Terror Free Gas Station

[Whoozyerdaddy]

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Group opens first ?terror-free? gas station


OMAHA (AP) ? Claiming U.S. dollars used to purchase gas made from Middle East oil funds terrorism, a group called the Terror-Free Oil Initiative plans to open the nation?s first ?terror free? gas station in Nebraska.

The Coral Springs, Fla.-based group urges Americans to only buy gas and other oil products that originate from countries that do not support terrorism. Its new station in west Omaha will sell only gas from oil companies that don?t do business in the Middle East.

?We believe that we are financing our own demise by purchasing crude oil from the Middle East,? spokesman Joe Kaufman said. ?We?d like to avert another 9/11 if possible.?

The future site of the Terror-Free Oil station was already emblazoned with signs Monday calling for the use of non-Middle Eastern oil.

Kaufman said the station will open Feb. 1, with a grand opening scheduled for Feb. 12.

The gas sold there will be supplied by Sinclair Oil Corp., he said.

Dalton Kehlbeck, a regional manager for Salt Lake City-based Sinclair, said most of the company?s oil comes from the U.S. or Canada, but some is bought on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

?It?s a basket of crude oil,? he said of the exchange oil. ?We cannot be sure where the conglomeration of the product comes from.?

The same is true of most oil products sold in the United States.

According to the Energy Information Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Energy, oil refineries often mix oil from different sources and companies during refinement and shipping.

The United States imported an average of 2.3 million barrels of oil a day from the Persian Gulf region in 2005, according to the administration. That accounted for about 9 percent of U.S. consumption.

The U.S. Department of Treasury, whose office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence oversees the government?s concerns about terrorism funding, said it would not comment on the prospect of oil money funding terrorists.

Kaufman said the Terror-Free Oil Initiative plans to open more gas stations across the country.

1. The whole thing sounds a little dubious. I'm not sure how they can be sure that the gas they are selling was refined from non-ME oil stock.
2. Will people pay more for "terror free" gas? There's an interesting sociology excercise.
3. It's a great marketing gimmick if nothing else. It might actually work up here as our gas is refined locally from oil off the slope. I doubt you have that kind of exclusion from ME oil in the rest of the US.

 

[techs]

Every gallon of gas drilled gets burned. So whether your oil comes from the Middle East or the Gulf of Mexico it doesn't make one iota of difference.
Buying a more fuel efficient car, on the other hand, can make a difference, if enough people do it.

 

[blackangst1]

eh...Venuzuela isnt a terrorist country? Who knew!

 

[techs]

Hey, if you're a country that sends your agents into other countries to kidnap people you don't like off the street, then secretly fly them to another country that will torture them for you, does that qualify you as a terrorist country?
Just curious.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, if you're a country that sends your agents into other countries to kidnap people you don't like off the street, then secretly fly them to another country that will torture them for you, does that qualify you as a terrorist country?
Just curious.

Not if youre at the top of the apex

 

[Nebben]

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, if you're a country that sends your agents into other countries to kidnap people you don't like off the street, then secretly fly them to another country that will torture them for you, does that qualify you as a terrorist country?
Just curious.

FREEDOM HATER

 

[Lemon law]

Its the damn gas stations themselves that are the terrorists!!!!!!!!!!

When they post those prices its enough to strike total shock and awe terror into me.

The government should do something about those gloating bastards!!!!!!!!

 

[dahunan]

Mother Nature thinks we are all terrorists.. now what?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Mother Nature thinks we are all terrorists.. now what?

you are correct.

cya later loading my shotgun now. Story at 6

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: techs
Every gallon of gas drilled gets burned. So whether your oil comes from the Middle East or the Gulf of Mexico it doesn't make one iota of difference.
Buying a more fuel efficient car, on the other hand, can make a difference, if enough people do it.

Interestingly, conservation is one of the few things we actually have any degree of control over. And yet it took this long for Bush to propose Americans start conserving. (See SotU address this evening) WTF?

 

[boredhokie]

The American way of life is non-negotiable. We can solve our gas problem by growing more corn! That'll be harvested and turned into ethanol, by, um, gas burning factories.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, if you're a country that sends your agents into other countries to kidnap people you don't like off the street, then secretly fly them to another country that will torture them for you, does that qualify you as a terrorist country?
Just curious.

Who does that?

Perhaps, in your little misguided ways, you are referring to the operation know as rendition. That's where the US apprehends known terrorist fugitives who (among other things) have severely violated their home country's laws and decides to send them back to their home country for them to be tried under their jurisdiction, courts and laws.

It's not a kidnap, it's only secret in the sense that we don't advertise hardly anything substantial regarding operational missions in any form, and we don't send them back so they can torture them for us.

If you referring to the dude who gave all sorts of bogus info regarding Iraq 4 years ago, that has been determined to be wrong (like many HUMINT tactics at the time) and if were to happen today, would be illegal by our own statutes.

 

[Lemon law]

As I recall GWB was touting hydrogen technology years ago---and then never fought to get a singe dime of research money allocated.---I file whatever GWB
says under the I am a uniter not a divider department waste basket.

I am from Missouri---I believe it when I see it.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, if you're a country that sends your agents into other countries to kidnap people you don't like off the street, then secretly fly them to another country that will torture them for you, does that qualify you as a terrorist country?
Just curious.

Who does that?

Perhaps, in your little misguided ways, you are referring to the operation know as rendition. That's where the US apprehends known terrorist fugitives who (among other things) have severely violated their home country's laws and decides to send them back to their home country for them to be tried under their jurisdiction, courts and laws.

It's not a kidnap, it's only secret in the sense that we don't advertise hardly anything substantial regarding operational missions in any form, and we don't send them back so they can torture them for us.

If you referring to the dude who gave all sorts of bogus info regarding Iraq 4 years ago, that has been determined to be wrong (like many HUMINT tactics at the time) and if were to happen today, would be illegal by our own statutes.

How about Khaled el-Masri:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr511332006

Khaled el-Masri, a 43-year-old German of Lebanese origin, was arrested and unlawfully detained while on a trip to Macedonia in December 2003. He was initially detained and interrogated by Macedonian officials for 23 days, then handed to US agents and secretly flown via Iraq to Afghanistan as part of the US programme of "rendition".(1) He was held in a US-run prison in Afghanistan for five months, during which time he was allegedly ill-treated and half-starved.

He was then flown to an as yet unidentified location in the Balkans, and driven to the Albanian border, after the US authorities apparently realized they had the wrong man. The Albanian authorities then arranged his flight back to Germany.

In December 2005 the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a complaint in the USA to seek remedy for Khaled el-Masri. The case was dismissed in May 2006 on grounds of state secrecy. The ACLU and Khaled el-Masri continue to pursue their complaint, including filing an appeal against this decision on 25 July 2006.

Please state each and every law this man "severely violated".

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

How about Khaled el-Masri:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr511332006

Khaled el-Masri, a 43-year-old German of Lebanese origin, was arrested and unlawfully detained while on a trip to Macedonia in December 2003. He was initially detained and interrogated by Macedonian officials for 23 days, then handed to US agents and secretly flown via Iraq to Afghanistan as part of the US programme of "rendition".(1) He was held in a US-run prison in Afghanistan for five months, during which time he was allegedly ill-treated and half-starved.

He was then flown to an as yet unidentified location in the Balkans, and driven to the Albanian border, after the US authorities apparently realized they had the wrong man. The Albanian authorities then arranged his flight back to Germany.

In December 2005 the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a complaint in the USA to seek remedy for Khaled el-Masri. The case was dismissed in May 2006 on grounds of state secrecy. The ACLU and Khaled el-Masri continue to pursue their complaint, including filing an appeal against this decision on 25 July 2006.

Please state each and every law this man "severely violated".

Holy crap, a self-admitted case of mistaken identity. We must be terrorists!

Sounds like he has a legitimate grievance and deserves some sort of remedy indeed.

 

[LegendKiller]

Oil is a global market. By simply buying any oil at all you are propping up the price of those "terrorists" who sell it. Simple way of not helping them? Don't use any oil at all, world prices will crash and terrorists will be looking for money elsewhere.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
eh...Venuzuela isnt a terrorist country? Who knew!

When was the last time the Venezuelan government committed terrorism, other than economic terrorism to fat cat investors?

 

[Jeff7]

1.) I guess if they buy exclusively from refineries that are supplied by offshore rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, or from fields in Alaska, maybe.

2.) People pay more for organic food. If there is some perception of higher value, people will pay more.