terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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Capt Caveman

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Actually you will find much support on these very boards for letting in immigrants and refugees from backward and repressive Islamic countries. I certainly don't understand it.

When the killer is an US citizen, how does this matter?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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Identity is everything. The terrorist's foreign identity lead him to the slaughter of Americans. ...
Reckless speculation. It might be related to his supposed "foreign identity." It's also possible he was just your run-of-the-mill homophobic bigot, much like some of the people here. There is a preliminary report that someone talked to the killer's father. He said the only reason he could think of was his son was enraged at seeing two men kissing in public a few weeks ago. We'll have to wait to be sure.
 
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Reckless speculation. It might be related to his supposed "foreign identity." It's also possible he was just your run-of-the-mill homophobic bigot, much like some of the people here. There is a preliminary report that someone talked to the killer's father. He said the only reason he could think of was his son was enraged at seeing two men kissing in public a few weeks ago. We'll have to wait to be sure.

There's no really great mystery to this guy's motives any more than the Colorado PP shooter or the SC church shooter.
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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It's really outrageous.

So how does 2nd amendment that Trump vigorously supports help in this situation?

Picture yourself in that nightclub. Do you want a solution on your hip, or do you want to be a helpless lamb to the slaughter? The feeling of fighting back, of defending one self, is the source of support for the 2nd amendment.
 

flexy

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Actually you will find much support on these very boards for letting in immigrants and refugees from backward and repressive Islamic countries. I certainly don't understand it.

It does, FROM A CERTAIN PoV, not matter whether this guy was Islamist, or Christian or whatever.

It does not matter whether he was an Islamist because no measure, no "banning of Muslims entering the country", no "bombing of ISIS" or not letting in refugees into the country can prevent that someone is a nutter, whether Islamist or nutter Christian, shooting up innocent people, for whatever reason.

Even TEN Trumps as president could not have prevented someone born in the US, becoming Muslim...and go on a killing/hate spree....and it does in-fact MATTER ZERO whether someone "supports letting in immigrants" or not.

In-fact, if anything, this should show to you and anyone else how pointless it would be for preventing terrorism to "not support letting in Muslims"..it would have done SHIT in this case....in the same way as your wall would do SHIT to bring back jobs.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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It does, FROM A CERTAIN PoV, not matter whether this guy was Islamist, or Christian or whatever.

It does not matter whether he was an Islamist because no measure, no "banning of Muslims entering the country", no "bombing of ISIS" or not letting in refugees into the country can prevent that someone is a nutter, whether Islamist or nutter Christian, shooting up innocent people, for whatever reason.

100 refugees a day.

How many will teach their children to associate with Islam, and the likes of ISIS? The number matters.
We'll be seeing the consequences of that written in the blood of their victims for decades to come.
 

CaptainGoodnight

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Yeah, his is clearly the 2A working as intended. Yay freedom.

And prevented terrorists attacks in France too!

As I posted before:

I think we're seeing something similar that happened with the Left after 9/11.

The Left became enraged after 9/11 because it's worldview was repudiated and its influence was diminished. "You're all stupid and racists" because their wooby -- their way of assuaging themselves after a diminishment of influence and power.

They began throwing venom at the rest of the country for not having the wisdom to appreciate their wisdom.
 

bshole

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It does, FROM A CERTAIN PoV, not matter whether this guy was Islamist, or Christian or whatever.

It does not matter whether he was an Islamist because no measure, no "banning of Muslims entering the country", no "bombing of ISIS" or not letting in refugees into the country can prevent that someone is a nutter, whether Islamist or nutter Christian, shooting up innocent people, for whatever reason.

Even TEN Trumps as president could not have prevented someone born in the US, becoming Muslim...and go on a killing/hate spree....and it does in-fact MATTER ZERO whether someone "supports letting in immigrants" or not.

In-fact, if anything, this should show to you and anyone else how pointless it would be for preventing terrorism to "not support letting in Muslims"..it would have done SHIT in this case....in the same way as your wall would do SHIT to bring back jobs.

His parents were Muslim immigrants from Afghanistan. They brought their culture with them and indoctrinated their son. They did not adopt Western secularism, they held on to a hateful culture that oppresses women and hates gays. Can you think of one other immigrant group that REGULARLY involves itself in terrorism in America?
 
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And prevented terrorists attacks in France too!

As I posted before:

I think we're seeing something similar that happened with the Left after 9/11.

The Left became enraged after 9/11 because it's worldview was repudiated and its influence was diminished. "You're all stupid and racists" because their wooby -- their way of assuaging themselves after a diminishment of influence and power.

They began throwing venom at the rest of the country for not having the wisdom to appreciate their wisdom.

Yeah, it's been the left who's become enraged and spewing venom since 9/11.
 

brycejones

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His parents were Muslim immigrants from Afghanistan. They brought their culture with them and indoctrinated their son. They did not adopt Western secularism, they held on to a hateful culture that oppresses women and hates gays. Can you think of one other immigrant group that REGULARLY involves itself in terrorism in America?
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Nothing like waiting for actual info before going off the deep end
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
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His parents were Muslim immigrants from Afghanistan. They brought their culture with them and indoctrinated their son. They did not adopt Western secularism, they held on to a hateful culture that oppresses women and hates gays. Can you think of one other immigrant group that REGULARLY involves itself in terrorism in America?
You realize the only fact in your rant is that the killer's parents are from Afghanistan. You pulled the rest straight out of your ass.
 

swamplizard

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Greetings,

Until evidence provides otherwise, I consider this as an act of a lone predator gunning down innocents because of bigotry.
 
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And then people are surprised why Trump was nominated. The left has only themselves to blame for Trump.

that's one hellava spin there, now tell me, how did the left vote for drumpf during the primaries? did they switch parties and vote for the great orange one, or was it the years, and years and years of vitriol spewed by palin, bachmann, perry, huckabee, malkin, et al that pushed the repubs to get their drumpf on?
 
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