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LegendKiller

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At this point you're not even trying to make sense, which is might as well since what came before was completely ineffective anyway.





The explanation is meant to benefit people who think BlackLivesMatter means OnlyBlackLivesMatter, probably because that's what they think about the white race.
It isn't white people's fault that 70% of black babies are born to single mothers. White people don't force them to have babies. Period.

Black lives only matter when they can point to exogenous variables for blame, otherwise they don't matter.

Besides, what has the first black president done to fix any problems of the black people? He hasn't done anything except import more low skilled,low wage, low education voters by the hundreds of thousands, the same people which take jobs that black people could take to build a thriving middle class and move up the socio-economic ladder. Or how about destroy the manufacturing class through tpp? How about touting higher education rather than skills and holding black parents accountable for a lack of parental engagement in grade school?

how about talking about how much of a punk that Trayvon was and saying how black parents could do better. Instead, just push it off to race baiters and hucksters.

That's why blm is hypocritical, short sighted, and will ultimately fail.
 

cubby1223

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The explanation is meant to benefit people who think BlackLivesMatter means OnlyBlackLivesMatter, probably because that's what they think about the white race.

The ignorance in your own post highlights why the chances of people coming together is slim.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
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Thank goodness someone is watching out for Jihad. And lucky for us your polling is correct... or is it?

Thank goodness they cited a bunch of random anecdotes as additional "data".

LOL Jihadwatch...

Anyhow, just got back from eating dinner at a nice Middle Eastern restaurant in Dearborn, seated by and waited on by short sleeve, skirt wearing Muslim teenagers of course wearing no hijabs. Like most teenage Muslim girls. They have completely Americanized.

Every single female Middle Eastern diner in the restaurant were very nicely dressed all the same, exposed arms, legs, hair...

Yes you can still find women wearing full dress and hijabs... but that is a low percentage. Most assimilate in stages wearing jeans, tee-shirts, tennis shoes and leaving the hijab on.

Our majority Muslim city council has still oddly not enacted any shira laws yet. I've never heard one clamoring for it either. Imagine that. This is the highest concentration of Muslims in America. Been living, working, playing sports alongside them for 40+ years. This isn't England or France...
 

jackstar7

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First, we don't act like a huge number of Muslims aren't radical when trying to figure out what to do. I'm only pointing out facts, not promoting any sort of solution. It seems people can't agree on facts in this place.

Perhaps you can explain the value in working out the facts when there are no solutions that follow. Can I request some now? What are your solutions?

You might note that I didn't dispute the 25% number at all. I just asked what follows from that information. I basically got blank stares from you two.
 
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agent00f

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It isn't white people's fault that 70% of black babies are born to single mothers. White people don't force them to have babies. Period.

Black lives only matter when they can point to exogenous variables for blame, otherwise they don't matter.

Besides, what has the first black president done to fix any problems of the black people? He hasn't done anything except import more low skilled,low wage, low education voters by the hundreds of thousands, the same people which take jobs that black people could take to build a thriving middle class and move up the socio-economic ladder. Or how about destroy the manufacturing class through tpp? How about touting higher education rather than skills and holding black parents accountable for a lack of parental engagement in grade school?

how about talking about how much of a punk that Trayvon was and saying how black parents could do better. Instead, just push it off to race baiters and hucksters.

That's why blm is hypocritical, short sighted, and will ultimately fail.

There was an attempt to speed up racial economic integration after the end of segregation fittingly call affirmative action. Recall that the proponents of segregation & such were vehemently against all that and continue to be to this day.

Most of these people will be dead soon anyway and only remembered for being on the wrong side of history.

The ignorance in your own post highlights why the chances of people coming together is slim.

Note not all white people are on your side. As mentioned there is a significant generational gap.

To generalize, most of these people fearful of muslim terror attacks or whatever largely have never known any muslims/minorities; it's a rather literal ignorance. They're fed this irrational fear from their AM talk show host or equivalent, and simply don't know any better to tell what's real or not.
 

agent00f

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So, to recap, you want to cherry pick from the data, and you feel that 25% of Muslims publicly supporting suicide bombing is acceptable?

As mentioned above, a simple count of christians/americans killing muslims vs. the opposite clearly shows who is more violent by far. This isn't some polling hypothetical, but recorded real world differences in orders of magnitude.
 

LegendKiller

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There was an attempt to speed up racial economic integration after the end of segregation fittingly call affirmative action. Recall that the proponents of segregation & such were vehemently against all that and continue to be to this day.

Most of these people will be dead soon anyway and only remembered for being on the wrong side of history.



Note not all white people are on your side. As mentioned there is a significant generational gap.

To generalize, most of these people fearful of muslim terror attacks or whatever largely have never known any muslims/minorities; it's a rather literal ignorance. They're fed this irrational fear from their AM talk show host or equivalent, and simply don't know any better to tell what's real or not.

And what has that done? Fuck all. Unemployment among young black men is horrible. 70% born to unwed mothers, which is a huge indication of future success. High school dropout rates are terrible. Now we have policies in public schools that won't even let teachers discipline them. Inner city schools are facing more violence inside the school, teachers are getting assaulted, some permanently injured, one recently has severe brain damage from a kid who hit them. This is the new policy, if you don't punish minority kids, they can stay in school and learn. Except they don't learn. Because the parents (or lack thereof) don't tell them to, don't instill it from day 1.

Reforms can't be top down, they must be bottom up. The community must take ownership of their failures and drive change. Unfortunately, they just drive scapegoating and exogenous variables for everything. There isn't a single other minority in this country that does what they do and it shows.

A lack of responsibility breeds complacency and dependency. This is what the left wants. They don't want independent voters, they want ones 100% dependent on the State.
 

cubby1223

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Note not all white people are on your side.
Not all white people are alike. Thank you, Captain Obvious, for admitting something we all know

Now you just have to come full circle and admit that not all people of other skin colors are alike, and sometimes it is all about "Only My Lives Matter" from the non-white side too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9pHidD8sc

It's called progress, and there is still hope for you yet. Slim hope, but hope none-the-less.
 
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jackstar7

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And what has that done? Fuck all. Unemployment among young black men is horrible. 70% born to unwed mothers, which is a huge indication of future success. High school dropout rates are terrible. Now we have policies in public schools that won't even let teachers discipline them. Inner city schools are facing more violence inside the school, teachers are getting assaulted, some permanently injured, one recently has severe brain damage from a kid who hit them. This is the new policy, if you don't punish minority kids, they can stay in school and learn. Except they don't learn. Because the parents (or lack thereof) don't tell them to, don't instill it from day 1.

Reforms can't be top down, they must be bottom up. The community must take ownership of their failures and drive change. Unfortunately, they just drive scapegoating and exogenous variables for everything. There isn't a single other minority in this country that does what they do and it shows.

A lack of responsibility breeds complacency and dependency. This is what the left wants. They don't want independent voters, they want ones 100% dependent on the State.

A finer ivory tower I have rarely seen.
 

TheGardener

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Note not all white people are on your side. As mentioned there is a significant generational gap. To generalize, most of these people fearful of muslim terror attacks or whatever largely have never known any muslims/minorities; it's a rather literal ignorance. They're fed this irrational fear from their AM talk show host or equivalent, and simply don't know any better to tell what's real or not.
Speaking of citations, where are yours?
 

agent00f

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And what has that done? Fuck all. Unemployment among young black men is horrible. 70% born to unwed mothers, which is a huge indication of future success. High school dropout rates are terrible. Now we have policies in public schools that won't even let teachers discipline them. Inner city schools are facing more violence inside the school, teachers are getting assaulted, some permanently injured, one recently has severe brain damage from a kid who hit them. This is the new policy, if you don't punish minority kids, they can stay in school and learn. Except they don't learn. Because the parents (or lack thereof) don't tell them to, don't instill it from day 1.

Reforms can't be top down, they must be bottom up. The community must take ownership of their failures and drive change. Unfortunately, they just drive scapegoating and exogenous variables for everything. There isn't a single other minority in this country that does what they do and it shows.

A lack of responsibility breeds complacency and dependency. This is what the left wants. They don't want independent voters, they want ones 100% dependent on the State.

I realize you don't know any black people either, but a much higher % (esp black women) are getting college education and subsequently respectable jobs compared to the 50's. Unfortunately forced integration has driven white flight, and schools & other public services are still often effectively segregated along property tax boundaries. The police crackdown on minorities masquerading as war on drugs has also effectively rendered much of the young black male pop unemployable & broken family structure. But it has effectively retained the permanent underclass which is seemingly its purpose; the blatant racism displayed here is its equal partner in crime.

Reforms are very much often effectively driven from the top down, or otherwise conservatives wouldn't be whining so much about socialist this or that ruining society. Or supporting failed top-down policy like the police war.

In terms of votes, a permanent minority underclass benefits poorer whites, who increasing reliably vote GOP in red welfare counties. In contrast it's the relatively wealthy areas which are reliably blue.
 

flexy

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Even the NRA has more common sense than mega-idiot Donald Trump.

According to Trump it would be a good idea if people in establishments like clubs and bars would carry....because, you know, alcohol and guns go together very well. NRA pointed out the idiocy of this.

I am seriously starting to wonder whether Trump can form one single sentence which does NOT make him look like the biggest idiot on this planet. I haven't seen evidence for this, yet...
 

Artdeco

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Even the NRA has more common sense than mega-idiot Donald Trump.

According to Trump it would be a good idea if people in establishments like clubs and bars would carry....because, you know, alcohol and guns go together very well. NRA pointed out the idiocy of this.

I am seriously starting to wonder whether Trump can form one single sentence which does NOT make him look like the biggest idiot on this planet. I haven't seen evidence for this, yet...

Colorado doesn't prohibit concealed carry in a bar, it's not been a problem that I'm aware of. Of course I wouldn't drink and carry, but if I'm the designated driver, I'm not drinking anyway.
 

agent00f

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Not all white people are alike. Thank you, Captain Obvious, for admitting something we all know

Now you just have to come full circle and admit that not all people of other skin colors are alike, and sometimes it is all about "Only My Lives Matter" from the non-white side too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9pHidD8sc

It's called progress, and there is still hope for you yet. Slim hope, but hope none-the-less.

The point is close to 40% of white people don't support that sort of casual gop bigotry, and trump is going to lose unless he can pull close to 70% of the white vote. The country is going to become majority minority soon, and this might well be the last hurrah for the kind of american conservatism we've seen since the realignment post-segregation.

As for some black people being selfish, it's not a surprise that someone like yourself would generalize that to all black people.

Speaking of citations, where are yours?

It's relatively easy to google for the generational gap in politics, it's not something anyone dispute so you might be the first. It's not a coincidence that GOP regulars are getting into their 70's, with only the gubmint medicare keeping them alive. Or someone popular with the youths like Sanders can only be a democrat.
 

IGBT

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Even if the number is 10% that is a huge number of radicals to worry about. 160 million Muslims



also explains why the obama always sounds like a defense lawyer twisting in the wind when talking about Islamic terrorist events. He's subconsciously defending his Islamic clients.
 

brycejones

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also explains why the obama always sounds like a defense lawyer twisting in the wind when talking about Islamic terrorist events. He's subconsciously defending his Islamic clients.
As much as he has bombed Islamic countries he really sucks at defending them.
 

LegendKiller

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I realize you don't know any black people either, but a much higher % (esp black women) are getting college education and subsequently respectable jobs compared to the 50's. Unfortunately forced integration has driven white flight, and schools & other public services are still often effectively segregated along property tax boundaries. The police crackdown on minorities masquerading as war on drugs has also effectively rendered much of the young black male pop unemployable & broken family structure. But it has effectively retained the permanent underclass which is seemingly its purpose; the blatant racism displayed here is its equal partner in crime.

Reforms are very much often effectively driven from the top down, or otherwise conservatives wouldn't be whining so much about socialist this or that ruining society. Or supporting failed top-down policy like the police war.

In terms of votes, a permanent minority underclass benefits poorer whites, who increasing reliably vote GOP in red welfare counties. In contrast it's the relatively wealthy areas which are reliably blue.

What % is that? And what happens when they get educated and raise up? Do you think they go back to the 'hood and hang with gang bangers? Hardly, they move up and out.


Please, the police crackdown with the war on drugs was nothing more than enforcing reasonable laws. Nobody wants to be around them because they refuse to be accountable for their actions. Blaming white people for it won't get them anywhere until they can fix their own shit.

The relatively blue affluent areas are nothing but bi-coastal fuckwits who want nothing more than to pay off minorities so that they don't riot and take what the .01% has siphoned off from the country through offshoring and immigrating millions illegally to boost profits further. It's a game which the black *AND* white people have been played for fools. Name a single liberal, except for a socialist, like Sanders, which has utterly rejected TPP? Did the Great Black Hope, Obama, reject it? Fuck no, he ramrodded that shit through. Has he stopped importing cheap, uneducated, poor, wage sucking labor? Fuck no, he ramrods it through. Did Hillary reject TPP? Fuck no, it was perfect to her and NAFTA was perfect to her Husband.

Face it, your liberal leaders are nothing more than race baiting hucksters beholden to the .01%. Your enemy isn't the average white person, it's the average .01% that feasts on the carcass of the middle class. Your enemy is my enemy and the *LAST* person who'll fight the common enemy is Hillary, because she *IS* the enemy. The quicker you get that shit through your skull the quicker you can fix minority suffering from a lack of real jobs and opportunity.
 
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