terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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LegendKiller

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To help you understand where you're going wrong, let's explain what's behind a phrase in your sig: #AllLivesMatter.

This is a reply to "Black Lives Matters", which is actually a shortened version of "black lives also matter". To illustrate, if police routinely mistreat white folks, something would be done about it. It's unfortunate they shortened it to be a bit more catchy, because many american are unable to figure something like that out.

In short, you're technically agreeing with BLM, that all lives including black ones matter. However, to head this off at the pass, this isn't informed discussion where figuring things out matter, but rather politics where bigots only get mouthy after things are pointed out to them.

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To add a bit about your post: you're essentially arguing that gays should start discriminating against or otherwise hating on muslims. I would think that people who've been discriminated against their entire lives would introspect on the folly of this, unlike folks for whom bigotry comes easy.

So there was this shooting in Webster MN. A black guy came into a house party in the country and shot a bunch of people.

Nobody is helping the cops to any meaningful extent. They got a sketch (who knows if that's even correct) but no other info.

Snitches get stitches.
 

Artdeco

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Mar 14, 2015
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Do you have polling to back up your radical majority? Or some kind of data? The data covered a few pages back said that the vast majority think violence is no good. So how do you determine their level of radicality?

I see jacklass already covered it, refer me to some polls or data that prove Pew et all wrong.

The thing that bothers me about your response is that I posted something I could back up with data, and you respond from what, feelings?

The other thing is, personally, if I held such attitudes, I'd never admit them in a survey, ever. These are folks so convinced of their beliefs on terrible behaviors, they're professing them to strangers or an anonymous poll. What do you suppose the real numbers are?
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Ah, so the polling is false. That's a fun place to start from.

What's weird is that I got my info from the same Pew polling data.

The vast majority of Muslims abhor violence.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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Well, here is the direct Pew link... so no, not feelings:
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

And you seem to be the one appealing to emotion, quaking with fear of Sharia law, like it's actually going to supplant the constitution. Irrational just scratches the surface.


Also, remember when you quote the opening to the research to quote all of it, so people get the full context, not the propaganda you're pushing.

And again, here's what I have from it:
"Extremism Widely Rejected

Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies."

Sure sounds like there is a majority to fear all right...
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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Did you know that gays/lesbians and those who suffer from SID don't have any protections under Title VII or any of its amendments like other control groups? Even if you don't agree with their lifestyle they should be afforded the very same protections as any other citizen. Seems to me that our Constitution declares that all men are equal yet we continue to demonstrate bias and discriminate against members of our own society.
 

Artdeco

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Your reference says 25% of Muslims support terrorist bombings.

25% are willing to publicly support suicide bombers.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Well, here is the direct Pew link... so no, not feelings:
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

And you seem to be the one appealing to emotion, quaking with fear of Sharia law, like it's actually going to supplant the constitution. Irrational just scratches the surface.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
Conversely, in some countries where Muslims make up more than 90% of the population, relatively few want their government to codify Islamic law; this is the case in Tajikistan (27%), Turkey (12%)and Azerbaijan (8%).
Interesting link you gave us, considering Turkey recently held elections for a party hell bent on replacing their constitution with Islamic law. And pew didn't see that coming? The discrepancy makes one wonder if they're trying to make things look better than they really are.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
Conversely, in some countries where Muslims make up more than 90% of the population, relatively few want their government to codify Islamic law; this is the case in Tajikistan (27%), Turkey (12%)and Azerbaijan (8%).
Interesting link you gave us, considering Turkey recently held elections for a party hell bent on replacing their constitution with Islamic law. And pew didn't see that coming? The discrepancy makes one wonder if they're trying to make things look better than they really are.

realibrad originally provided the link a few pages back. Since apparently people overlooked it when he brought it up.
 

Artdeco

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realibrad originally provided the link a few pages back. Since apparently people overlooked it when he brought it up.

So, to recap, you want to cherry pick from the data, and you feel that 25% of Muslims publicly supporting suicide bombing is acceptable?
 

buckshot24

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Even if the number is 10% that is a huge number of radicals to worry about. 160 million Muslims
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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So, to recap, you want to cherry pick from the data, and you feel that 25% of Muslims publicly supporting suicide bombing is acceptable?

Well, I'm not in the mind control business, so what choice do we have other than to accept it?

What would you prefer to do to those 25%?


But thanks for saying I'm cherry-picking. I just drew attention to what seemed relevant to the discussion. Strangely... not unlike what others have done. I didn't realize it was so taboo.
 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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To help you understand where you're going wrong, let's explain what's behind a phrase in your sig: #AllLivesMatter.

This is a reply to "Black Lives Matters", which is actually a shortened version of "black lives also matter". To illustrate, if police routinely mistreat white folks, something would be done about it. It's unfortunate they shortened it to be a bit more catchy, because many american are unable to figure something like that out.

In short, you're technically agreeing with BLM, that all lives including black ones matter. However, to head this off at the pass, this isn't informed discussion where figuring things out matter, but rather politics where bigots only get mouthy after things are pointed out to them.

===

To add a bit about your post: you're essentially arguing that gays should start discriminating against or otherwise hating on muslims. I would think that people who've been discriminated against their entire lives would introspect on the folly of this, unlike folks for whom bigotry comes easy.

They shortened it because BLM looked better then BLAM.
 

Artdeco

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And here we go. Let's all worry and see how that works out.

I'll buy you a plane ticket to Orlando, you can crash the victims funerals and explain how you feel.

There was something that just kept nagging me, I guess the government really deserves a free pass, but they hold the record on mass murder on our shores. I grew up near there BTW. That's what happens when the government disarms people, those Lakota deserved to die, because reasons.

 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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I'll buy you a plane ticket to Orlando, you can crash the victims funerals and explain how you feel.

There was something that just kept nagging me, I guess the government really deserves a free pass, but they hold the record on mass murder on our shores. I grew up near there BTW. That's what happens when the government disarms people, those Lakota deserved to die, because reasons.

http://www.savagesandscoundrels.org/media/2659/Wounded knee - mass grave.jpg

You didn't explain what you response is to the 25%.

And I would have no problem telling the victims' families that fear and vengeance are not a reasoned or righteous response to such a tragedy.

What else you got?
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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The fact of the matter is there are a lot of radicals out there. If you want to act like it isn't a problem, go ahead.

How does one act like it is a problem? What are the actions that are required of this information?

Diplomacy? War? What?

Fear isn't an action.
 

MajinCry

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Jul 28, 2015
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People die when the Government takes away their arms? That ain't what happened there, matey.

The Native Americans are just considered subhumans, by Americans. Genocide, sex slavery, murder, rape, slaughter, the Natives suffered all that. Hell, those child rape dungeons, known as reservation schools, only ended in the late 90s.

Guns or no guns, ya lads want 'em purged. Otherwise, y'know, there'd be actual efforts to make reparations for all that shit, as well as giving them access to first world society, rather than ensuring they've no hospitals and that their water is poisoned.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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So there was this shooting in Webster MN. A black guy came into a house party in the country and shot a bunch of people.

Nobody is helping the cops to any meaningful extent. They got a sketch (who knows if that's even correct) but no other info.

Snitches get stitches.

At this point you're not even trying to make sense, which is might as well since what came before was completely ineffective anyway.



#BlackLivesAlsoMatter


All you need is for everyone else now to agree with you, and you'd be right! Unfortunately the problem exactly is too many people are unable to figure something like that out.

The explanation is meant to benefit people who think BlackLivesMatter means OnlyBlackLivesMatter, probably because that's what they think about the white race.
 

buckshot24

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Nov 3, 2009
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How does one act like it is a problem? What are the actions that are required of this information?

Diplomacy? War? What?

Fear isn't an action.
First, we don't act like a huge number of Muslims aren't radical when trying to figure out what to do. I'm only pointing out facts, not promoting any sort of solution. It seems people can't agree on facts in this place.
 
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