I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
The later I assure you. I feel so stupid sometimes for replying to a robot.
There is no reason, there is only Zool!Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Agreed.Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Wasting all the resources that have been wasted on this one meaningless (oh we are all equally meaningless), woman is just disgusting. The amount of energy expended on this sigle case could have been used to feed, clothe, educate, and employ an army of healthy people.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
So, what have you done for society lately? Cure cancer? Maybe we should off you too, since you're obviously no Stephen Hawking. This kind of criterion does not hold up to logical examination.Originally posted by: ToeJam13
Stephen Hawking is perhaps one of the most brilliant scientists alive. He is a genius in astrophysics and mathematics. He has a motor neuron disease that prevents him from performing any physical activity. Yet he is a scholar, a scientist.
Terri Schiavo is a shell, a living corpse. Her body has had 15 years to recover from her tragedy and its no better now than it was then. She will always be a drain on the rest of mankind. She is alive only in the most technical of sense. She will never benefit society. She will never bear children. She is, for all purposes, dead.
Who should make the decision then? The husband or the parents? That's what the court is attempting to decide, since the patient didn't file the paperwork to declare this on her own.Originally posted by: dentalboy
Govt should not meddling in this issue.
Govt intrusion in basic human rights is happening when govt legislate in the teri shiavo case. we head towards a slippery slope of big brother interfering in everyday life.
hopefully the fed court will come to their senses and take govt out of the decision making for health issue and leave to the individual.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Who should make the decision then? The husband or the parents? That's what the court is attempting to decide, since the patient didn't file the paperwork to declare this on her own.Originally posted by: dentalboy
Govt should not meddling in this issue.
Govt intrusion in basic human rights is happening when govt legislate in the teri shiavo case. we head towards a slippery slope of big brother interfering in everyday life.
hopefully the fed court will come to their senses and take govt out of the decision making for health issue and leave to the individual.
It's an issue because Florida's laws are broken with regard to this issue. If multiple parties could be assigned guardianship and their plans for the patient regarding end-of-life treatment differ, then the court becomes the guardian. This should never be the case.Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Correction, that's what the courts DID decide. Time and time again. For 15 years. In fact, I don't think there's a single court in florida that hasn't heard this case... and possibly a few in georgia for no particular reason. It's been beat to death, and EVERY COURT agrees... why in the world is this even an issue?
Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Wait, wait. notfred has come to the rescue!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1546875
Why reason? Why even bother with the zealotry? Why clutter the front page of P&N? Problem solved
What are you talking about? Only one person has been her legal guardian from the beginning, her husband.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
It's an issue because Florida's laws are broken with regard to this issue. If multiple parties could be assigned guardianship and their plans for the patient regarding end-of-life treatment differ, then the court becomes the guardian. This should never be the case.Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Correction, that's what the courts DID decide. Time and time again. For 15 years. In fact, I don't think there's a single court in florida that hasn't heard this case... and possibly a few in georgia for no particular reason. It's been beat to death, and EVERY COURT agrees... why in the world is this even an issue?
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't know what's more sad: riprorin's rabid zealotry, or the people that think they can actually reason with him.
Wait, wait. notfred has come to the rescue!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1546875
Why reason? Why even bother with the zealotry? Why clutter the front page of P&N? Problem solved
OMG we can finally IGNORE! I am going to install Tylers app tomorrow and give it a test run. For those who don't know what I am going on about check the link. It is a FireFox Extension that allows you to alter many of the board default options.
Yes, you can even ignore post and thread by users you would rather ignore.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So, what have you done for society lately? Cure cancer? Maybe we should off you too, since you're obviously no Stephen Hawking. This kind of criterion does not hold up to logical examination.Originally posted by: ToeJam13
Stephen Hawking is perhaps one of the most brilliant scientists alive. He is a genius in astrophysics and mathematics. He has a motor neuron disease that prevents him from performing any physical activity. Yet he is a scholar, a scientist.
Terri Schiavo is a shell, a living corpse. Her body has had 15 years to recover from her tragedy and its no better now than it was then. She will always be a drain on the rest of mankind. She is alive only in the most technical of sense. She will never benefit society. She will never bear children. She is, for all purposes, dead.
Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's just all these fundamentalist christians. dont get me wrong, im devout Lutheran, a conservative sect of protestent christian, but what bush and some people try to push on this country makes me truly, retchingly sick(it truly makes me wish i hadn't signed up for the Marine reserves with him at the helm). you haven't really known the feeling of this until a sensible person you know well tell you gays are not fit to marry because it's a sin in the bible to be gay, or killing her is playing god. It's just rediculous that people will use the bible as an excuse to further promote their personal goals. i mean, in my eyes, it's no different than those ku klux kaln members or the damn nazis, using god again and again as a excuse for theri horrid acts and theologies. sometimes, people just dont understand church and state dont mix. we only have a freaking law against it after all.
What they dont get is that just cause it's in the bible, dosent mean it's good. there are more types of people than just christians, thas what makes america unique. you have to think of the minorties instead of forcing your ideals on them. they suddenly conviently forget that 1 line of the pledge they are trying to save,
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
nothing says with liberty and justice for non gay, nonminority, fundamentalist christians.
it's that 1% screwing it up for the rest of us.
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Supreme court refuses to hear case: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/04a825.htm
Sweet
Terri Schiavo probably didn't notice, but once again the courts have stepped in to try to stop someone from being kicked around like a football by the two other branches of our federal government.
Early this morning, Judge James Whittemore of the 11th Circuit's Florida Middle District rejected the Bush regime's orchestrated attempt to force-feed both Schiavo and the American public.
Whittemore joins the ranks of judges who have stepped in to try to halt the Bush regime. Yes, the right wing will point out that he was a Clinton appointee. But Utah federal judge Paul Cassell was appointed by Bush himself, and during a Congressional hearing on another person in a vegetative state (Alberto Gonzales), Vermont senator Pat Leahy pointed out that Cassell described a mandatory sentence (the kind of thing the Bush regime insists upon) as "unjust, cruel, and irrational."
It's not only judges like Cassell and Great Britain's Law Lords who are stepping up. There's Judge Gerald Tjoflat, down in Georgia, who wrote in a case involving protesters at the School of the Americas:
We cannot simply suspend or restrict civil liberties until the War on Terror is over, because the War on Terror is unlikely ever to be truly over. September 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country.
Not to mention other federal judges in the Hamdi and Padilla cases. Lots of judges have stepped up, as Anthony Lewis notes in the latest New York Review of Books. Riffing off a new tome on the Pentagon Papers crisis of '71, Lewis writes:
Congress as an institution has hardly exercised its checking power since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. It gave President Bush greatly expanded investigative and prosecutorial authority in the Patriot Act. It has only intermittently challenged the unprecedented secrecy he has imposed on government activity.
That leaves the third branch, the courts. In the context of the "war on terrorism," would they decide a case like the Pentagon Papers the same way today? No one can be sure. But lately there have been signs that judges are unwilling to be cowed by the claims, made since September 11, of unreviewable presidential power. The Supreme Court ruled last year that citizens held without trial as "enemy combatants" must have an opportunity to answer official suspicions, and held that prisoners at Guantánamo Bay may file petitions in federal courts for release on habeas corpus.
Lewis points to yet another judge who stepped up:
The Supreme Court made its decision on citizens held without trial in the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi. Rather than tell him its reasons for holding him and letting him answer, the government sent Hamdi back to his home in Saudi Arabia. Then, the other day, a federal district judge in South Carolina ordered the release of the other American held as an "enemy combatant," Jose Padilla. The judge?Henry F. Floyd, nominated by President Bush in 2003?said: "The court finds that the president has no power, neither express nor implied, neither constitutional nor statutory, to hold petitioner as an enemy combatant."
You can read the Padilla decision for yourself. For a quicker take, consult the invaluable Punch & Jurists Weekly Newsletter:
After reviewing the law and the facts of this case, Judge Floyd ruled that he had no choice but to reject the President?s claim of authority to detain Padilla without charging him with a crime. "To do otherwise would not only offend the rule of law and violate this country's constitutional tradition, but it would also be a betrayal of this Nation's commitment to the separation of powers that safeguards our democratic values and individual liberties."
Lewis, in his NYRB piece?which is particularly incisive about the desperately in need of repair Fourth Estate?says about the Floyd ruling:
It was only a trial judge speaking, and officials immediately said they would appeal. His decision affected one American citizen while mistreatment of prisoners overseas during interrogation, as FBI reports among other things have shown, remains inadequately investigated, much less forbidden. But that a trial judge reached those conclusions, and had the courage to express them, meant something. Perhaps, in the courts, the spirit of the Pentagon Papers lives.
Meanwhile, the spirit continues to move the Bush regime and its allies on the Christian right. In the Schiavo circus, the 11th Circuit judge, Whittemore, has folded the religious right's revival tent. But while Bush and Tom DeLay figure out how to continue their crusade, check out my colleague Jim Ridgeway's shrewd analysis. And go back and read the blogger Digby's Sunday sermon pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush's having signed the Texas Futile Care Law back when he was just a governor, not an emperor.
Digby's rant (thanks to the Daily Kos for publicizing it) is worth repeating?despite the continued "liberal blog" references. It's just plain good perspective, so here's more:
Those of us who read liberal blogs are also aware that Republicans have voted en masse to pull the plug (no pun intended) on medicaid funding that pays for the kind of care that someone like Terri Schiavo and many others who are not so severely brain damaged need all across this country.
Those of us who read liberal blogs also understand that the tort reform that is being contemplated by the Republican congress would preclude malpractice claims like that which has paid for Terri Schiavo's care thus far.
Those of us who read liberal blogs are aware that the bankruptcy bill will make it even more difficult for families who suffer a catastrophic illness like Terry Schiavo's because they will not be able to declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy and get a fresh start when the gargantuan medical bills become overwhelming.
And those of us who read liberal blogs also know that this grandstanding by the congress is a purely political move designed to appease the religious right and that the legal maneuverings being employed would be anathema to any true small government conservative.
Those who don't read liberal blogs, on the other hand, are seeing a spectacle on television in which the news anchors repeatedly say that the congress is "stepping in to save Terri Schiavo" mimicking the unctuous words of Tom DeLay as they grovel and leer at the family and nod sympathetically at the sanctimonious phonies who are using this issue for their political gain.
Originally posted by: Buz2b
Judge Greer refuses to open records requested by the state and the Supreme court turns down the request for an injunction and appeal by parents of Terri.
I think they are out of options now, except to let Terri die with dignity; as should have happened long ago.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Supreme court refuses to hear case: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/04a825.htm
Sweet
Jeb Bush may send in the Florida National Guard and take her.