Tesla Cybertruck

[MrSquished]

Yeah but to be fair that isn't exactly exclusive to the CT.


IDK, it's not that the competition sucks. The Lighting and R1T are amazing vehicles in their own right. I don't really consider the Hummer a truck and the Silverado is fairly new so I think the consensus is still out on it but the range is suppose to be amazing.

I'm not sure what it is.....maybe it is just as simple as the way it looks and the hype around it?

Oh definitely a lot of it is the hype, But it's not because it came out and it's so great - we're talking about hype over years and building on a 1 million long reservations list with a lot of cult like worship along the way.

Right now if the Cyber truck lived up to a lot of its expectations, you would be waiting for delivery for one for ages still. The electric pickup market is still very small. The Cyber truck was Elon hype and cultism. It's not like it's beating a massive market.

I think overall this will be a giant flop for Tesla. I mean it kind of is already.

 

[Kaido]

Oh definitely a lot of it is the hype, But it's not because it came out and it's so great - we're talking about hype over years and building on a 1 million long reservations list with a lot of cult like worship along the way.

Right now if the Cyber truck lived up to a lot of its expectations, you would be waiting for delivery for one for ages still. The electric pickup market is still very small. The Cyber truck was Elon hype and cultism. It's not like it's beating a massive market.

I think overall this will be a giant flop for Tesla. I mean it kind of is already.

I think:

1. The electric truck market was small to begin with
2. The original announcement was not what ANYONE was expecting
3. For the people who DID like it, the finished product had many changes (price, range, design alterations, etc.), which caused opinions to change

Plus:

1. The initial batch has had numerous issues (rusting, off-road fails, etc.)
2. The public reception has been pretty dismal, so you have to be willing to deal with social criticism

For me:

1. I like weird cars
2. I don't mind the public perception because I don't buy cars for social validation
3. The biggest drawbacks for me are the price & range

The early-adopter Foundation model run is transitioning out; now you can get a base AWD model with 325 miles of range for $80,000. At that price & range, I don't see the value, especially when a Model 3 gets more range with the same number of seats for half the cost, just with a smaller trunk. Tesla also pushed out the $16,000 Range Extender delivery date to 2025 & downgraded the range to 445 miles. Not quite the no-battery-backpack 500 or even 620-mile range I was hoping for!

Tesla’s Cybertruck range extender just became an even worse deal

And you’ll be waiting even longer to be able to get it.

www.theverge.com

A $39k model was obviously economically unfeasible, especially as it would have cannibalized 3 & Y sales. So just kind of a disappointing rollout overall. I still love that they went left-field in the design department, but the current iteration just isn't quite for me yet. FWIW, everyone I know who owns one LOVES it & says everything about it just feels like the future, and that surprisingly, all of the Internet vitriol hasn't really translated out IRL; generally people think it's pretty wild & get excited to see it!

 

[Brovane]

Oh definitely a lot of it is the hype, But it's not because it came out and it's so great - we're talking about hype over years and building on a 1 million long reservations list with a lot of cult like worship along the way.

Right now if the Cyber truck lived up to a lot of its expectations, you would be waiting for delivery for one for ages still. The electric pickup market is still very small. The Cyber truck was Elon hype and cultism. It's not like it's beating a massive market.

I think overall this will be a giant flop for Tesla. I mean it kind of is already.

If Tesla is able to make and sell a BEV truck at a profit, is it a giant flop? How do you measure "giant flop for Tesla" based on metrics?

 

[MrSquished]

If Tesla is able to make and sell a BEV truck at a profit, is it a giant flop? How do you measure "giant flop for Tesla" based on metrics?

I don't think they're going to sell enough to make up for the product and development costs, not to mention the cost of having come out with a much better ev vehicle for the market vs the CT.

Time will tell

 

[manly]

If Tesla is able to make and sell a BEV truck at a profit, is it a giant flop? How do you measure "giant flop for Tesla" based on metrics?

The Model Y is one of the top 2 selling vehicles in the world?
Ford sells about 800k F-150 trucks in the U.S. annually.

It's far too early to know what becomes of the CT. I believe Tesla's ambition is for it to be a top-selling vehicle, but unlike the Y, its TAM is largely domestic. If they can sell 275k of them in 2027 and continue that trajectory, that's a success IMO. Under 150k annually several years from now is more or less a flop.

Note that Ford had big ambitions for the F-150 Lightning, but the demand just isn't there. At least for now, the good ole boys that buy pick up trucks have low interest in BEVs. If anyone can order a CT now without a reservation and receive it in 2 months, then Tesla seemingly has a demand problem. Canceling the $62k single-motor variant was a big mistake, but one they can eventually undo.

 

[Kaido]

The Model Y is one of the top 2 selling vehicles in the world?
Ford sells about 800k F-150 trucks in the U.S. annually.

It's far too early to know what becomes of the CT. I believe Tesla's ambition is for it to be a top-selling vehicle, but unlike the Y, its TAM is largely domestic. If they can sell 275k of them in 2027 and continue that trajectory, that's a success IMO. Under 150k annually several years from now is more or less a flop.

Note that Ford had big ambitions for the F-150 Lightning, but the demand just isn't there. At least for now, the good ole boys that buy pick up trucks have low interest in BEVs. If anyone can order a CT now without a reservation and receive it in 2 months, then Tesla seemingly has a demand problem. Canceling the $62k single-motor variant was a big mistake, but one they can eventually undo.

I think the F-150 needs a 500 or 600-mile battery for "truck people" to be interested. imo, it's THE best EV available on the market currently.

I think the CT was dampened out of the gate. Too expensive, too many design tweaks, meh range.

Curious how well the new VW EV Bu will sell. I want one!

 

[Brovane]

The Model Y is one of the top 2 selling vehicles in the world?
Ford sells about 800k F-150 trucks in the U.S. annually.

It's far too early to know what becomes of the CT. I believe Tesla's ambition is for it to be a top-selling vehicle, but unlike the Y, its TAM is largely domestic. If they can sell 275k of them in 2027 and continue that trajectory, that's a success IMO. Under 150k annually several years from now is more or less a flop.

Note that Ford had big ambitions for the F-150 Lightning, but the demand just isn't there. At least for now, the good ole boys that buy pick up trucks have low interest in BEVs. If anyone can order a CT now without a reservation and receive it in 2 months, then Tesla seemingly has a demand problem. Canceling the $62k single-motor variant was a big mistake, but one they can eventually undo.

That number 800k number isn't for just the F-150 it is for F-series. The F-150 is the most popular of that series, however Ford kind of puts everything together. https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-...rd-sales-numbers/ford-f-series-sales-numbers/

The big problem with the CT is that from a commercial sales perspective. Decades have been spent building various after market bodies that drop in on the back of F-Series trucks from tow trucks, flat beds etc. The CT is basically in compatible with those accessories. Which pretty much makes the CT a pavement princess which their is a market for those types of trucks in the US. Also the battery range is kind of disappointing for the CT. With the Chevy Silverado EV, they managed to put in a 200kwh battery in that truck. The CT needed the same thing to give it 400+ mile range.

 

[bbhaag]

I think the F-150 needs a 500 or 600-mile battery for "truck people" to be interested. imo, it's THE best EV available on the market currently.

I think the CT was dampened out of the gate. Too expensive, too many design tweaks, meh range.

Curious how well the new VW EV Bu will sell. I want one!

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IDK about the Buzz....it's kind of expensive starting at $60K and the top trim levels out right at $70K for a VAN. It has got the nostalgia factor going for it but talk about a dead market at least in the US anyway.

I just watched Jason Cammisas Icons video about it on Youtube and we will see if it helps bring VW back from the brink but I have my doubts.

On a side note I LOVE how every youtuber has to throw in the connection between VW and the Nazi party. Every time they do the back story on VW they insert this image of Hitler looking at the concept like it's mandatory or some thing and Hagerty was no exception.

 

[Kaido]

man idk

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[Kaido]

IDK about the Buzz....it's kind of expensive starting at $60K and the top trim levels out right at $70K for a VAN. It has got the nostalgia factor going for it but talk about a dead market at least in the US anyway.

I just watched Jason Cammisas Icons video about it on Youtube and we will see if it helps bring VW back from the brink but I have my doubts.

On a side note I LOVE how every youtuber has to throw in the connection between VW and the Nazi party. Every time they do the back story on VW they insert this image of Hitler looking at the concept like it's mandatory or some thing and Hagerty was no exception.
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I think the hippies giving the Beetle a new narrative post-Hitler is like, the greatest thing ever lol

I wish the EV Bus was more roundy like the old one. I think a $39k model would sell. $60k...you can get a LOT of car for $60k lol.

 

[manly]

I think the hippies giving the Beetle a new narrative post-Hitler is like, the greatest thing ever lol

I wish the EV Bus was more roundy like the old one. I think a $39k model would sell. $60k...you can get a LOT of car for $60k lol.

but you can't get a Cybertruck for $62k.

 

[Greenman]

but you can't get a Cybertruck for $62k.

You can get a base electric F-150 for that, but it doesn't have much range. It looks as though they don't even offer an 8' bed.

 

[WelshBloke]

Curious how well the new VW EV Bu will sell. I want one!

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There are quite a few of those in my work car park and one of my friends has one. She absolutely loves it.
Unfortunately all the ones at work are the wrong colours!

 

[Kaido]

Not bad for a triangle fridge on 35's lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851151135521870178

 

[WelshBloke]

Not bad for a triangle fridge on 35's lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851151135521870178

Who buys a sports car to go in a straight line?!

 

[sdifox]

Who buys a sports car to go in a straight line?!

Americans are obsessed with drag racing.

 

[WelshBloke]

Americans are obsessed with drag racing.

But the corners are the fun bits!

 

[sdifox]

But the corners are the fun bits!

look at NASCAR...

 

[WelshBloke]

look at NASCAR...

I try not to!

 

[WelshBloke]

Not bad for a triangle fridge on 35's lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851151135521870178

Heh. I looked some stuff up. That's a very specific situation for the Cybertruck to win.
If that's an Aventador (my supercar id skills are not great) it's top speed is >200 mph, it's 0-60 is 3 secs, and it will absolutely out manoeuvre a Cybertruck as it's a LOT lighter.
The only stat that the Cybertruck "wins" is 0-60, and I'dbe interested to know the range of a Cybertruck going flat out at a track.

In short, if you want something fast and fun the lambo is absolutely going "to smoke" the Cybertruck!

 

[Kaido]

Who buys a sports car to go in a straight line?!

All that matters is stoplight races against punk teenagers!

 

[Greenman]

Heh. I looked some stuff up. That's a very specific situation for the Cybertruck to win.
If that's an Aventador (my supercar id skills are not great) it's top speed is >200 mph, it's 0-60 is 3 secs, and it will absolutely out manoeuvre a Cybertruck as it's a LOT lighter.
The only stat that the Cybertruck "wins" is 0-60, and I'dbe interested to know the range of a Cybertruck going flat out at a track.

In short, if you want something fast and fun the lambo is absolutely going "to smoke" the Cybertruck!

For reasons that I don't understand, 0 to 60 times are a critical performance measurement. Personally, I always thought 60 to 0 times were far more important.

 

[repoman0]

Who buys a sports car to go in a straight line?!

Seriously. I do actual track driving regularly and you go from 0-60 exactly once per session, and it’s not even flat out. The rest of the time is 60-130 and far more importantly 130-60, and doing that repeatedly without cooking brakes and fluid.

Cars (performance cars at least) have been too fast 0-60 for public roads since the 90s and it’s really stupid that people think it’s a stat that matters.

 

[WelshBloke]

For reasons that I don't understand, 0 to 60 times are a critical performance measurement.

Which is baffling as its a truck!

 

[Greenman]

Which is baffling as its a truck!

It really is. My pickup is ten years old, the accelerator peddle has never once hit the floor. The tach has never hit the redline. There isn't any point, it's not a sports car, it's not a quarter mile machine, and the six ply tires on it are only rated for 90mph. When I wanted a thrill I rode my V-Rod.