terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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HomerJS

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And so much delusion from the left.

The father has stated he became enraged when he saw 2 males kissing on the street.

No Muslim ban would have had any effect on this case. The parents are from Afghanistan but do not have a history of radical behavior as we know now.

This is looking more like a case of radical conservatism vs radical Islam
 
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You mean Reagan? He was a 29 year old, born here to Afghan refugee parents, you do the math.

Yep, first and second generation muslims are assimilating so well, we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign born and raised muslims to follow this success.
 

michal1980

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The father has stated he became enraged when he saw 2 males kissing on the street.

No Muslim ban would have had any effect on this case. The parents are from Afghanistan but do not have a history of radical behavior as we know now.

This is looking more like a case of radical conservatism vs radical Islam

And the spinning from the left starts.

FYI Islam has very 'conservative' religion.
 

Artdeco

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The father has stated he became enraged when he saw 2 males kissing on the street.

No Muslim ban would have had any effect on this case. The parents are from Afghanistan but do not have a history of radical behavior as we know now.

This is looking more like a case of radical conservatism vs radical Islam

Who in their right mind talks to the press less than 24 hours after their son has become a mass murderer and was killed? Something's wrong here.
 

Vic

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Here we go again. A horrific incident of violence is being used to justify why we should give up essential rights.
 

Jaskalas

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Who in their right mind talks to the press less than 24 hours after their son has become a mass murderer and was killed? Something's wrong here.

It'd be notable if he condemned his son for his actions.
But I'd like to know where his son got his identity from? If not his parents, then who in the Muslim community is still at large after setting the killer on his path?
 
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CBS News says there are at least over 40 wounded people at the hospitals and a lot of them are in critical. The damage number could go up higher. Stay tuned.

And we have people here try to blame on guns already. Repeat after me. Guns are not the problems. Idiots/haters/crazies/<fill in the blank> are the problems.

And thank goodness no actions will be taken to limit those people's access to guns after this event, which would be the real tragedy.
 

mxnerd

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lets ban Islam, the only ones that benefit are terrorists and politicians.

lets just ban whatever mxnerd doesn't like.

Just compare UK & US deaths caused by gun violence each year.

No person can kill over 20 - 50 people in a few minutes without guns, with any religion.
 

HomerJS

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Who in their right mind talks to the press less than 24 hours after their son has become a mass murderer and was killed? Something's wrong here.

Press contacted him. His first response was to apologize for what his son did. He probably felt he owed it to the public.

It helps tamp down the predictable reactions from people like Trump surrogate Jeff Sessions who this morning jumped to the conclusion it was radical Islam before we know the underlying cause.
 

FrankRamiro

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And prevented terrorists attacks in France too!

As I posted before:

I think we're seeing something similar that happened with the Left after 9/11.

The Left became enraged after 9/11 because it's worldview was repudiated and its influence was diminished. "You're all stupid and racists" because their wooby -- their way of assuaging themselves after a diminishment of influence and power.

They began throwing venom at the rest of the country for not having the wisdom to appreciate their wisdom.

In France those terror attacks were the result of libertarians politicians and poor policy on Muslims and terrorism, letting Muslims taking over parts of Paris,making these neighborhoods Muslims ghettos,where there use to live hundreds of other races,that were obligated to flee cause they were afraid of those Muslims.
 

bshole

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Haha look at the source. I've know 4 practicing Muslims in my life. I can't say one would say yes to this.

Yea the source isn't that good. I would say Pew would be much more trustworthy. About half of the American muslim population is ok with gays according to Pew. The muslims that are problematic are recent immigrants or the children of recent immigrants from broken Islamic societies. This isn't rocket science. Research the source of all Islamic attacks in America. The source is ALWAYS the same WITHOUT A SINGLE FUCKING EXCEPTION. How people can look at the OBJECTIVE measurable data and tell us that Muslim immigrants from broken societies are not the problem is baffling. Just outright baffling.
 

sandorski

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CBS News says there are at least over 40 wounded people at the hospitals and a lot of them are in critical. The damage number could go up higher. Stay tuned.

And we have people here try to blame on guns already. Repeat after me. Guns are not the problems. Idiots/haters/crazies/<fill in the blank> are the problems.

Guns are a huge part of the problem. This guy couldn't have done what he did without at least 1.
 
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Here we go again. A horrific incident of violence is being used to justify why we should give up essential rights.

You meant the right to bear arms? I agree, that one tends to take a verbal beating from leftists after incidents like this.
 

flexy

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Gun man's Father
&#8220;We were in Downtown Miami, Bayside, people were playing music,&#8221; Seddique said. &#8220;And he saw two men kissing each other in front of his wife and kid and he got very angry. They were kissing each other and touching each other and he said, &#8216;Look at that. In front of my son they are doing that.&#8217; And they we were in the men&#8217;s bathroom and men were kissing each other.&#8217;&#8221;

When you're so fucked up in the head you think mass-killing 50 innocents is "moral" but two kissing men is not...
 

Vic

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The left doesn't marginalize Islam, it continually defends it.
The left defends the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
These incidents always bring up the same 2 opposing but equally ineffective arguments. The left will argue that giving up our 2nd amendment rights will make us safe (it won't), and the right will argue that giving up our 1st amendment rights will make us safe (which won't either).
The left's argument is simply impossible. Guns aren't going away. The right's argument is disingenuous because they wrongly assume that infringing on the religious freedoms of Muslims won't affect their own religious freedoms as Christians (mob mentality in action there).
The worst part IMO is that everyone will put their own political agenda ahead of the victims.
 

bshole

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The left defends the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
These incidents always bring up the same 2 opposing but equally ineffective arguments. The left will argue that giving up our 2nd amendment rights will make us safe (it won't), and the right will argue that giving up our 1st amendment rights will make us safe (which won't either).
The left's argument is simply impossible. Guns aren't going away. The right's argument is disingenuous because they wrongly assume that infringing on the religious freedoms of Muslims won't affect their own religious freedoms as Christians (mob mentality in action there).
The worst part IMO is that everyone will put their own political agenda ahead of the victims.

The rational argument is why would we allow in a demographic that is harmful to Western secularism? We as Americans have control of that. Why would you argue against it?
 

Vic

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You meant the right to bear arms? I agree, that one tends to take a verbal beating from leftists after incidents like this.
As does the right to freedom of religion and belief. That one as well always takes a verbal beating from righties after incidents like this.
 
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