terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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JSt0rm

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The left defends the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
These incidents always bring up the same 2 opposing but equally ineffective arguments. The left will argue that giving up our 2nd amendment rights will make us safe (it won't), and the right will argue that giving up our 1st amendment rights will make us safe (which won't either).
The left's argument is simply impossible. Guns aren't going away. The right's argument is disingenuous because they wrongly assume that infringing on the religious freedoms of Muslims won't affect their own religious freedoms as Christians (mob mentality in action there).
The worst part IMO is that everyone will put their own political agenda ahead of the victims.


Nobody on the left with any sense thinks we can get rid of guns. What we can do is get some sensible laws on the books that MAY help under certain circumstances. But the gun nutters think its a slippery slope and in 4 years death panels will be marching through the streets taking everyones guns away and tossing them in gayafication camps while obama sits as ruler of the universe.
 
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The left defends the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
These incidents always bring up the same 2 opposing but equally ineffective arguments. The left will argue that giving up our 2nd amendment rights will make us safe (it won't), and the right will argue that giving up our 1st amendment rights will make us safe (which won't either).
The left's argument is simply impossible. Guns aren't going away. The right's argument is disingenuous because they wrongly assume that infringing on the religious freedoms of Muslims won't affect their own religious freedoms as Christians (mob mentality in action there).
The worst part IMO is that everyone will put their own political agenda ahead of the victims.

Please, the only difference at work here is if we had industry selling the word "fire" like we do guns we'd still be shouting it in crowded theaters.
 

FrankRamiro

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If possible, I would like complete banning of ownership of guns.

The only ones who benefit from gun sales are manufacturers and politicians.

You must be out of your mind,you think any politician has the guts to ban guns!
the politicians are voted to power by the NRA,and it's not only that ,the owners of the gun factories are in the government.
 
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Guns are a huge part of the problem. This guy couldn't have done what he did without at least 1.

And which religions or political ideologies tend to be the least responsible with gun ownership in civil society?

Maybe the one that was awarded by politicians the dubious moniker, "religion of peace". You know, just in case anyone missed the memo and wasn't seeing it based on the actions of it's most devoted adherents.

Looks like islam fails the social responsibility litmus test.
 
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Ahhh America. Where one nut job can do the horrific and people en mass fall all over themselves to lay blame at the feet of millions of others who had nothing to do with it.
 

Artdeco

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Gun sales and CC permits to gays and lesbians nationwide are going to skyrocket after this.

I need to give my sister a handgun.
 

sandorski

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And which religions or political ideologies tend to be the least responsible with gun ownership in civil society?

Maybe the one that was awarded by politicians the dubious moniker, "religion of peace". You know, just in case anyone missed the memo and wasn't seeing it based on the actions of it's most devoted adherents.

Looks like islam fails the social responsibility litmus test.

I rather doubt the data would work out the way you think it would.
 

SheHateMe

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This makes me so sad. I have a lot of friends in the LGBT community. One of them is currently in Florida with his friends. Luckily, he is in Miami. I called him as as soon as I heard about this.
 

michal1980

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The left defends the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
These incidents always bring up the same 2 opposing but equally ineffective arguments. The left will argue that giving up our 2nd amendment rights will make us safe (it won't), and the right will argue that giving up our 1st amendment rights will make us safe (which won't either).
The left's argument is simply impossible. Guns aren't going away. The right's argument is disingenuous because they wrongly assume that infringing on the religious freedoms of Muslims won't affect their own religious freedoms as Christians (mob mentality in action there).
The worst part IMO is that everyone will put their own political agenda ahead of the victims.

on this post I agree with you.
 

swamplizard

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Greetings,

And the knee jerk reaction continues: never mind the terror spewed by Christians in this country with the almost complete genocide of the Native American culture. Such ideology as Manifest Destiny created an environment where religious zealots fueled by political propaganda slaughtered innocent lives and corralled the remainder into concentration camps called "reservations." Yet again, we see such radical claims to a moral highground with a backdrop of "terrorism."

Wait and find out the facts...
 

michal1980

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Nobody on the left with any sense thinks we can get rid of guns. What we can do is get some sensible laws on the books that MAY help under certain circumstances. But the gun nutters think its a slippery slope and in 4 years death panels will be marching through the streets taking everyones guns away and tossing them in gayafication camps while obama sits as ruler of the universe.

with the limited knowledge of this case, assuming the gun was legally purchased with a background check. What law do you propose that would allow someone that can legally buy a gun, that would also stop something like this from happening?
 

JSt0rm

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Greetings,

And the knee jerk reaction continues: never mind the terror spewed by Christians in this country with the almost complete genocide of the Native American culture. Such ideology as Manifest Destiny created an environment where religious zealots fueled by political propaganda slaughtered innocent lives and corralled the remainder into concentration camps called "reservations." Yet again, we see such radical claims to a moral highground with a backdrop of "terrorism."

Wait and find out the facts...


whether it was terrorism or not all of this is true.
 

michal1980

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Greetings,

And the knee jerk reaction continues: never mind the terror spewed by Christians in this country with the almost complete genocide of the Native American culture. Such ideology as Manifest Destiny created an environment where religious zealots fueled by political propaganda slaughtered innocent lives and corralled the remainder into concentration camps called "reservations." Yet again, we see such radical claims to a moral highground with a backdrop of "terrorism."

Wait and find out the facts...

pot meet kettle.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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with the limited knowledge of this case, assuming the gun was legally purchased with a background check. What law do you propose that would allow someone that can legally buy a gun, that would also stop something like this from happening?

I dont know. Im not an expert in such things. P&n is full of people putting up whatever dumb idea is in their heads. Id leave it to the experts to come up with the correct solutions.
 

Jaskalas

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SP33Demon

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Just compare UK & US deaths caused by gun violence each year.

No person can kill over 20 - 50 people in a few minutes without guns, with any religion.
Wrong, people can do a lot more damage in even less times with planes into buildings or strategically placed bombs.
 

norseamd

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I'm not going to say you're wrong I do feel terrorist should have a strong foreign tie otherwise the term gets convoluted like rape vs date rape vs I felt guilty sex.
Same with racist nut bag. I don't want that term getting watered down either.

Ah, right, because no one was using the word terrorist to describe Americans killing other Americans before 9/11, because you know, Islam and PC, bro.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Christianity is foreign to this land too.

If you want to identify with the natives a bemoan the existence of the American nation then you are free to have such personal problems. But it's terrorists associating with the Middle East and groups such as ISIS that I care about. They are the ones actively killing Americans. And that extremism does not originate from our soil.
 

UglyCasanova

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Ah, right, because no one was using the word terrorist to describe Americans killing other Americans before 9/11, because you know, Islam and PC, bro.


Agreed. I lived in OKC when the bombing occurred. A girl I went to school with and lived a few houses down's dad died in it. The door at my moms pharmacy blew open from the blast, my dad was involved in the search and rescue right after due to his job. McVeigh was absolutely a terrorist and there is no delution in saying that.

I hope the powers that be don't pussy foot around this shooting and refuse to say the t word due to politics.
 

swamplizard

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pot meet kettle.



... meanwhile, a football game is being played right next door, a football comes across the stadium and lands in the field of play. The pitcher looks incredulously at the catcher before releasing a curve ball.

Seriously, work on your reading comprehension.
 
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