Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Rainsford
This thread reveals so much about the state of mind of some people. Instead of expression sorrow that many innocent people died, or suggesting that those who did it should be brought to justice, this is just an opportunity to bash Islam. Not even just the Muslim terrorists, all Muslims and their entire religion. There is something wrong with you people.
I never said anything heinous about Muslims. But the fact that they are attacking so many countries across the globe does point to a trend.
"Muslims" aren't attacking anyone, as someone else mentioned, they are Muslim extremists and for some reason everyone focuses on the first word instead of the second. That was what I was saying, instead of getting mad at Muslims who are actually doing these things, people fly off the handle and rant and rave about all Muslims, like there is some sort of vast conspiracy going on, when anyone with more than two neurons knows that, like any large group, attatitudes and actions of Muslims are widely varied.
Actually, it's a very similar attitude to that of the terrorists, if a little less extreme. But the basic idea is the same, instead of the enemy being the person who attacks you, your enemy is their entire religious or cultural group, regardless of whether or not they bear any responsibility. Get mugged by a black theif, join the KKK. Pissed off at American foreign policy, kill some random people working in an office building. Attacked by radical Muslims, hate the entire religion.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Tango
Wow. You know... reading some of these posts my first impression is that the terrorists ARE indeed winning this war.
What part of the situation you don't understand? India and pakistan have beein collaborating together after the earthquake. Obviously there's quite some people who don't like this relaxed relation between the two countries. When a conflict becomes cronique, some people start getting benefits out of it. Who did this is probably a radical muslim. I wouldn't bet that they were pakistani only. The group could easily include indians as well. You have people wanting the tension over Kashmir in both sides, because they benefit from it.
Do you remember who killed Rabin? And why? It wasn't a muslim. An Israeli extremist. Exactly when it seemed that a suitable peace process was possible in palestine. I wouldn't consider the fact that he was an israeli jew the reason why he decided to murder his own president. I consider the fact that he was an extremist, not interested in peace.
But again: radical muslims. Muslim extremists. It's funny that people keep focusing on the muslim part, instead of focusing on the extremist part, or the radical part of the concept.
If you forget to think in these terms you end with statements like the ones posted here: Muslims hate us. Kinda general, isn't it?
That's exactly what an extremist would love the most. The less we understand the situation, the less we'll be able to fight the problem. When IRA was bombing in northern ireland did you focus on their religion? Nope. They were irredentists. Separationists. And, eventually, catholics. Did you think at that time that EVERY catholic in the world was ready to place bombs in the streets? No way. Extremists do this kind of things.
The point is not being muslim, or jew or christian. Is being and extremist determined to use terrorism for your own political agenda. or do you think that the people going to the mosque in Harlem spend the rest of the week thinking about placing bombs on the 'A' train? what about the Afghan guy working at the restaurant at the corner of Columbus Ave. and 105th street? He's a muslim... so how comes he's the most pacific guy I ever met in my life? What about the thousands of muslims teaching in the universities all around the country? Are they potential terrorists?
When you read muslim extremists, focus on the word extremist, instead of the word muslim.
Terrorism must be eradicated no matter what... but it's going to be much harder if we do not understand the phenomenon.
Didn't a similar thing happen to Gandhi? He tried to unite Hindus and Muslims in the region, and he was killed by a Hindu extremist who didn't want that to happen...at least as far as I remember. Some people simply don't want to get along, I guess.
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
oh yeah and i <3 Proletariat
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Rainsford
This thread reveals so much about the state of mind of some people. Instead of expression sorrow that many innocent people died, or suggesting that those who did it should be brought to justice, this is just an opportunity to bash Islam. Not even just the Muslim terrorists, all Muslims and their entire religion. There is something wrong with you people.
I never said anything heinous about Muslims. But the fact that they are attacking so many countries across the globe does point to a trend.
"Muslims" aren't attacking anyone, as someone else mentioned, they are Muslim extremists and for some reason everyone focuses on the first word instead of the second. That was what I was saying, instead of getting mad at Muslims who are actually doing these things, people fly off the handle and rant and rave about all Muslims, like there is some sort of vast conspiracy going on, when anyone with more than two neurons knows that, like any large group, attatitudes and actions of Muslims are widely varied.
Actually, it's a very similar attitude to that of the terrorists, if a little less extreme. But the basic idea is the same, instead of the enemy being the person who attacks you, your enemy is their entire religious or cultural group, regardless of whether or not they bear any responsibility. Get mugged by a black theif, join the KKK. Pissed off at American foreign policy, kill some random people working in an office building. Attacked by radical Muslims, hate the entire religion.
I agree that peace and understanding is the only option.
But my uncle is from Delhi and Diwali was supposed to be a day of festivities.
Thats like the terrorists attacking us on Christmas Eve. Its despicable. I'm just pissed right now, I'm sure it will pass. But someone needs to get these bastards and every day I move more right which pisses me off even more.
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Tango
Wow. You know... reading some of these posts my first impression is that the terrorists ARE indeed winning this war.
What part of the situation you don't understand? India and pakistan have beein collaborating together after the earthquake. Obviously there's quite some people who don't like this relaxed relation between the two countries. When a conflict becomes cronique, some people start getting benefits out of it. Who did this is probably a radical muslim. I wouldn't bet that they were pakistani only. The group could easily include indians as well. You have people wanting the tension over Kashmir in both sides, because they benefit from it.
Do you remember who killed Rabin? And why? It wasn't a muslim. An Israeli extremist. Exactly when it seemed that a suitable peace process was possible in palestine. I wouldn't consider the fact that he was an israeli jew the reason why he decided to murder his own president. I consider the fact that he was an extremist, not interested in peace.
But again: radical muslims. Muslim extremists. It's funny that people keep focusing on the muslim part, instead of focusing on the extremist part, or the radical part of the concept.
If you forget to think in these terms you end with statements like the ones posted here: Muslims hate us. Kinda general, isn't it?
That's exactly what an extremist would love the most. The less we understand the situation, the less we'll be able to fight the problem. When IRA was bombing in northern ireland did you focus on their religion? Nope. They were irredentists. Separationists. And, eventually, catholics. Did you think at that time that EVERY catholic in the world was ready to place bombs in the streets? No way. Extremists do this kind of things.
The point is not being muslim, or jew or christian. Is being and extremist determined to use terrorism for your own political agenda. or do you think that the people going to the mosque in Harlem spend the rest of the week thinking about placing bombs on the 'A' train? what about the Afghan guy working at the restaurant at the corner of Columbus Ave. and 105th street? He's a muslim... so how comes he's the most pacific guy I ever met in my life? What about the thousands of muslims teaching in the universities all around the country? Are they potential terrorists?
When you read muslim extremists, focus on the word extremist, instead of the word muslim.
Terrorism must be eradicated no matter what... but it's going to be much harder if we do not understand the phenomenon.
Didn't a similar thing happen to Gandhi? He tried to unite Hindus and Muslims in the region, and he was killed by a Hindu extremist who didn't want that to happen...at least as far as I remember. Some people simply don't want to get along, I guess.
gandhi was gunned down because the hindu extremists thought that he was giving the muslims too much...
and rainsford, you keep insisting that its the extremist part of muslim extremists that important and i agree with you there...however, you make it seem like the muslim part should be ignored which is very untrue. If islam is so concerned with having such labels then perhaps they should condemn such attacks and actively try to minimize radicals...but instead the majority of islam is passivly sitting by while a minority create this kind of fuss
oh yeah and i <3 Proletariat
Originally posted by: raildogg
What connects these terrorists?
Their race? No.
Their language? No.
Their social status? No.
Their income? No.
Their education? No.
The only that these terrorists have in common is their religon. All of them happen to be muslim. They all want Islam to rule the world and everyone else either dead or converted through the use of the sword, like it has been done in the past.
They are fighting in different regions for a specific goal, like trying to establish a independant muslim country in the Phillipines by killing Christians, but their main goal is the global jihad. These groups everywhere are taking part of the global jihad.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
I'd be dollars to doughnuts it was more Muslim extremists.
How could you assume the Religion of Peace would ever commit acts like this?!
Wow you're an idiot. You do know that there are many Muslims in India also, that don't go around bombing the sh!t out of the things?
Or that Muslims and the Hindus coexisted peacefully in India for a long period of time in history?
Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
I hope India is able to find and punish those responsible. There is no excuse for this sort of attack. :|
Originally posted by: cirrrocco
yes..I believe thats because no western cities have been bombed and no western civilians have been killed or maimed..check out the hullabaloo the next time any western civilian is killed..we can contrast the two responses.
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
I'd be dollars to doughnuts it was more Muslim extremists.
How could you assume the Religion of Peace would ever commit acts like this?!
Wow you're an idiot. You do know that there are many Muslims in India also, that don't go around bombing the sh!t out of the things?
Or that Muslims and the Hindus coexisted peacefully in India for a long period of time in history?
Under the stern rule of the British!
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
I'd be dollars to doughnuts it was more Muslim extremists.
How could you assume the Religion of Peace would ever commit acts like this?!
Wow you're an idiot. You do know that there are many Muslims in India also, that don't go around bombing the sh!t out of the things?
Or that Muslims and the Hindus coexisted peacefully in India for a long period of time in history?
Under the stern rule of the British!
And the British, as their final act, decided to throw India into chaos by dividing it into India and Pakistan. That act is the root cause of all this violence.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I'm willing to bet this was a Muslim Pakistani or Indian.
We will see. Every attack in India has been by a Muslim.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Most of the people in this thread seem to have one big issue:
They want to blame the actions of a select few on a very large group of people.
Even *if* (and that is a BIG *if*) somebody could prove beyond a doubt that this terrorism was state sponsored, we would still be talking about a select few people (government officials) responsible for these acts. And yet you want to condemn hundreds of millions of other Muslims who lead good lives and are more concerned with normal everyday matters than what the extremists are doing.
Do you think the average US citizen had a say in what foriegn affairs the US secretly supported? Do you think an average voting citizen had a say in the regime changes the US encouraged, the assassinations, the kidnappings, the weapons we supplied to one side of a conflict, etc.? Heck no. Does that mean all US citizens are condemned because of what a select few government officials did?
Of course, nobody here can concretely prove any of these activities are government backed. If you have a credible link that does prove it, then two countries would already be at war.
Originally posted by: deepred98
it's about time
jk