Gooberlx2]

I was *completely* disappointed.

The movie was bad enough that some things I usually turn a blind eye to bothered me, such as human interfaces in a robot-war-machine-headquarters, the lack of radiation sickness...in anyone, donor compatibility and the absurdity of a heart transplant in the field, etc...

The scientist/skynet lady in the beginning was laughably predictable, as was the heart donation part.

The whole movie was cheesy...the stupid fucking radio speeches stank of goddamn ID4 lameness. The acting was pretty atrocious. Bale simply sucked and mostly everyone else was way over/under with their acting. Michael Ironside's character completely sucked and was unnecessary. The mute-6-year-old was cliche as fuck (didn't they do that in Mad Max?). The only marginally decent performance was put on by the human/terminator guy....only because you can explain acting faults away with him being a robot. Maybe part of it was the shit script. I don't mind "nods" to franchise hallmarks...like "I'll be back", "come with me if you want to live", etc....but in this movie, they were so blatantly and harshly inserted it was irritating.

One actor they did get right was the kid playing Reese. He does kinda look like the original/adult actor, and his speech pattern was pretty damn close.

I'm not sure the censors needed to give a PG-13 rating it was so tame. I don't think there was one profane word. There was never a sense of dread, desperation or suspense. It never "felt" like a terminator movie.

I LOVE the terminator concept/franchise and T1 and T2 are some of the best sci-fi ever made. T3 was better than this.


*huff huff*...the ranting aside, they did have a pretty kick ass chase scene and the sound/effects were stellar. It was really the last 2/3s of the movie where it fell apart and negated the decent parts of the first.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I was *completely* disappointed.

The movie was bad enough that some things I usually turn a blind eye to bothered me, such as human interfaces in a robot-war-machine-headquarters, the lack of radiation sickness...in anyone, etc...The scientist lady in the beginning was laughably predictable, as was the heart donation part.

The whole movie was cheesy...the stupid fucking radio speeches stank of goddamn ID4 lameness. The acting was pretty atrocious. Bale simply sucked and mostly everyone else was way over/under with their acting. Michael Ironside's character completely sucked and was unnecessary. The mute-6-year-old was cliche as fuck (didn't they do that in Mad Max?). The only marginally decent performance was put on by the human/terminator guy....only because you can explain acting faults away with him being a robot. Maybe part of it was the shit script. I don't mind "nods" to franchise hallmarks...like "I'll be back", "come with me if you want to live", etc....but in this movie, they were so blatantly and harshly inserted it was irritating.

One actor they did get right was the kid playing Reese. He does kinda look like the original/adult actor, and his speech pattern was pretty damn close.

I'm not sure the censors needed to give a PG-13 rating it was so tame. I don't think there was one profane word. There was never a sense of dread, desperation or suspense. It never "felt" like a terminator movie.

I LOVE the terminator concept/franchise and T1 and T2 are some of the best sci-fi ever made. While this wasn't as horrible as T3, it was pretty fucking close.

T3 was a better fucking movie. I actually enjoyed that one when I saw it, they didn't introduce characters willy nilly, and the T-850 in that movie telling John "I KILL YOU" was just awesome.

T2 is still one of the best movies of all time.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I was *completely* disappointed.

The movie was bad enough that some things I usually turn a blind eye to bothered me, such as human interfaces in a robot-war-machine-headquarters, the lack of radiation sickness...in anyone, etc...The scientist lady in the beginning was laughably predictable, as was the heart donation part.

The whole movie was cheesy...the stupid fucking radio speeches stank of goddamn ID4 lameness. The acting was pretty atrocious. Bale simply sucked and mostly everyone else was way over/under with their acting. Michael Ironside's character completely sucked and was unnecessary. The mute-6-year-old was cliche as fuck (didn't they do that in Mad Max?). The only marginally decent performance was put on by the human/terminator guy....only because you can explain acting faults away with him being a robot. Maybe part of it was the shit script. I don't mind "nods" to franchise hallmarks...like "I'll be back", "come with me if you want to live", etc....but in this movie, they were so blatantly and harshly inserted it was irritating.

One actor they did get right was the kid playing Reese. He does kinda look like the original/adult actor, and his speech pattern was pretty damn close.

I'm not sure the censors needed to give a PG-13 rating it was so tame. I don't think there was one profane word. There was never a sense of dread, desperation or suspense. It never "felt" like a terminator movie.

I LOVE the terminator concept/franchise and T1 and T2 are some of the best sci-fi ever made. While this wasn't as horrible as T3, it was pretty fucking close.

T3 was a better fucking movie. I actually enjoyed that one when I saw it, they didn't introduce characters willy nilly, and the T-850 in that movie telling John "I KILL YOU" was just awesome.

T2 is still one of the best movies of all time.

Know what....you're right. T3 was better. While I'm no fan of T3, I never picked it apart like this. I've edited my post.

 

[reallyscrued]

I hope James Cameron vomited when he saw this movie, assuming he saw it.

I agree with previous statements that there was absolutely no cohesion, it is not a self contained movie.

My thoughts: It would have been much better if Bale played Marcus and Sam played Conner. The movie felt like a 2 hour trailer.

Long live The Terminator and Terminator 2 Judgement Day. No one will ever match your genius Jim.

EDIT: Btw...this movie made me appreciate T3 so much more...and I hate that.

And for those who hate the "family friendly terminator" in T2, I think it was terrific. It wasn't some pussy ass monster either... *shoots guy's kneecaps* "He'll live..."

C'mon.

And seriously a PG-13 rating?

 

[blurredvision]

What does it matter what rating it got?

 

[Finalnight]

7.5/10
Worth my $5.
Though this is the first movie in a loong time where i thought it was going to end differently and pictured a better ending than what occured.

What I thought was going to happen after John Connor got impaled:

John Connor is dying and briefs marcus and kyle.
As John Connor dies, Marcus takes over the resistance.
At the same time, Kyle Reese is launched back in time to Terminator 1.
At the same time, a T-800 is launched back in time to Terminator 2.
At the same time, the T-800 that killed him is launched back in time to Terminator 3.
Skynet goes boom in this movie, as it is going down it launches a T-800 to Terminator 1, the T-1000 to Terminator 2, and the Female Terminator to Terminator 3.

War ends, prophecies for the other movies are complete, series over.

 

[gorcorps]

Put me in the boat that doesn't understand all the negativity. Some of you guys are rating it like it was supposed to be the next coming of christ... nit picking about the stupidest shit when it's a sci-fi flick. Automated weapons that freak out and kill humans, sending machines back in time, etc... all of this is fucking ridiculous and yet you still feel the need to pick out why it didn't flow right? NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE! That's the fucking point. It's a fantasy, a sci-fi theme but it's complete bullshit ever since the first movie. I can't believe how you can eat up the time travel from the first 3 movies and complain about stuff in the 3rd one.

My only gripe was that they treated the Marcus being a robot thing as a twist when it was given away in the trailers. It could have been a decent part of the movie too if everybody didn't already know about it.

 

[GiggleGirl]

i liked it

 

[Synomenon]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
Put me in the boat that doesn't understand all the negativity. Some of you guys are rating it like it was supposed to be the next coming of christ... nit picking about the stupidest shit when it's a sci-fi flick.

^
This.

To me, they made Skynet / the machines / the terminators seem more evil, vicious, and menacing in this new movie. I liked that part of it.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
Put me in the boat that doesn't understand all the negativity. Some of you guys are rating it like it was supposed to be the next coming of christ... nit picking about the stupidest shit when it's a sci-fi flick. Automated weapons that freak out and kill humans, sending machines back in time, etc... all of this is fucking ridiculous and yet you still feel the need to pick out why it didn't flow right? NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE! That's the fucking point. It's a fantasy, a sci-fi theme but it's complete bullshit ever since the first movie. I can't believe how you can eat up the time travel from the first 3 movies and complain about stuff in the 3rd one.

My only gripe was that they treated the Marcus being a robot thing as a twist when it was given away in the trailers. It could have been a decent part of the movie too if everybody didn't already know about it.

I really agree with this but at the same time when I saw that revealed in the trailer it made me really want to see it just that much more.

Guess it helped draw people in to see it that were maybe on the fence about it.

 

[ChaoZ]

The best part of the movie was the Bruno trailer. Oh, and that asian chick being tied up and cleavage showing.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: gorcorps

My only gripe was that they treated the Marcus being a robot thing as a twist when it was given away in the trailers. It could have been a decent part of the movie too if everybody didn't already know about it.

I really agree with this but at the same time when I saw that revealed in the trailer it made me really want to see it just that much more.

Guess it helped draw people in to see it that were maybe on the fence about it.

I agree, but the same can be said about Terminator 2. If no one heard any spoilers or saw any trailers, the scene where Arnie and the T1000 meet would have been one of the most amazing.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cirrhosis
It sucks that bad? There's no way it can be worse than the last film. Still leaning toward seeing it anyway.

It is. waaay worse.

It least T3 was part of the terminator story, and played on the same conceits. (Future invading the past--suspense and chase).

This one has no suspense, no terror, no chase motivation. It's like Michael Bay shat on the entire production and renamed himself McG.

and McG was never good. the music sucks. The action isn't bad, if not completely ridiculous.

James Cameron never blessed this project and iirc, pretty much hinted that it would likely be major fail.

T3 is Godfather 2 compared to this craphole.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Beanie46

Originally posted by: SirStev0


Also, I can say with conviction that the First two movies rank as some of the greatest movies I have ever seen.

Don't watch many movies at all, do you?

Have you watched the first two terminators? They are truly great action/scary (sorta) movies. Growing up they were some of the sweetest movies in the world. As far as action movies go, they are second to none.

They are pretty universally respected and loved, especially T2.

They are great. Not nearly the greatest movie out there, though.

as for the genre, there are indeed fewer stories better written, and better presented than what you have in T1 & T2.

T1 is the best (low budget, Hitchcock meets SciFi awesomeness) & T2 is one of the best action movies ever made. and it isn't stupid at the same time. Seems impossible to do that, these days

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: cirrhosis
It sucks that bad? There's no way it can be worse than the last film. Still leaning toward seeing it anyway.

It wasn't T3 bad. As I said, there were some redeeming qualities.

LOL, what?

I still don't get all the T3 hate. At least that was part of the terminator story. This one is an abortion.

 

[KeithTalent]

I didn't know going in that McG was the director for this movie. I was sitting there with my friends, watching the beginning, then I see the giant "DIRECTED BY: MCG" and I said "oh for fuck's sake" out loud. I knew right then and there it was going to suck and I was right.

KT

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Summary : Entertaining dumb action movie?

Pretty accurate summary.

:thumbsup:

as a stand alone flick, indeed.

as part of the terminator series, it is completely wretched and disgraceful.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: cirrhosis
It sucks that bad? There's no way it can be worse than the last film. Still leaning toward seeing it anyway.

It wasn't T3 bad. As I said, there were some redeeming qualities.

LOL, what?

I still don't get all the T3 hate. At least that was part of the terminator story. This one is an abortion.

It was a bullshit, useless part of the terminator story. It was exactly the same thing as #2 story wise (one terminator tried to kill conner AGAIN, and arnold saves him AGAIN). He was just a little older in the 3rd one, but it was still a useless shit-show. At least this latest one gives us something new.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I didn't know going in that McG was the director for this movie. I was sitting there with my friends, watching the beginning, then I see the giant "DIRECTED BY: MCG" and I said "oh for fuck's sake" out loud. I knew right then and there it was going to suck and I was right.

KT

I had never heard of the guy until I read this thread. After a quick glance at wiki and imdb, I decided that I'm not going to see this movie.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
The third movie was better than this one. ATOT is going to have to take a deep breath at some point and accept the fact that most people liked T3.

This movie wasn't bad, however. My biggest gripe is how McG, Bale, etc all droned on and on about how much they wanted to respect the mythology of the series, and wanted to be "plugged in" to the overarching storyline or whatever. The Terminator series has stopped even attempting to avoid contradicting itself. There is absolutely ZERO continuity anymore.

awesome. I thought I was the only one. I can't imagine anyone thinking this is somehow better than T3.

Of course, those people won't be getting a Christmas card from me...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: lokiju
OK, just saw it this morning and after reading how bad the reviews were, that it was directed by McG, threads like this, etc, etc, etc. I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.

WTF is everyone looking for? It's a movie about robots FFS! Do you want some deep movie that also has big explosions and amazing special effects?

T! & T2 set the bar high, and so people expect a good movie with robots and explosions.

This ISN'T supposed to be fucking Transformers. That is a movie about explosion adn robots (and it's terrible).

Terminator has always been clever, and highly plot-driven.

this generation of film-goers sucks ass, frankly. Plot drives film, action supports plot. Not the other way around.

Go suck on Michael Bay's tit if you prefer a shitty crash boom smash bang flick.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Udgnim

Originally posted by: dr150

Originally posted by: Jinny
this franchise is too convoluted for me..

john connor only existed because he in the future sent reece back to protect his mom.

so the whole time before he sent reece back, how did he exist?


either i'm confused or none of it makes sense.

My wife said the same thing.

it was obvious Sarah Connor was a slut by sexing up Reece

so, Reece ends up dieing and Sarah Connor finds out she's preggo. since Reece is dead, there's no way to perform a paternity test, and rather than tell her son she doesn't know who his father is, she says it's Reece to set John up to become the leader of the human resistance

plot hole solved!

A++, genius.

lulz. I agree!

A+ work there.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I was *completely* disappointed.

The movie was bad enough that some things I usually turn a blind eye to bothered me, such as human interfaces in a robot-war-machine-headquarters, the lack of radiation sickness...in anyone, etc...The scientist lady in the beginning was laughably predictable, as was the heart donation part.

The whole movie was cheesy...the stupid fucking radio speeches stank of goddamn ID4 lameness. The acting was pretty atrocious. Bale simply sucked and mostly everyone else was way over/under with their acting. Michael Ironside's character completely sucked and was unnecessary. The mute-6-year-old was cliche as fuck (didn't they do that in Mad Max?). The only marginally decent performance was put on by the human/terminator guy....only because you can explain acting faults away with him being a robot. Maybe part of it was the shit script. I don't mind "nods" to franchise hallmarks...like "I'll be back", "come with me if you want to live", etc....but in this movie, they were so blatantly and harshly inserted it was irritating.

One actor they did get right was the kid playing Reese. He does kinda look like the original/adult actor, and his speech pattern was pretty damn close.

I'm not sure the censors needed to give a PG-13 rating it was so tame. I don't think there was one profane word. There was never a sense of dread, desperation or suspense. It never "felt" like a terminator movie.

I LOVE the terminator concept/franchise and T1 and T2 are some of the best sci-fi ever made. While this wasn't as horrible as T3, it was pretty fucking close.

T3 was a better fucking movie. I actually enjoyed that one when I saw it, they didn't introduce characters willy nilly, and the T-850 in that movie telling John "I KILL YOU" was just awesome.

T2 is still one of the best movies of all time.

Know what....you're right. T3 was better. While I'm no fan of T3, I never picked it apart like this. I've edited my post.

Welcome to the rational side.

:beer:

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Finalnight
7.5/10
Worth my $5.
Though this is the first movie in a loong time where i thought it was going to end differently and pictured a better ending than what occured.

What I thought was going to happen after John Connor got impaled:

John Connor is dying and briefs marcus and kyle.
As John Connor dies, Marcus takes over the resistance.
At the same time, Kyle Reese is launched back in time to Terminator 1.
At the same time, a T-800 is launched back in time to Terminator 2.
At the same time, the T-800 that killed him is launched back in time to Terminator 3.
Skynet goes boom in this movie, as it is going down it launches a T-800 to Terminator 1, the T-1000 to Terminator 2, and the Female Terminator to Terminator 3.

War ends, prophecies for the other movies are complete, series over.

except Kyle was an adult when he was sent back to protect Sarah. No way in hell the Kyle that tells Sarah "Your son, John Conner, sent me to protect you," could be this T4 Kyle if John Conner dies at this moment....some 10-15 years before he could actually be Michael Bean's character in T1.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: gorcorps
Put me in the boat that doesn't understand all the negativity. Some of you guys are rating it like it was supposed to be the next coming of christ... nit picking about the stupidest shit when it's a sci-fi flick. Automated weapons that freak out and kill humans, sending machines back in time, etc... all of this is fucking ridiculous and yet you still feel the need to pick out why it didn't flow right? NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE! That's the fucking point. It's a fantasy, a sci-fi theme but it's complete bullshit ever since the first movie. I can't believe how you can eat up the time travel from the first 3 movies and complain about stuff in the 3rd one.

My only gripe was that they treated the Marcus being a robot thing as a twist when it was given away in the trailers. It could have been a decent part of the movie too if everybody didn't already know about it.

I really agree with this but at the same time when I saw that revealed in the trailer it made me really want to see it just that much more.

Guess it helped draw people in to see it that were maybe on the fence about it.

True. But only if you didn't get what they were doing with him in the opening scene, signing his body away to Cyberdine. Assuming you know the story coming in, anyone would immediately realize that dude wakes up a robot after the first few lines of dialogue.

the first doubt would be when hot chick lays next to him for body warmth, and never mentions anything about him being cold.