Terrorists bomb India

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

I dislike Islam but it doesn't say in the Quran to kill anyone that won't convert.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Tango
Wow. You know... reading some of these posts my first impression is that the terrorists ARE indeed winning this war.

What part of the situation you don't understand? India and pakistan have beein collaborating together after the earthquake. Obviously there's quite some people who don't like this relaxed relation between the two countries. When a conflict becomes cronique, some people start getting benefits out of it. Who did this is probably a radical muslim. I wouldn't bet that they were pakistani only. The group could easily include indians as well. You have people wanting the tension over Kashmir in both sides, because they benefit from it.
Do you remember who killed Rabin? And why? It wasn't a muslim. An Israeli extremist. Exactly when it seemed that a suitable peace process was possible in palestine. I wouldn't consider the fact that he was an israeli jew the reason why he decided to murder his own president. I consider the fact that he was an extremist, not interested in peace.

But again: radical muslims. Muslim extremists. It's funny that people keep focusing on the muslim part, instead of focusing on the extremist part, or the radical part of the concept.
If you forget to think in these terms you end with statements like the ones posted here: Muslims hate us. Kinda general, isn't it?

That's exactly what an extremist would love the most. The less we understand the situation, the less we'll be able to fight the problem. When IRA was bombing in northern ireland did you focus on their religion? Nope. They were irredentists. Separationists. And, eventually, catholics. Did you think at that time that EVERY catholic in the world was ready to place bombs in the streets? No way. Extremists do this kind of things.

The point is not being muslim, or jew or christian. Is being and extremist determined to use terrorism for your own political agenda. or do you think that the people going to the mosque in Harlem spend the rest of the week thinking about placing bombs on the 'A' train? what about the Afghan guy working at the restaurant at the corner of Columbus Ave. and 105th street? He's a muslim... so how comes he's the most pacific guy I ever met in my life? What about the thousands of muslims teaching in the universities all around the country? Are they potential terrorists?

When you read muslim extremists, focus on the word extremist, instead of the word muslim.

Terrorism must be eradicated no matter what... but it's going to be much harder if we do not understand the phenomenon.

But the IRA didn't commit acts of terror in the name of Catholism. Muslim extremists commit acts of Terror in the name of Islam and Allah. Theres a huge point that you missed.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Most of the people in this thread seem to have one big issue:

They want to blame the actions of a select few on a very large group of people.

Even *if* (and that is a BIG *if*) somebody could prove beyond a doubt that this terrorism was state sponsored, we would still be talking about a select few people (government officials) responsible for these acts. And yet you want to condemn hundreds of millions of other Muslims who lead good lives and are more concerned with normal everyday matters than what the extremists are doing.

Do you think the average US citizen had a say in what foriegn affairs the US secretly supported? Do you think an average voting citizen had a say in the regime changes the US encouraged, the assassinations, the kidnappings, the weapons we supplied to one side of a conflict, etc.? Heck no. Does that mean all US citizens are condemned because of what a select few government officials did?

Of course, nobody here can concretely prove any of these activities are government backed. If you have a credible link that does prove it, then two countries would already be at war.

Pakistan's anti-Indian activities

I don't mind ignorance. But I despise the conviction borne by ignorance. Pakistan's motive for anti-Indian activities is bred from its motive in remaining a medieval, Islamic, dictatorial nation that associates with other dictatorial, regressive regimes (ranging from the Chinese communists to Ayatollah to Kim Jong Il to Gadaffi).

For any unbiased observer it would be immediately obvious that the schism between India and Pakistan is wider by an order of magnitude than the one between the US and Soviet Russia ever was. And yet, somehow it is perfectly logical and reasonable for Americans to hate the Soviets and their philosophy on one hand while refusing to understand how Pakistan and India are different on the other. If the US didn't keep propping up Pakistan, frankly, it wouldn't take India very long to rewrite Pakistan's history...like it did in 1971 with Bangladesh.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

Umm :roll:

Yeah right.

I admit, there is a problem with Islamic militants worldwide. They need to be stopped at all costs. But you want to condemn ~1.5 billion Muslims worldwide because of the actions of what, maybe .001% of them? If you want to pick a fight with ~25% of the world's population, you better be ready to sacrifice any notion of the world as we know it.

Thank goodness both Pakistan and India are nuclear powers. That will spare them both another costly war.

There are regimes all over the world that need to be removed. Pakistan is very likely one of them if they are behind terrorist attacks in India. Likewise, I think our own administration should have been replaced in 2004 for killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

It's all about perspective. And the perspective for most people here is that America can do no wrong (even when we kill scores of civilians) and everyone else around the world who does the same is evil.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Tango
Wow. You know... reading some of these posts my first impression is that the terrorists ARE indeed winning this war.

What part of the situation you don't understand? India and pakistan have beein collaborating together after the earthquake. Obviously there's quite some people who don't like this relaxed relation between the two countries. When a conflict becomes cronique, some people start getting benefits out of it. Who did this is probably a radical muslim. I wouldn't bet that they were pakistani only. The group could easily include indians as well. You have people wanting the tension over Kashmir in both sides, because they benefit from it.
Do you remember who killed Rabin? And why? It wasn't a muslim. An Israeli extremist. Exactly when it seemed that a suitable peace process was possible in palestine. I wouldn't consider the fact that he was an israeli jew the reason why he decided to murder his own president. I consider the fact that he was an extremist, not interested in peace.

But again: radical muslims. Muslim extremists. It's funny that people keep focusing on the muslim part, instead of focusing on the extremist part, or the radical part of the concept.
If you forget to think in these terms you end with statements like the ones posted here: Muslims hate us. Kinda general, isn't it?

That's exactly what an extremist would love the most. The less we understand the situation, the less we'll be able to fight the problem. When IRA was bombing in northern ireland did you focus on their religion? Nope. They were irredentists. Separationists. And, eventually, catholics. Did you think at that time that EVERY catholic in the world was ready to place bombs in the streets? No way. Extremists do this kind of things.

The point is not being muslim, or jew or christian. Is being and extremist determined to use terrorism for your own political agenda. or do you think that the people going to the mosque in Harlem spend the rest of the week thinking about placing bombs on the 'A' train? what about the Afghan guy working at the restaurant at the corner of Columbus Ave. and 105th street? He's a muslim... so how comes he's the most pacific guy I ever met in my life? What about the thousands of muslims teaching in the universities all around the country? Are they potential terrorists?

When you read muslim extremists, focus on the word extremist, instead of the word muslim.

Terrorism must be eradicated no matter what... but it's going to be much harder if we do not understand the phenomenon.

Didn't a similar thing happen to Gandhi? He tried to unite Hindus and Muslims in the region, and he was killed by a Hindu extremist who didn't want that to happen...at least as far as I remember. Some people simply don't want to get along, I guess.

gandhi was gunned down because the hindu extremists thought that he was giving the muslims too much...

and rainsford, you keep insisting that its the extremist part of muslim extremists that important and i agree with you there...however, you make it seem like the muslim part should be ignored which is very untrue. If islam is so concerned with having such labels then perhaps they should condemn such attacks and actively try to minimize radicals...but instead the majority of islam is passivly sitting by while a minority create this kind of fuss

oh yeah and i <3 Proletariat

I agree, I think Muslims have a vital role to play here as well, they need to stand against extremists who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains. Without that step, we'll be fighting the war on terrorism for a long time...at least against Muslim terrorists. A true defeat for them can only come from within the Muslim community.

Don't count on it.

The problem with the west they complicate the whole problem. Say, I lived in Palestine and an Israel bomb destroys my house killing my family, and a friend of mine(who you call a terrorist) also lost family in this attack and wants to get revenge. Now he's all pissed off and goes over to Israel or wherever and kills some people. You honestly want me to stop him? I'm pissed too.

''I agree, I think Muslims have a vital role to play here as well, they need to stand against extremists who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.''

It has nothing to do with that, they are just VERY pissed off about all the innocent Muslims that died because of Israel/America.

As for Pakistan/India, they are at war....war, one didn't invade the other, don't confuse the Iraq invasion as a war.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

I'd be dollars to doughnuts it was more Muslim extremists.

How could you assume the Religion of Peace would ever commit acts like this?!

Wow you're an idiot. You do know that there are many Muslims in India also, that don't go around bombing the sh!t out of the things?

Or that Muslims and the Hindus coexisted peacefully in India for a long period of time in history?

Under the stern rule of the British!

And the British, as their final act, decided to throw India into chaos by dividing it into India and Pakistan. That act is the root cause of all this violence.

Same thing when they split Palestine into Israel and Palestine.....that act is the root cause of all this violence.

 

[nk8]

There is no doubt this whole thing was done by radical muslims backed by pakistan. I am totally surprised with the way the western world behaves when it comes to pakistan. India has failed in the last 15-20 yrs to convince the world that these were the hand work of pakistan supported terriost. It is only after 9/11, that the world noticed how 9/11 accused were trained in pakistan. but still, bombed iraq instead of pakistan. Foolish...It is like a monkey sitting at white house and making decision instead of actual human beings

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

I dislike Islam but it doesn't say in the Quran to kill anyone that won't convert.

Yup thats right.

What it says is to only defend, and never attack. What the ''terrorists'' are doing is wrong, they are not fighting in the way Islam is supposed to be, BUT are they justified? That is arguable.

They lost family or generally angry at the west, and want revenge, the west bombs innocent Muslims, so some Muslims take up arms and want to return the favour. Thats all there is to it. It is against Islam to attack innocent civilians, the way it works is that you can only defend your land from invaders.

But they are not twisting anything...they are just very very very pissed off, same as anyone would be if their family got bombed.

You think we are happy with the west? HA! If there are Muslims willing to return the favour, then....we won't exactly stop them. I don't know how mad someone can get if they lost their family in Israel....

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

Umm :roll:

Yeah right.

I admit, there is a problem with Islamic militants worldwide. They need to be stopped at all costs. But you want to condemn ~1.5 billion Muslims worldwide because of the actions of what, maybe .001% of them? If you want to pick a fight with ~25% of the world's population, you better be ready to sacrifice any notion of the world as we know it.

Thank goodness both Pakistan and India are nuclear powers. That will spare them both another costly war.

There are regimes all over the world that need to be removed. Pakistan is very likely one of them if they are behind terrorist attacks in India. Likewise, I think our own administration should have been replaced in 2004 for killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

It's all about perspective. And the perspective for most people here is that America can do no wrong (even when we kill scores of civilians) and everyone else around the world who does the same is evil.

It takes only one madman dictator to start a nuclear war. Guess which country is more likely to have such a dictator running it? Hint: That country also lacks a no-first use policy, unlike its neighbour nuclear power. To the contrary, its leaders have openly stated that they will use a nuclear weapon first in the event of a conventional war.

Once again, the Islam-terrorism association is not made because terrorists are using Islam as an excuse. The association is being made because they are not being prevented from using Islam as an excuse for their psychopathic attacks. You are saying that Islam is not contributing towards these terrorist attacks. I wholeheartedly agree. Now, what is Islam doing to prevent these terrorist attacks? Is it really none of their business? Is it only the American or Indian soldier's business to stop these attacks? mOeeOm's posts are very characteristic of what the average muslim thinks about this subject.

What it says is to only defend, and never attack. What the ''terrorists'' are doing is wrong, they are not fighting in the way Islam is supposed to be, BUT are they justified? That is arguable.

No fight is arguably worth killing innocent civilians over. Yet, Muslims want to debate that point. They can't just shut up the jihadists, move their communities into the 21st century, protect their religion and way of life by adapting it instead of hardlining their customs and try to give a sane voice to the Islamic perspective? They want to debate whether Islamic terrorists are arguably justified in their anger.

The West does nothing remotely similar to bombing innocent muslims the way Islamic terrorists target innocent innocent Jews, Hindus and Christians. What is the Kashmiri grouse against India? People keep happily parrotting the lie that the Indian Army has terrorized Muslims in Kashmir. How many Muslims are there in the rest of India? What is the status of Muslims in India today? What is their representation politically? What is their representation in Sports, Economics, Culture, Literature, Arts - Music, Drama, Television, Movies? What the FVCK is their grouse? The West lies, the Middle-East lies, Pakistan lies, the Kashmiri militants LIE about the status of Muslims in India :| Don't fvcking come and tell me that Kashmiri militants have ANY reason to bomb innocent Hindus (they fcvking waited for the Muslims to go home and break their Ramzan fast and pointedly bombed shopping centers where people were shopping for the Hindu festival of Diwali).

See, jpeyton? They want to debate this sh!t. That is the reason behind Islam-terrorism auto-association in the minds of a little over 4.5 billion people worldwide. You think pissing off 1.5 billion is going hurt the world? Wait until the remaining 5 billion people run out of patience :frown:

EDIT: It would be remiss of me to not mention Indian Muslims. Of any group of Muslims in the whole world, this is the only one that has not only assimilated into its environs, but contributed to it in much greater proportion to its numbers. The Indian population is less than 15% muslim, but is flavored with a much larger portion of Islamic heritage. The rest of the Muslim world should bow in shame to the Indian muslim.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

I dislike Islam but it doesn't say in the Quran to kill anyone that won't convert.

Yup thats right.

What it says is to only defend, and never attack. What the ''terrorists'' are doing is wrong, they are not fighting in the way Islam is supposed to be, BUT are they justified? That is arguable.

They lost family or generally angry at the west, and want revenge, the west bombs innocent Muslims, so some Muslims take up arms and want to return the favour. Thats all there is to it. It is against Islam to attack innocent civilians, the way it works is that you can only defend your land from invaders.

But they are not twisting anything...they are just very very very pissed off, same as anyone would be if their family got bombed.

You think we are happy with the west? HA! If there are Muslims willing to return the favour, then....we won't exactly stop them. I don't know how mad someone can get if they lost their family in Israel....

Wow, WTH does Israel have to do with the bombings in India!?!?!?!?! :| :| :| :|

Looks to me that you are a terrorist sympathizer.

You'd be surprised on how many terrorists lost their family to the so called 'western bombings' of innocent civilians. Take a look at the 9/11 hijackers....

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

I dislike Islam but it doesn't say in the Quran to kill anyone that won't convert.

Yup thats right.

What it says is to only defend, and never attack. What the ''terrorists'' are doing is wrong, they are not fighting in the way Islam is supposed to be, BUT are they justified? That is arguable.

They lost family or generally angry at the west, and want revenge, the west bombs innocent Muslims, so some Muslims take up arms and want to return the favour. Thats all there is to it. It is against Islam to attack innocent civilians, the way it works is that you can only defend your land from invaders.

But they are not twisting anything...they are just very very very pissed off, same as anyone would be if their family got bombed.

You think we are happy with the west? HA! If there are Muslims willing to return the favour, then....we won't exactly stop them. I don't know how mad someone can get if they lost their family in Israel....

Wow, WTH does Israel have to do with the bombings in India!?!?!?!?! :| :| :| :|

Looks to me that you are a terrorist sympathizer.

You'd be surprised on how many terrorists lost their family to the so called 'western bombings' of innocent civilians. Take a look at the 9/11 hijackers....

''As for Pakistan/India, they are at war....war, one didn't invade the other, don't confuse the Iraq invasion as a war. ''

I've said this in an earlier post, please make it a habit to read the all the posts in a thread before saying anything, it is very rude to just jump in.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: karstenanderson
twisting? it says in the koran to kill anyone who won't convert, how is that twisting?

Originally posted by: Rainsford
who would twist their faith to their own selfish gains.

I dislike Islam but it doesn't say in the Quran to kill anyone that won't convert.

Yup thats right.

What it says is to only defend, and never attack. What the ''terrorists'' are doing is wrong, they are not fighting in the way Islam is supposed to be, BUT are they justified? That is arguable.

They lost family or generally angry at the west, and want revenge, the west bombs innocent Muslims, so some Muslims take up arms and want to return the favour. Thats all there is to it. It is against Islam to attack innocent civilians, the way it works is that you can only defend your land from invaders.

But they are not twisting anything...they are just very very very pissed off, same as anyone would be if their family got bombed.

You think we are happy with the west? HA! If there are Muslims willing to return the favour, then....we won't exactly stop them. I don't know how mad someone can get if they lost their family in Israel....

Wow, WTH does Israel have to do with the bombings in India!?!?!?!?! :| :| :| :|

Looks to me that you are a terrorist sympathizer.

You'd be surprised on how many terrorists lost their family to the so called 'western bombings' of innocent civilians. Take a look at the 9/11 hijackers....

''As for Pakistan/India, they are at war....war, one didn't invade the other, don't confuse the Iraq invasion as a war. ''

I've said this in an earlier post, please make it a habit to read the all the posts in a thread before saying anything, it is very rude to just jump in.

Regardless of what you think, IT IS DISGUSTING THAT THE WAY A COUNTRY CONDUCTS WARFARE IS BY PURPOSELY TARGETING INNOCENT CIVILIANS. How you think that is even remotely justifiable is disgusting.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: athithi
Wait until the remaining 5 billion people run out of patience :frown:

It will never happen. People DO realize the difference between attacking those responsible, and attacking those who are not. The entire US was behind our military in Afghanistan, and more than half disapprove of our actions in Iraq. In one case, we were directly going after the enemy, in another we were going after someone we simply disliked because he didn't fit our agenda.

Is it every Muslims fault because the terrorists claim Islam as their reasoning? I guess it's every Christian's fault for Iraq because Bush is Evangelical? Such associations don't fly in the real world.

And don't worry, if it comes down to it, every Islamic government in the world will denounce terrorism just to please you guys. If a few words is all it takes, why not?

It's all politics anyways. Remember how the Saudi government condemned 9/11 after we learned of the hijacker's nationalities? So if it's condemnation you want, you shall recieve.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: raildogg
What connects these terrorists?

Their race? No.
Their language? No.
Their social status? No.
Their income? No.
Their education? No.

The only that these terrorists have in common is their religon. All of them happen to be muslim. They all want Islam to rule the world and everyone else either dead or converted through the use of the sword, like it has been done in the past.

They are fighting in different regions for a specific goal, like trying to establish a independant muslim country in the Phillipines by killing Christians, but their main goal is the global jihad. These groups everywhere are taking part of the global jihad.

Well, their education: YES. They have at some point turned into extreme misinterpretation of the muslim religion.

Sometimes they share their religion with their victims too. How do you explain it? It is NOT a war of religions, and thinking this makes terrorism stronger.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Tango
Wow. You know... reading some of these posts my first impression is that the terrorists ARE indeed winning this war.

What part of the situation you don't understand? India and pakistan have beein collaborating together after the earthquake. Obviously there's quite some people who don't like this relaxed relation between the two countries. When a conflict becomes cronique, some people start getting benefits out of it. Who did this is probably a radical muslim. I wouldn't bet that they were pakistani only. The group could easily include indians as well. You have people wanting the tension over Kashmir in both sides, because they benefit from it.
Do you remember who killed Rabin? And why? It wasn't a muslim. An Israeli extremist. Exactly when it seemed that a suitable peace process was possible in palestine. I wouldn't consider the fact that he was an israeli jew the reason why he decided to murder his own president. I consider the fact that he was an extremist, not interested in peace.

But again: radical muslims. Muslim extremists. It's funny that people keep focusing on the muslim part, instead of focusing on the extremist part, or the radical part of the concept.
If you forget to think in these terms you end with statements like the ones posted here: Muslims hate us. Kinda general, isn't it?

That's exactly what an extremist would love the most. The less we understand the situation, the less we'll be able to fight the problem. When IRA was bombing in northern ireland did you focus on their religion? Nope. They were irredentists. Separationists. And, eventually, catholics. Did you think at that time that EVERY catholic in the world was ready to place bombs in the streets? No way. Extremists do this kind of things.

The point is not being muslim, or jew or christian. Is being and extremist determined to use terrorism for your own political agenda. or do you think that the people going to the mosque in Harlem spend the rest of the week thinking about placing bombs on the 'A' train? what about the Afghan guy working at the restaurant at the corner of Columbus Ave. and 105th street? He's a muslim... so how comes he's the most pacific guy I ever met in my life? What about the thousands of muslims teaching in the universities all around the country? Are they potential terrorists?

When you read muslim extremists, focus on the word extremist, instead of the word muslim.

Terrorism must be eradicated no matter what... but it's going to be much harder if we do not understand the phenomenon.

But the IRA didn't commit acts of terror in the name of Catholism. Muslim extremists commit acts of Terror in the name of Islam and Allah. Theres a huge point that you missed.

Uncorrect. Many times IRA communicates stated that they were defending the rights of Catholics in a Protestant Northern Ireland, just as many times muslim terrorists claimed their terror attacks to be a response to Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.

The various components of the terror discourse are hard to separate.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: athithi
Wait until the remaining 5 billion people run out of patience :frown:

It will never happen. People DO realize the difference between attacking those responsible, and attacking those who are not. The entire US was behind our military in Afghanistan, and more than half disapprove of our actions in Iraq. In one case, we were directly going after the enemy, in another we were going after someone we simply disliked because he didn't fit our agenda.

Is it every Muslims fault because the terrorists claim Islam as their reasoning? I guess it's every Christian's fault for Iraq because Bush is Evangelical? Such associations don't fly in the real world.

And don't worry, if it comes down to it, every Islamic government in the world will denounce terrorism just to please you guys. If a few words is all it takes, why not?

It's all politics anyways. Remember how the Saudi government condemned 9/11 after we learned of the hijacker's nationalities? So if it's condemnation you want, you shall recieve.

ok, the muslims/arabs are going to get pigeonholed for THEIR people blowing themselves up. Its a fact of life...the only way they can escape that pigeonhole is for various governmental and religious heads to come out and say they want to stop this nonsense...but they have no intention of doing so...infact the iranian leader wants to 'wipe off' israel.

I've never blamed muslims for anything that the extremists do except for their lack of opinion on it.

And i'm allways ready to critize the indian government and army of stupid sh1t they do but this time I belive they did everything correctly. When the quake happened, india offered to go into PoK to help...pakistan said no, so india obeyed and sent many supplies including helicoptors and other militart equipment. They did a great job in kashmir with many accounts of people being surprised by the helpfulness of the indian military. Now india offered to open by the borders for peace reasons and this fvcking pakistani supported terrorist groups blows up sh1t before diwali. It is as if London or NYC was attacked on christmas eve.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
THEIR people

How are these extremists "their people"? Are you saying some Muslim family in Jakarta is responsible for the actions of terrorists in India?

Of course not. The family in Jakarta has no bearing on what "claims" a terrorist will make, and what actions they will pursue.

And these governments do seek out these terror groups. You think Bali just stood by after the nightclub bombings? Are the Indonesian police not going after people for the beheadings?

In regards to what the leader of Iran said, it was brash and stupid, but no more stupid than Bush declaring soveriegn nations around the world as "evil". You think the average family in Iraq appreciated the destruction of their country because Bush had beef with Saddam? Why should we concern ourselves with Israel anyways? The nation was borne of violence and its history has been lined with violence. Nations in that area will have a different perspective of the conflict compared to ours.

 

[athithi]

Is it every Muslims fault because the terrorists claim Islam as their reasoning? I guess it's every Christian's fault for Iraq because Bush is Evangelical? Such associations don't fly in the real world.

Gosh! Did you even read my post in its entirety?! Answer me this: Are Christians acting against Bush policies in Iraq? Are Muslims acting against Islamic terrorism in any part of the world?

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: athithi
Wait until the remaining 5 billion people run out of patience :frown:

It will never happen. People DO realize the difference between attacking those responsible, and attacking those who are not. The entire US was behind our military in Afghanistan, and more than half disapprove of our actions in Iraq. In one case, we were directly going after the enemy, in another we were going after someone we simply disliked because he didn't fit our agenda.

Is it every Muslims fault because the terrorists claim Islam as their reasoning? I guess it's every Christian's fault for Iraq because Bush is Evangelical? Such associations don't fly in the real world.

And don't worry, if it comes down to it, every Islamic government in the world will denounce terrorism just to please you guys. If a few words is all it takes, why not?

It's all politics anyways. Remember how the Saudi government condemned 9/11 after we learned of the hijacker's nationalities? So if it's condemnation you want, you shall recieve.

ok, the muslims/arabs are going to get pigeonholed for THEIR people blowing themselves up. Its a fact of life...the only way they can escape that pigeonhole is for various governmental and religious heads to come out and say they want to stop this nonsense...but they have no intention of doing so...infact the iranian leader wants to 'wipe off' israel.

I've never blamed muslims for anything that the extremists do except for their lack of opinion on it.

And i'm allways ready to critize the indian government and army of stupid sh1t they do but this time I belive they did everything correctly. When the quake happened, india offered to go into PoK to help...pakistan said no, so india obeyed and sent many supplies including helicoptors and other militart equipment. They did a great job in kashmir with many accounts of people being surprised by the helpfulness of the indian military. Now india offered to open by the borders for peace reasons and this fvcking pakistani supported terrorist groups blows up sh1t before diwali. It is as if London or NYC was attacked on christmas eve.

I doubt the govt. supported them per se... LeT has tried to assasinate Musharaff. But Musharaff isn't doing enough to curb the militants. Had it not been for the US support of Pakistan, India would have invaded Pakistan by now. Who the fing hell gets away with blowing up civilians and the parliament!

I have no respect for the Islamic militants or the people who passively support them and their means. You aren't being isolated, their is no frickin zionist conspiracy to eradicate you, and frickin DO NOT TARGET CIVILIANS... and if you want to wage a war, take a page out of the Indian independence struggle. Frickin monsters, thats what they are.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: athithi

Is it every Muslims fault because the terrorists claim Islam as their reasoning? I guess it's every Christian's fault for Iraq because Bush is Evangelical? Such associations don't fly in the real world.

Gosh! Did you even read my post in its entirety?! Answer me this: Are Christians acting against Bush policies in Iraq? Are Muslims acting against Islamic terrorism in any part of the world?

These terrorist sympathizers on this forum will never learn. They deny, deny and deny. Its like they are completely out of touch with reality! How shocking!

Many of them will mention Israel, which has nothing to do with India as a way to shift blame from the muslim extremists. They will say Israel is why muslim extremists kill hindus in India, Americans, christians in the Phillipines and buddhists in Thailand.

When you don't have nothing, just blame the Jews. It has been done for many centuries and will continue for many more.

As for Christians, have you seen a Christian terrorist lately? A buddhist terrorist? A Jewish terrorist? A hindu terrorist? A Sikh terrorist, even :Q?

If you did, please let us know. I know I am waiting.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
THEIR people

How are these extremists "their people"? Are you saying some Muslim family in Jakarta is responsible for the actions of terrorists in India?

Of course not. The family in Jakarta has no bearing on what "claims" a terrorist will make, and what actions they will pursue.

And these governments do seek out these terror groups. You think Bali just stood by after the nightclub bombings? Are the Indonesian police not going after people for the beheadings?

In regards to what the leader of Iran said, it was brash and stupid, but no more stupid than Bush declaring soveriegn nations around the world as "evil". You think the average family in Iraq appreciated the destruction of their country because Bush had beef with Saddam? Why should we concern ourselves with Israel anyways? The nation was borne of violence and its history has been lined with violence. Nations in that area will have a different perspective of the conflict compared to ours.

its 'their' people because the terrorits use the koran as a source of 'inspiration' so its only fitting that people who also hold the koran dear would denounce this act. thats why i say 'their' people.

It would be the same if I started beating up old people caues you told me too. Would you not tell me to stop it cause i'm causing all sorts of problems for you, not to mention that its morally worng.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: raildogg

As for Christians, have you seen a Christian terrorist lately? A buddhist terrorist? A Jewish terrorist? A hindu terrorist? A Sikh terrorist, even :Q?

If you did, please let us know. I know I am waiting.

Christian: anti abortion bombings in the '90s, Oklahoma City...


Buddihst: terror attacks and ethnic-religious based violence in Butan, Sri Lanka, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Korea.
http://www.theway.co.uk/news/showcnews.php?news_id=1264

Here's an article about the anti-muslim violence erupted in Burma, May 2001:

Eyewitnesses blame the violence on a crowd of more than a thousand people, led by monks. The violence started when a group of Burmese Buddhists attacked shops and restaurants owned by Muslims in the central town area. The Muslim owners retaliated angrily, defending themselves and fighting back, and then the violence escalated. In the next two days, Muslim homes, shops, and mosques were damaged or burned. Many Muslims were beaten and required medical treatment. During the violence, many Muslims sought and were given sanctuary both in Christian and Buddhist religious places of worship. Medical treatment at the government hospital was denied or delayed for a number of victims, said a local resident, and private doctors provided care for them but at their own risk.

Nine Muslims reportedly died during the riots, including three children. In one incident, a family of four, including two young children, perished when their house was set on fire by angry crowds allegedly whipped up by Buddhist monks. The house was burned to the ground, allegedly after being ignored by fire-fighters who devoted all their efforts to saving a Buddhist home next door.

Do a little research on Human Rights Watch and you will find dozens of other buddhist driven acts of violence.

Sikh terrorism:
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/sikh.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
Quote:
Last spring in the Punjab, Sikh terrorists killed 23 candidates running for state and national office. Sikh terrorists also carried out random attacks and bombings, which included massacres of people aboard trains and buses. In Assam, the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) was responsible for a spate of terrorist operations, particularly kidnappings. One such kidnapping targeted a Soviet technician, who was killed, as were several Indian kidnap victims. Kashmiri militants routinely planted bombs in and around bridges and communications targets and extorted money from local businessmen. They also kidnapped relatives of prominent officials and several foreigners.
Endquote

Seriously... no religion in the world hasn't at least one organization claiming to act in its name.

Obviously, muslim extremists are more active now than arguably any other organized terror organization. But claiming they are the only ones is a litle bit naive.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Tango

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
Quote:
Last spring in the Punjab, Sikh terrorists killed 23 candidates running for state and national office. Sikh terrorists also carried out random attacks and bombings, which included massacres of people aboard trains and buses. In Assam, the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) was responsible for a spate of terrorist operations, particularly kidnappings. One such kidnapping targeted a Soviet technician, who was killed, as were several Indian kidnap victims. Kashmiri militants routinely planted bombs in and around bridges and communications targets and extorted money from local businessmen. They also kidnapped relatives of prominent officials and several foreigners.
Endquote

Seriously... no religion in the world hasn't at least one organization claiming to act in its name.

Obviously, muslim extremists are more active now than arguably any other organized terror organization. But claiming they are the only ones is a litle bit naive.

Whoa! That snippet about Sikh terrorism was from 1991! And do you want to hazard a guess who instigated Sikh separatism in India?

Sure, all religions have their kooks. But communities and their leadership from each religion have proactively fought against the terrorists in their midst. Do you know who was responsible for defeating terrorism in Punjab? K.P.S.Gill - a Sikh supercop who was the Director General of Police in Punjab (which also lends an interesting point about how terrorism can, under the right circumstances, be dealt with as a law and order problem as opposed to a military problem). Muslims have by far the weakest record globally of fighting against terrorism - and as long as they have people defending their negligence, they won't feel the need to rise up against Islamic terrorism. And unless the Muslim community takes it upon themselves to be the front-runners against Islamic terrorism, it will never be defeated - certainly not without another World War (a.k.a 5 billion pissed off people).

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Tango

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
Quote:
Last spring in the Punjab, Sikh terrorists killed 23 candidates running for state and national office. Sikh terrorists also carried out random attacks and bombings, which included massacres of people aboard trains and buses. In Assam, the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) was responsible for a spate of terrorist operations, particularly kidnappings. One such kidnapping targeted a Soviet technician, who was killed, as were several Indian kidnap victims. Kashmiri militants routinely planted bombs in and around bridges and communications targets and extorted money from local businessmen. They also kidnapped relatives of prominent officials and several foreigners.
Endquote

Seriously... no religion in the world hasn't at least one organization claiming to act in its name.

Obviously, muslim extremists are more active now than arguably any other organized terror organization. But claiming they are the only ones is a litle bit naive.

Whoa! That snippet about Sikh terrorism was from 1991! And do you want to hazard a guess who instigated Sikh separatism in India?

Sure, all religions have their kooks. But communities and their leadership from each religion have proactively fought against the terrorists in their midst. Do you know who was responsible for defeating terrorism in Punjab? K.P.S.Gill - a Sikh supercop who was the Director General of Police in Punjab (which also lends an interesting point about how terrorism can, under the right circumstances, be dealt with as a law and order problem as opposed to a military problem). Muslims have by far the weakest record globally of fighting against terrorism - and as long as they have people defending their negligence, they won't feel the need to rise up against Islamic terrorism. And unless the Muslim community takes it upon themselves to be the front-runners against Islamic terrorism, it will never be defeated - certainly not without another World War (a.k.a 5 billion pissed off people).

yup, but instead they focus their energy on insisting how its none of their fault.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Tango

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_91/asia.html
Quote:
Last spring in the Punjab, Sikh terrorists killed 23 candidates running for state and national office. Sikh terrorists also carried out random attacks and bombings, which included massacres of people aboard trains and buses. In Assam, the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) was responsible for a spate of terrorist operations, particularly kidnappings. One such kidnapping targeted a Soviet technician, who was killed, as were several Indian kidnap victims. Kashmiri militants routinely planted bombs in and around bridges and communications targets and extorted money from local businessmen. They also kidnapped relatives of prominent officials and several foreigners.
Endquote

Seriously... no religion in the world hasn't at least one organization claiming to act in its name.

Obviously, muslim extremists are more active now than arguably any other organized terror organization. But claiming they are the only ones is a litle bit naive.

Whoa! That snippet about Sikh terrorism was from 1991! And do you want to hazard a guess who instigated Sikh separatism in India?

Sure, all religions have their kooks. But communities and their leadership from each religion have proactively fought against the terrorists in their midst. Do you know who was responsible for defeating terrorism in Punjab? K.P.S.Gill - a Sikh supercop who was the Director General of Police in Punjab (which also lends an interesting point about how terrorism can, under the right circumstances, be dealt with as a law and order problem as opposed to a military problem). Muslims have by far the weakest record globally of fighting against terrorism - and as long as they have people defending their negligence, they won't feel the need to rise up against Islamic terrorism. And unless the Muslim community takes it upon themselves to be the front-runners against Islamic terrorism, it will never be defeated - certainly not without another World War (a.k.a 5 billion pissed off people).

yup, but instead they focus their energy on insisting how its none of their fault.

Agreed. It's sad they have to use their energy fighting the stereotypes of people like you. Maybe if we actually tried to work together with them instead of threatening them we could root out terrorism.

But Mr. Bush likes to antagonize people. He is a divider, not a uniter.