Terri Schiavo

[oldman420]

hey atoters
I have been listening to the news regarding Terri Schiavo and I am very disturbed by what I hear.

I would be what some would refer too as left wing liberal very right to life and right to die supportive.

but what gets me here is they are going to starve this woman to death, that is cruel and unusual IMO.

if it was a few mins of pain to die I could accept it but days of starvation really gets me right in the gut.

who has the right to starve a person that you put in that position in the first place.



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[BlueWeasel]

I think this belongs in P&N.

 

[StageLeft]

Let it die already.

 

[xospec1alk]

theres a huge thread in p&n about this...is she really gonna "starve" to death?

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Let it die already.

I assume you're talking about the thread? :Q

 

[KK]

I agree that it's hopeless to keep her alive. And also if they are going to pull the feeding tube, they need to use a lethal injection.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Let it die already.

I assume you're talking about the thread? :Q

Nope...

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: KK
I agree that it's hopeless to keep her alive. And also if they are going to pull the feeding tube, they need to use a lethal injection.

This country is still too morally weak to use euthanasia, so instead it will take a passive approach to letting her die, instead of an active one to kill her, the result of both being the same thing, but in one case people can pretend their hands are clean of it.

 

[NFS4]

n/m

 

[xospec1alk]

i was watching bill maher a couple weeks back, and that dude with the bowtie that Jon Steward got into a tiff into, was saying euthanasia puts pressure on old people to off themselves...i think that ridiculous....

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: KK
I agree that it's hopeless to keep her alive. And also if they are going to pull the feeding tube, they need to use a lethal injection.

This country is still too morally weak to use euthanasia, so instead it will take a passive approach to letting her die, instead of an active one to kill her, the result of both being the same thing, but in one case people can pretend their hands are clean of it.

I agree but she seems to me to not be suffering, why not just let her die to start with.
we as a society are confused.

 

[jjzelinski]

Pain implies she's in a state to emotionally ackowledge her condition.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: KK
I agree that it's hopeless to keep her alive. And also if they are going to pull the feeding tube, they need to use a lethal injection.

This country is still too morally weak to use euthanasia, so instead it will take a passive approach to letting her die, instead of an active one to kill her, the result of both being the same thing, but in one case people can pretend their hands are clean of it.

I agree but she seems to me to not be suffering, why not just let her die to start with.
we as a society are confused.

Yeah in this case if she's as brain dead as they claim, it doesn't matter if she starves to death, suffocates, is eaten by rats, etc. In any case it is illegal to kill somebody, so their only option is to take out the tube and let her die.

 

[91TTZ]

I think the much of the push to keep her alive is based on emotional rather than logical thinking. The people who want to keep her alive use flawed arguments like they saw her smile, or that she might wake up. But if you get an expert's opinion on things, they'll tell you that the body is just randomly doing things and there's not much thought process behind them. It seems that the pro-life people are chasing a dream, basically. One that doesn't exist, but one that they want to exist. They hold an illogical hope that one day she's just going to wake up and be fine. Usually this belief is held by relgious people, who don't trust science and think anything can happen.

Let's look at reality here. You have a body being kept alive by machines. That's it. The person would really be dead, but you're artificially keeping them alive. At what point do you call it quits? Technically, with our science, we can keep someone alive:

1. If their brain is dead
2. If their heart isn't pumping
3. If their liver/kidneys/organs aren't working

I guess technically you could call them "alive", but you're really just keeping cells in their body functioning. The person that you remembered is gone forever, and it's time to let go. The people that want these bodies kept alive are just irrational people whose emotions are blinding out their sense of reason. They want them to come back so bad that they've fooled themselves into thinking that maybe they will if you keep them alive long enough. But they won't. It's time to let go.

 

[xospec1alk]

^^ i dont think its necessarily religious people...but it really is a decision based on emotions i think...although i don't see how someone can see a loved on in a vegetative state and think they can be saved....especially after 15 years. anyone see that episode of er where the episode was done through the eyes of a stroke victim?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
^^ i dont think its necessarily religious people...but it really is a decision based on emotions i think...although i don't see how someone can see a loved on in a vegetative state and think they can be saved....especially after 15 years. anyone see that episode of er where the episode was done through the eyes of a stroke victim?

The groups that are rallying behind her are overwhelmingly religious groups.

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[StageLeft]

91TTZ is right, as often he seems to be in the threads he posts in :heart:

 

[xospec1alk]

no no, im just saying that i think its more emotional than just religion....at least i'd like to think that way...seems to me most religious people are just sheep....

 

[Ryan]

I hate how the media is demonizing her husband for not wanting her to continue to waste away. She's gone people, face it - there's no reason to make her suffer even more.

 

[glenn beck]

ummm, you all need to read a little more on the case...

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
seems to me most religious people are just sheep....

Well, isn't that what's based off of?

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: glenn beck
ummm, you all need to read a little more on the case...

enlighten please?

 

[glenn beck]

first read this http://www.terrisfight.org/

 

[xospec1alk]

that website is a lil skewed no?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: glenn beck
first read this http://www.terrisfight.org/

Love the user name - I like listening to Glenn Beck - he's a funny guy