He gets nothing out of continuing this fight yet he still does. Maybe he wants to see his wife finally be able to truly rest as she wished.
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: totalcommand
And they also said there is no further treatement possible.
He is being absolutely fair. The legislative branch has overstepped its bounds by trying to subpoena a person in PVS to keep her alive.
But the judge hasn't even allowed other tests to be performed. That's fair? And the Legislators probably think that this judge overstepped his bounds, so they're trying to reign him in.
Well, if Michael really wanted to move on, he'd transfer custody to Terri's parents, but since he hasn't, I have to question his motives.
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: totalcommand
And they also said there is no further treatement possible.
He is being absolutely fair. The legislative branch has overstepped its bounds by trying to subpoena a person in PVS to keep her alive.
But the judge hasn't even allowed other tests to be performed. That's fair? And the Legislators probably think that this judge overstepped his bounds, so they're trying to reign him in.
Well, if Michael really wanted to move on, he'd transfer custody to Terri's parents, but since he hasn't, I have to question his motives.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This is quite an eye-opening article.
It's too long to summarize, but I hope that those who advocate killing Terri take the time to read it.
Starving for a Fair Diagnosis
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?
Kremlar, if you really wanted to know who we have to thank for this method ...
RIP what is there to explain? Let's just assume MS is telling the truth. They were married as adults and he should know her wishes better than anyone. Perhaps they had converstations or she once stated, God, I would not want to live like that...
If this were YOU and these were YOUR wishes, would you want your Mother and Father telling your wife what you would have wanted. Don't you think it would be your wife's call, not theres? Why can't you just respect her wishes?
I'm not going to assume anything. We don't know what her wishes are.
Nice cop out RIP. I asked YOU if it were YOUR wish, and your Wife was trying to carry it out, would you support your parents right to interfere?
If I didn't have a living will I would hope that my parents would prevent me from being starved to death.
Again, you did not answer the question but why am I not surprised? You should really run for President RIP, you have obfuscation and diversion down to a science.
Alright, I'll play it your way this one time.
You have stated your wishes! You want to be prolonged if pulling the feeding tube is the only way they will allow you to die. Your Mother and Father step in and say BS, pull the tube. Forget your living will, it is not worth the paper it is written on for sake of this discussion. Should your parent be allowed to speak for your wife?
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?
Kremlar, if you really wanted to know who we have to thank for this method ...
RIP what is there to explain? Let's just assume MS is telling the truth. They were married as adults and he should know her wishes better than anyone. Perhaps they had converstations or she once stated, God, I would not want to live like that...
If this were YOU and these were YOUR wishes, would you want your Mother and Father telling your wife what you would have wanted. Don't you think it would be your wife's call, not theres? Why can't you just respect her wishes?
I'm not going to assume anything. We don't know what her wishes are.
Yes we do. Her husband stated that her wishes that she not be kept alive in an event such as this. Its his wife and its amazing how the sanctity of marriage is only convenient for the republicans when its to their advantage. I have no reason at all to believe he's lying either. He turned down 1 million dollars to keep the tube in, so I think that proves he's acting on her wishes. And the government, mommy, daddy, and everyone else should respect her husband, who no doubt loves her more than anyone else on this planet.
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?
Kremlar, if you really wanted to know who we have to thank for this method ...
RIP what is there to explain? Let's just assume MS is telling the truth. They were married as adults and he should know her wishes better than anyone. Perhaps they had converstations or she once stated, God, I would not want to live like that...
If this were YOU and these were YOUR wishes, would you want your Mother and Father telling your wife what you would have wanted. Don't you think it would be your wife's call, not theres? Why can't you just respect her wishes?
I'm not going to assume anything. We don't know what her wishes are.
Yes we do. Her husband stated that her wishes that she not be kept alive in an event such as this. Its his wife and its amazing how the sanctity of marriage is only convenient for the republicans when its to their advantage. I have no reason at all to believe he's lying either. He turned down 1 million dollars to keep the tube in, so I think that proves he's acting on her wishes. And the government, mommy, daddy, and everyone else should respect her husband, who no doubt loves her more than anyone else on this planet.
Laff, you really are an idiot....her husband loves her sooooo much he's pumped some other chick while she was in a coma and had 2 kids with her........
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?
Kremlar, if you really wanted to know who we have to thank for this method ...
RIP what is there to explain? Let's just assume MS is telling the truth. They were married as adults and he should know her wishes better than anyone. Perhaps they had converstations or she once stated, God, I would not want to live like that...
If this were YOU and these were YOUR wishes, would you want your Mother and Father telling your wife what you would have wanted. Don't you think it would be your wife's call, not theres? Why can't you just respect her wishes?
I'm not going to assume anything. We don't know what her wishes are.
Yes we do. Her husband stated that her wishes that she not be kept alive in an event such as this. Its his wife and its amazing how the sanctity of marriage is only convenient for the republicans when its to their advantage. I have no reason at all to believe he's lying either. He turned down 1 million dollars to keep the tube in, so I think that proves he's acting on her wishes. And the government, mommy, daddy, and everyone else should respect her husband, who no doubt loves her more than anyone else on this planet.
Laff, you really are an idiot....her husband loves her sooooo much he's pumped some other chick while she was in a coma and had 2 kids with her........
Laff, you're really evil. Supporting terri's torture for as long as possible.
Originally posted by: Fausto
Republicans: Keeping government small unless you are gay, unborn, or dying. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Regardless of the case, I hate the fact that Republican controlled legislative powers are trying to circumvent and ignore judicial rulings by creating laws that are designed to breach the very system of government that the constitution mandates. The FL Supreme Court judges against the parents and the legislative body tries to pass laws within days, all with the blessing of Jeb Bush. The Supreme Court of the US refuses to block the removal of the tube and Congressional leaders in the House and Senate decide it is time to pass new laws that will prevent the court order from taking effect. These types of strong armed legislation go against our rule of law and should be seen for what they are- An attempt to appease fringe members of the party which only reinforce their support.
All those attempts do certainly seem like an end run around the system of checks and balances.
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?
Kremlar, if you really wanted to know who we have to thank for this method ...
RIP what is there to explain? Let's just assume MS is telling the truth. They were married as adults and he should know her wishes better than anyone. Perhaps they had converstations or she once stated, God, I would not want to live like that...
If this were YOU and these were YOUR wishes, would you want your Mother and Father telling your wife what you would have wanted. Don't you think it would be your wife's call, not theres? Why can't you just respect her wishes?
I'm not going to assume anything. We don't know what her wishes are.
Yes we do. Her husband stated that her wishes that she not be kept alive in an event such as this. Its his wife and its amazing how the sanctity of marriage is only convenient for the republicans when its to their advantage. I have no reason at all to believe he's lying either. He turned down 1 million dollars to keep the tube in, so I think that proves he's acting on her wishes. And the government, mommy, daddy, and everyone else should respect her husband, who no doubt loves her more than anyone else on this planet.
Laff, you really are an idiot....her husband loves her sooooo much he's pumped some other chick while she was in a coma and had 2 kids with her........
Laff, you're really evil. Supporting terri's torture for as long as possible.
Maybe your life is torture....we shouldn't allow you food either....
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Riprorin
You want her "husband" who is shaked up with a woman and has two kids while he's married to Terri to decide her fate?
There's no hypocrisy there. :disgust:
his wife has been effectively dead, in a vegitative state for 10 years. I can't blame him for moving on with his life.
what does he have to gain from pulling out the feeding tube other than peace of mind knowing that he's helped to fufill his wife's wishes? he could get a divorice any time he wanted to, and the situation obviously hasn't stopped him from moving on with his life.
if he were as much of a bastar.d as you're making him out to be, wouldn't it have been significantly easier to just drop the fight, get a divorice, and let his wife's family deal with the warm corpse?
So if she's 'effectively dead', then their marriage is dissolved, and power of attorney is transfered to her next of kin (her parents basically), right?
nope.
Why not?
Mike's lucky that Florida doesn't acknowledge common-law marriage...
Yet, he's still guilty of a second degree misdemeanor for "living in open adultery"
nope. he's getting engaged to be married after she passes away. and I highly doubt that this law has been enforced in this way at any time.
No time like the present. And I believe he's referred to this woman as his "fiancée". Conflict of interest? Naaaah!
correct, no conflict of interest. you think he's trying to let terri die for fun? to marry someone else? if he wanted to, he would just divorce terri.
he's respecting terry's wishes of not being kept alive in a coma.
meanwhile, her parents, you, rip, and the florida congress are trying to torture her for as long as possible.
Yeah, the guy's a prince.
How is she being "tortured"?
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This is quite an eye-opening article.
It's too long to summarize, but I hope that those who advocate killing Terri take the time to read it.
Starving for a Fair Diagnosis
What is your fetish with crapping out links all the time? Are you capable of thinking for yourself?
Originally posted by: hysperion
Actually you're making a straw man argument assuming that she told her husband she would want to die and that it's a proven fact. Something you don't know........Quit saying he's copping out when your comment makes you look stupider then Terri is right now....
Originally posted by: hysperion
Laff, you really are an idiot....her husband loves her sooooo much he's pumped some other chick while she was in a coma and had 2 kids with her........
Originally posted by: hemiram
This is one of the reasons everyone in my family made a living will, so there won't be any of this fighting crap. Ours all say the same thing, if we are going to be a veg, pull the plug, let nature take it's course. The money spent on keeping someone alive could be used for actually helping someone who can be helped.
I don't know anyone who would want to live like this, it's not living, it's being a "meatshell", nothing is really left of you, except the body. Once the brain is gone, so are you.
Only the most deranged fundy would fault someone for moving on after something happens like this to their husband or wife. No, they think "Until death do us part" means that Terri's hubby should be celibate until she dies, and she must be kept alive as long as is possible, regardless of her wishes, thereby ruining a second life along with the sick/injured person. She in every important way, died right after the injury.
I love how the fundies wail about "poor Terri", but when someone is mentally ill and commits murder, they are all for giving them the needle, when they wouldn't have done the murder if they werent insane! One more reason the govt made a huge mistake in slosing the mental hospitals almost 30 years ago. It generated a majority of the true, long term homeless, and caused people to end up in prison, when they should be hospitalized.
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Every single one of these fools who is using her sad circumstance in life should be
taken out of political office as soon as possible - they don't really give a damn about the woman & her family,
they're using it to push their agenda forward for a small group of fanatics.
Shameful.
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I, (Bride/Groom), take you (Groom/Bride), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.
Her "husband" is shacked up with another women and has two kids.
Why should I believe somone who can't keep his wedding vow?
Rot in hell hypocrite. I hope this happens to you someday. I really do. It would serve you right. Try and pass of the sanctity of marrige so long as them queers can't get married but when it has to do with some veg's life and the right to it, it turns 180 degrees.
Face fact RIP, you could care less if she had a legal document, you would side with the Parents on this.
Originally posted by: element
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I, (Bride/Groom), take you (Groom/Bride), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.
Her "husband" is shacked up with another women and has two kids.
Why should I believe somone who can't keep his wedding vow?
Rot in hell hypocrite. I hope this happens to you someday. I really do. It would serve you right. Try and pass of the sanctity of marrige so long as them queers can't get married but when it has to do with some veg's life and the right to it, it turns 180 degrees.
Face fact RIP, you could care less if she had a legal document, you would side with the Parents on this.
Rot in hell yourself scumbag. I don't hope you one day feel what it feels like to starve to death. Because I'm not some sick twisted fvck like you.
Originally posted by: lebe0024
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the much of the push to keep her alive is based on emotional rather than logical thinking. The people who want to keep her alive use flawed arguments like they saw her smile, or that she might wake up. But if you get an expert's opinion on things, they'll tell you that the body is just randomly doing things and there's not much thought process behind them. It seems that the pro-life people are chasing a dream, basically. One that doesn't exist, but one that they want to exist. They hold an illogical hope that one day she's just going to wake up and be fine. Usually this belief is held by relgious people, who don't trust science and think anything can happen.
Let's look at reality here. You have a body being kept alive by machines. That's it. The person would really be dead, but you're artificially keeping them alive. At what point do you call it quits? Technically, with our science, we can keep someone alive:
1. If their brain is dead
2. If their heart isn't pumping
3. If their liver/kidneys/organs aren't working
I guess technically you could call them "alive", but you're really just keeping cells in their body functioning. The person that you remembered is gone forever, and it's time to let go. The people that want these bodies kept alive are just irrational people whose emotions are blinding out their sense of reason. They want them to come back so bad that they've fooled themselves into thinking that maybe they will if you keep them alive long enough. But they won't. It's time to let go.
Excellent post, and dead-on.
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I don't think he knows what he's talking about. Terri's not being kept alive by machines; she can swallow on her own, breathe on her own, pump blood on her own.
But that's not the point. Even if she had an artificial heart, couldn't swallow, AND IT WAS GUARANTEED THAT HER STATE WOULD NEVER IMPROVE, it's still gives the state no right to sentence her to death. This fight is not based on a false hope of recovery, but compassion for the helpless.
Let this sink in: her parents are not allowed to feed her, even though she is starving.
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
I don't know WHO should make the decision. In my mind, that's the tough decision here and I don't know what should be done.
However, I don't agree with the method of death, and don't think anyone should kid themselves by thinking she won't feel anything.
Makes me want to make a living will however...
I don't agree with it either. I have read on other boards how people are saying we don't starve dogs to death when we want to put them down. I agree. She should be given a lethal dose of a very happy soothing narcotic that will paralyze every muscle in her body and she would pass in matter of minutes. Not days or weeks.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Kremlar
Look at the videos, staged or not. If she is obviously irritated by a swab being put in her mouth, she's going to be a bit more than irritated if she is starved to death. Use your head.
It seems that more are opposed to the way she has to die more than with the fact that her husband can and should be her "voice" and allow her to die.
So if it is the method.... would anyone like to guess why "starving to death" is the method doctors must legally use and whom we have to thank for that "humane" way of dying? Anyone?
I'm opposed to any method of killing her.
She's a living, breathing, vibrant person who is being loved and cared for by her family.
A neurologist who examined her said that she can improve with rehabilitative therapy, which her husband has witheld.
Can someone explain what's to be gained by killing her?