the next mystery for the media to solve after she's dead is to figure out who was more brain dead, Terri or the US Congress. No need to question the President, everyone already know he's brain dead.
Originally posted by: jjsole
The real tragedy is that the Schiavo family and manipulative opportunistic politicians have created a rare circumstance where most of the people in the country are going to be glad that a good person has died.
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: tin10
sorry for sayin I hope u die
wtf?
Originally posted by: tin10
sorry for sayin I hope u die
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
Originally posted by: exdeath
All these stories are surfacing from people who have been in such a state for 20+ years and then came out of it...
they're talking about comas. she isn't in a coma and she isn't going to "snap out of it".
I beleive these were cases of vegetable states with no hope of recovery, or so they said.
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: tin10
sorry for sayin I hope u die
wtf?
the mods took issue to something he said a few posts ago. he got a little excited.
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: tin10
sorry for sayin I hope u die
isn't there a high school you should be taking out?
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: HeaterCore
Whose morality? Yours?
Morality isn't the province of the courts. Insofar as government should be involved in morality, it is the legislative branch's job -- the elected representatives of the people -- to convert morality into law. Where, as here, that law is applied strictly by the courts, and there is no Constitutional objection to the law, there's no morality issue. Period. You have no right to impose your brand of morality on Terri Schiavo, just as I have no right to impose mine on her or you.
Learned Hand on Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.:
?I remember once I was with him; it was a Saturday when the Court was to confer. It was before we had a motorcar, and we jogged along in an old coupe. When we got down the Capitol, I wanted to provoke a response, so as he walked off, I said to him: ?Well, sir, goodbye. Do justice!? He turned quite sharply and he said: ?Come here. Come here.? I answered: ?Oh, I know, I know.? He replied: ?That is not my job. My job is to play the game according to the rules.??
So why are you complaining? The courts actually stayed out of this one. The legislative branch made the laws that allow for Terri Schiavo's husband to act as her gaurdian. He epxressed that she had conferred to him that her will (her moral choice) would be to not live like this. The courts simply upheld the legislative law that allowed for terri's husband to make that choice. They didn't counter any laws here. The conservative (or maybe the religous right would be a better description) was attempting to have the courts actually rule COUNTER to what the law (written by the legislature) says. You need to keep in mind that the legislative branch has not passed any law other than that, that allowed the federal courts to look at this. That's all they've done. To do any more would make it to obvious that this a direct breach into the private affairs of citizens by big government and the republican party is not that suicidal. So the courts have not decided the morality of this issue, laws written by the legislature (elected by the people) did.
Originally posted by: DearQT
BS! Who the hell determines what constitutes dignity? Oh, let's even read the dictionary's definition of dignity for all of you who're throwing a term around without seeming to know the definition: dig?ni?ty \"dig-ne-te\ n, pl -ties 1 : the quality or state of being worthy, honored, or esteemed 2 : high rank, office, or position 3 : formal reserve of manner, language, or appearance
(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved
So people who do not live your so-called quality of life (i.e., disabled) are without dignity? They're worthless? Without honor? Without esteem? Or are you picking definition two? What rankings do we have here? Do you feel superior to her existence? Or are you picking definition three? What formality do any of you practice? Are not you all usually the first to rebuke elitism?
Stop the BS! Do you decide morality for people, while saying the government shouldn't? I'm sick and tired of hypocrites! :| We're supposed to believe and with sufficient evidence that the patient was a devout religious person, yet you sit there and mock religion. Nice! How many of you have even cared to ask what this woman's life was like, who she was, what her belief system was, and how she perceived moral issues in order to get a general idea about her? No, as usual, you have all ignorantly and cowardly taken a position and stuck to it without room for persuasion; nor have you any interest in being well-informed and reading the materials yourself from the direct proceedings. You all prefer the cliff notes; don't you? You all prefer to link to sites that favor your points of view and claim that they're more credible while discrediting other sites with opposing views; don't you? Shame on you all! :disgust:
Originally posted by: DearQT
BS! Who the hell determines what constitutes dignity? Oh, let's even read the dictionary's definition of dignity for all of you who're throwing a term around without seeming to know the definition: dig?ni?ty \"dig-ne-te\ n, pl -ties 1 : the quality or state of being worthy, honored, or esteemed 2 : high rank, office, or position 3 : formal reserve of manner, language, or appearance
(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved
So people who do not live your so-called quality of life (i.e., disabled) are without dignity? They're worthless? Without honor? Without esteem? Or are you picking definition two? What rankings do we have here? Do you feel superior to her existence? Or are you picking definition three? What formality do any of you practice? Are not you all usually the first to rebuke elitism?
Stop the BS! Do you decide morality for people, while saying the government shouldn't? I'm sick and tired of hypocrites! :| We're supposed to believe and with sufficient evidence that the patient was a devout religious person, yet you sit there and mock religion. Nice! How many of you have even cared to ask what this woman's life was like, who she was, what her belief system was, and how she perceived moral issues in order to get a general idea about her? No, as usual, you have all ignorantly and cowardly taken a position and stuck to it without room for persuasion; nor have you any interest in being well-informed and reading the materials yourself from the direct proceedings. You all prefer the cliff notes; don't you? You all prefer to link to sites that favor your points of view and claim that they're more credible while discrediting other sites with opposing views; don't you? Shame on you all! :disgust:
And how what would you do with those who are very aware, intelligent quadriplegics who want to remain alive, but are unable to feed themselves?Originally posted by: rickn
I think any person with even the smallest amount of dignity should atleast be able to feed themselves
Originally posted by: DearQT
You all prefer the cliff notes; don't you? You all prefer to link to sites that favor your points of view and claim that they're more credible while discrediting other sites with opposing views; don't you? Shame on you all! :disgust:
Originally posted by: Harvey
I also agree with the majority of Americans who believe the politicians are grandstanding for religious right, and I hope they get their asses burned for it.
Originally posted by: glenn beck
ummm, you all need to read a little more on the case...
Originally posted by: Harvey
And how what would you do with those who are very aware, intelligent quadriplegics who want to remain alive, but are unable to feed themselves?Originally posted by: rickn
I think any person with even the smallest amount of dignity should atleast be able to feed themselves
A serious part of Terri Schiavo's brain has deteriorated into soup. I feel the deepest sympathy for her, her husband and her family. Dealing with the end of life in such cases is always traumatic. I wish all of them peace with themselves and their memories of her.
In this case, I agree with the majority of Americans who believe she should be allowed to expire. I also agree with the majority of Americans who believe the politicians are grandstanding for the religious right, and I hope they get their asses burned for it.
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
Originally posted by: exdeath
All these stories are surfacing from people who have been in such a state for 20+ years and then came out of it...
they're talking about comas. she isn't in a coma and she isn't going to "snap out of it".
I beleive these were cases of vegetable states with no hope of recovery, or so they said.
Here is a hint my friend....When parts of your brain turn to liquid goo it will not regenerate and you will not "come out of it". These people who have been in comas or the mis-label/-diagnosed "vegatated states" and who came out of it did not have major parts their brain become liquefied goo. Sorry it just doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by: arsbanned
It's interesting how the Republicans want to keep one vegetable alive, while at the same time they are more than willing to kill limitless numbers of Iraqis.
They seem unwilling to solve the important problems facing the nation and continually strive to deflect from those problems all the while pursuing legislative efforts to further strip personal liberties.
Scary times.
Like the Whitehouse and Congress. :|Originally posted by: exdeath
Of course that cult has far more reaching and more dangerous regions than just Iraq ...
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
Originally posted by: exdeath
All these stories are surfacing from people who have been in such a state for 20+ years and then came out of it...
they're talking about comas. she isn't in a coma and she isn't going to "snap out of it".
I beleive these were cases of vegetable states with no hope of recovery, or so they said.
Here is a hint my friend....When parts of your brain turn to liquid goo it will not regenerate and you will not "come out of it". These people who have been in comas or the mis-label/-diagnosed "vegatated states" and who came out of it did not have major parts their brain become liquefied goo. Sorry it just doesn't work that way.
I'm just quoting what I've heard. I don't know if vegetated state requires the brain to be liquid or not, of if these were misdiagnoses; I am not implying that a liquefied brain can recover!
But I pretty much look at it like a PC. You have this hard drive that is completely destroyed, and even if you replace it, the contents and damage is still irreparable. Brain cells have actually been found to regenerate, but of course, they are 'blank' and will never function where they did before. Often times the parts of the brain that are lost include the essential parts of the human 'BIOS' ROM that allow us to learn and interact, etc. This would be the high level autonomous mental systems that drive our curiosity, desire to learn and retain information, and what distinguishes us from animals.
In Terri's case, we have a busted hard drive with 95% bad sectors and a dead XP, and all that she can manage do get going is a hacked version of a DOS 2.11 boot sector that people are trying to interpret as her ?being there?. For all intents and purposes it 'works', but by what standards? That really depends on if you define life at the mental level or the biological level.
If you smash a circuit or a chip and apply power to it, pieces of it may still attempt to function and appear to be doing something, but those are just a few random isolated transistors that are doing all they know how to do: switch on and off, and maybe even small functional units will still attempt to vocalize or move something. But the system as a whole will never work again to any realistic purpose.
This is pretty much how I view the Terri situation?